Cop in America doing a bad job, again

There are two problems with most of these type of recorded incidents: firstly we rarely get the entire story or video of everything that happened, and secondly the people posting them already have agendas they want to pedal. That results in a warped narrative and people end up entrenched in the way they want to see the incident.
 
I'm sure you guys have some boots to lick for your afternoon snack.
 
You know, I hate the stories of cops abusing their power in situations like this, more than the ones where they shoot/kill someone.

Because these stories don't show up in the statistics, but these are the most hurtful & impactful situations that cause disarray between communities & police officers.

And they happen, all the time, and have been happening for decades.
Whatever you hippy. Police departments everywhere are committed to upholding community safety and cohesion by firing bad apples like Stephen Mader.
 
So much agenda in here. Beyond boring.

I'll leave you all with your little thread to bitch and moan. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall.

@Skizzo not sure how you do it pal. Wouldn't waste your breath.

Its beneficial in a way. After exercising patience in here, the next traffic stop is a breeze :)

I learned a while back that very few people in here want any kind of actual discussion. A few genuinely do, and have the ability to do so. Others just prefer whipping themselves into a frenzy. It’s funny that the constant narrative is “cops protect cops and can do nothing right”, when they don’t see the irony in constantly defending anything anti-cop no matter what.
 
Its beneficial in a way. After exercising patience in here, the next traffic stop is a breeze :)

I learned a while back that very few people in here want any kind of actual discussion. A few genuinely do, and have the ability to do so. Others just prefer whipping themselves into a frenzy. It’s funny that the constant narrative is “cops protect cops and can do nothing right”, when they don’t see the irony in constantly defending anything anti-cop no matter what.

I've noticed this. The thread isn't willing to engage in any meaningful discussion which makes it less interesting and appealing to post in. Quite ironic really.
 
It's quite staggering that anyone can defend the idea of trained officers punching a girl in the head. Twice.

What she might have done up to that point is frankly irrelevant. You can scream agenda til you're blue in the face, the bottom line is you're defending brutality.
 
Its beneficial in a way. After exercising patience in here, the next traffic stop is a breeze :)

I learned a while back that very few people in here want any kind of actual discussion. A few genuinely do, and have the ability to do so. Others just prefer whipping themselves into a frenzy. It’s funny that the constant narrative is “cops protect cops and can do nothing right”, when they don’t see the irony in constantly defending anything anti-cop no matter what.
I've noticed this. The thread isn't willing to engage in any meaningful discussion which makes it less interesting and appealing to post in. Quite ironic really.
meanwhile there's definitely nothing at all ironic about this exchange
 
It's quite staggering that anyone can defend the idea of trained officers punching a girl in the head. Twice.

What she might have done up to that point is frankly irrelevant. You can scream agenda til you're blue in the face, the bottom line is you're defending brutality.

No one is defending it but quite frankly many of the comments in here are ridiculous.
 
Who are you talking to here?

You & shatner primarily, since you find it justifiable for cops to punch people in the head, while they are being held down.

Then turn around and call everybody else ill informed.
 
There are two problems with most of these type of recorded incidents: firstly we rarely get the entire story or video of everything that happened, and secondly the people posting them already have agendas they want to pedal. That results in a warped narrative and people end up entrenched in the way they want to see the incident.
Very true.

I still want to punch that cop though.
 
There are two problems with most of these type of recorded incidents: firstly we rarely get the entire story or video of everything that happened, and secondly the people posting them already have agendas they want to pedal. That results in a warped narrative and people end up entrenched in the way they want to see the incident.

Videos, more often then not, do tell enough of a story to form an opinion as to what happened. Not always, but in most instances.
 
This is the current events forum mate. Get with it.

How about you stick to the thread topic being discussed then rather than trying to defend the actions by bringing in generalities?

Aside from this video let's just clear up a few things..

If a membe of the public was kicked and spat on would I expect them to stand and take it? No. I'd expect them to defend themselves, and if that meant punching someone in the face so be it.

Can a police officer punch someone in the face? Yeah. They can pretty much do whatever they want providing the use of force is reasonable, proportionate and necessary. That also includes the use of pre-emptive strikes.

I really wish people would stop generalising with comments like 'they can't do that' and 'they can't do this' when to make such a statement you have to know the FULL circumstances. It's rather silly and naive.
 
You & shatner primarily, since you find it justifiable for cops to punch people in the head, while they are being held down.

Then turn around and call everybody else ill informed.

Yeah well don't. Especially when you know nothing about me or what I have or haven't done.

The majority of you seemingly have no understanding of the law. This is obvious. I've not defended anyone specifically simply pointed out that comments such as 'cops can't punch people' are total fiction.

I've offered no specific opinion on the footage other than any opinion based on a clip of video has to be mindful of the full circumstances.
 
Casual reminder that there are good cops out there who do good for the community.

You have to put that in there, so people's feelings don't get hurt, you can't police the police, without getting policed.

:rolleyes:
 
Yeah well don't. Especially when you know nothing about me or what I have or haven't done.

The majority of you seemingly have no understanding of the law. This is obvious. I've not defended anyone specifically simply pointed out that comments such as 'cops can't punch people' are total fiction.

I've offered no specific opinion on the footage other than any opinion based on a clip of video has to be mindful of the full circumstances.

Ironically, i'm a lawyer.

So you shouldn't go around saying people have no understanding of the law.
 
Yeah well don't. Especially when you know nothing about me or what I have or haven't done.

The majority of you seemingly have no understanding of the law. This is obvious. I've not defended anyone specifically simply pointed out that comments such as 'cops can't punch people' are total fiction.

I've offered no specific opinion on the footage other than any opinion based on a clip of video has to be mindful of the full circumstances.

Ok well i dont speak for everyone but I personally don't care if the law can justify punching a girl in the head multiple times. It cannot be justified morally.

There are lots of laws that justify violent and inhumane treatment of others. That doesn't mean we cant have opinions of moral right and wrong.
 
Yeah well don't. Especially when you know nothing about me or what I have or haven't done.

The majority of you seemingly have no understanding of the law. This is obvious. I've not defended anyone specifically simply pointed out that comments such as 'cops can't punch people' are total fiction.

I've offered no specific opinion on the footage other than any opinion based on a clip of video has to be mindful of the full circumstances.

Why is the media making an issue out of this then since in your opinion the cops acted perfectly morally and within the law? Why is nobody from the police department going but guys we are allowed to punch people and you guys just need to have a better understanding of the law.
 
Ironically, i'm a lawyer.

So you shouldn't go around saying people have no understanding of the law.

At what point did I say you had no understanding of the law?

You simply waded in and began throwing insults around because you didