Coronavirus Champions League - QF - DVG7 vs Himmanv
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Czibor never played LW in a 433
David villa certainly didn’t play his leak as the striker in a 433
Garrincha never played RW in a 433
my attackers are all playing roles they are used to, in a formation they are used to.
really baffled at any suggestion of my attack not functioning but somehow being able to picture himannvs being effective.
David villa certainly didn’t play his leak as the striker in a 433
Garrincha never played RW in a 433
my attackers are all playing roles they are used to, in a formation they are used to.
really baffled at any suggestion of my attack not functioning but somehow being able to picture himannvs being effective.
@Šjor Bepo , how do you feel about this?
Robben---------Messi
----------Dinho-----------
I think someone pointed recently that LWF Robben would work well in a Messi team and I seemed to agree .
A young Messi (2008), young Ronaldinho (2002) and the LWF Robben from 2014 WC?
Robben---------Messi
----------Dinho-----------
I think someone pointed recently that LWF Robben would work well in a Messi team and I seemed to agree .
A young Messi (2008), young Ronaldinho (2002) and the LWF Robben from 2014 WC?
much better, as i said i dont have problems with Dinho and Messi outside of Tiki Taka. Not sure you can get both at their best but its not hard to imagine them having a nice little partnership.
@Himannv here in lies your problem.This is a fair representation of players positioning if either busquets or koeman has the ball (which will happen often in this game). There are simply too many options to play the ball out, form triangles and one twos, which results in your midfields engine really not counting for much. If you had hard working defensive wingers things could be a little different, but when i have possession its difficult to see me giving it away needlessly given the quality on the ball everyone has except for godin.
That's a monstrous response to Barca's midfield to be honest, but with Beckenbauer mostly minding Messi (at least that's how I see it), Keane & Davids are going to be outnumbered. Also, while this set up highlights Garrincha's and Czibor's goalscoring (which sometimes gets underrated), I'd definitely prefer a better aerial threat centrally — even though GSTQ is going to respond to this with a question regarding the nature of Mane's crossing.
As for DVG's team, Koeman/Suurbier zone looks vulnerable (especially since it's Busquets holding and not someone like Keane who can cover out wide), and if you're going to pair Messi and Ronaldinho, I'd rather use a wing version of Messi. Godin, as usual, looks a bit out of place in such a system. I know that people don't really rate the likes of Ramos, and there are good reasons for that, but a defender like him, who, at his best, covers CB and LB positions in a high line, would be a better choice.
As for DVG's team, Koeman/Suurbier zone looks vulnerable (especially since it's Busquets holding and not someone like Keane who can cover out wide), and if you're going to pair Messi and Ronaldinho, I'd rather use a wing version of Messi. Godin, as usual, looks a bit out of place in such a system. I know that people don't really rate the likes of Ramos, and there are good reasons for that, but a defender like him, who, at his best, covers CB and LB positions in a high line, would be a better choice.
Not with Czibor there as well
Imagine this will be a 70/30 possession split as there's no way that team doesn't completely dominate the ball. That's a major platform for Ronaldinho and Messi to work their magic. Conversely, Himmanv's best opportunities will be in transition and on the break. Czibor and Villa fit well in that regard, Garrincha less so as he's prone to hang onto the ball for longer than necessary.
watch the first two and a half minutes. No collection of players is stopping that.
Went with Himannv earlier and DVG later. Pretty sure I will change it a couple more times at least
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Oh no they are back now
This one is too close for me, i'll probably decide it on keeper quality in the end.
I think the best way to get at my lot is a direct counter attack. As gio said, Garrincha isn’t the best for that as he liked to slow things down, and I don’t think villa has enough about him as a lone ST in a 433 to say he’d be really effective either.
czibor is hard to judge, from what I can tell there isn’t that much footage of him.
himannv can speculate but I think anyone would agree that possession will be largely in my favour, and I just don’t see his front 3 being able to get behind the ball effectively enough to help stop some of the magic my forward line will undoubtedly create. Even if you don’t agree with the tactical set up of my front 3, to think they won’t create openings and opportunities is blasphemy to the game.
Playing as a lone striker for Valencia, Villa has scored 4 goals in 4 games against defences featuring Diego Godin.
Prime godin came a long time after valencia villa. Moot point. But this does mean that you can pretty much expect bare minimum defensive help from your front three, which is suicide against a team that keeps possession as well as my side.
Agree it is not prime Godin, but it's not a moot point. David Villa has led the line for Valencia and Spain by himself at times. Torres did not always partner him and certainly did not parter him at his peak. He scores in the big games and at his peak he was probably the best goal scorer in Europe and his goal record clearly backs this.
Czibor will help out although I don't expect Garrincha to. As I said, I think Keane and Davids will stamp their authority on this and be on the heels of Xavi and Iniesta. They will not get the kind of time they would normally get to play their normal game.
Are you saying you'll have so much possession that we don't get any chances to attack at all. Not with our midfield IMO. Keane, Davids, and Beckenbauer will win the ball at some point and according to your tactics, Marcelo and Suurbier will be both out of position and you're prime for a counter attack. Koeman in particular will be vulnerable to a counter in my view and it's not Godin's game to play so far upfield.
I already covered the counter attack question, one of your outballs is garrincha (who would be more likely to demand the ball than anyone else, and if he's not doing this then you're limiting his impact on the game) who will slow the game down, not bomb towards goal. andif we compare atleticos backline average position on the field when they had prolonged posession, it wont be that far apart from what he would do in this game. It's being made out like godin cant come out his own 18 yard box or he gets exposed, that's nonsense, hes an extremely intelligent player who reads opponents to a very high level, his job is to defend, tackle, kick,get in the way and limit attackers movement. Whether in a pragmatic 442 or a tiki taka 433, he's still going to be able to do the thing hes renowned for...DEFEND.
Garrincha slowed down for his trickery after reaching the opposition box to beat his man/men and zip a cross in or go for goal himself. To say he will slow things down on the counters is absurd. It's not fifa where you never leave the sprint button.
he also never defended, ever. That's nuts against threepeat CL marcelo.
@Himannv answer honestly, if you won this game would you keep keane and davids in front of beckenbauer or switch to xaviesta?
Oh, and this, of course, somehow I overlooked this in my assessment. When Garrincha will get the ball (and it probably won't be very often), he's going to cut through this like a hot knife through butter.
Was that the same clip when he was talking about being subbed after making a "wrong" run to score a goal?
Some very good points there. I'd agree that his absolute strongest suit, his long passing, isn't that well-utilised in a tiki-taka system. I don't completely agree with the defensive critique, as slow defenders like Pique have thrived in the system and Koeman himself played in high lines for a lot of his career, but in general I just don't rate him that highly as a defender. This is one of my earliest memories of him:
and that sort of desperate, cynical fouling to compensate for his lack of pace/elite defensive nous was generally part of the package with him imo. Still a tremendous footballer, but not necessarily that easy to accommodate in drafts, and the back four here doesn't look good enough overall to compensate for his weaker areas.
That is some of the worst referring I have ever seen. It solidifies my view that if there is ever a clear goal-scoring opportunity stopped there should be a penalty irrespective of where it is on the pitch.Play them all.
Congratulations on the win @Himannv , that Beckenbauer replacing Pirlo move was an absolute masterstroke and you would have deserved the win even just for that. Wish I had not posted it in the main thread as it would have been even more gob smacking to have directly seen that in the match thread. I almost changed my vote again today but didn't care to as the game was already over.
@DVG7 , tough luck on the draw as you ran into an absolute Kryptonite of a midfield.
While you guys might have two of the best teams, you do get an F from the school headmaster for using the same tactics as last round.
@DVG7 , tough luck on the draw as you ran into an absolute Kryptonite of a midfield.
While you guys might have two of the best teams, you do get an F from the school headmaster for using the same tactics as last round.
@DVG7 sorry that you're out of it mate. Hang around though, would be keen to hear your thoughts on what I come up with using our combined squads.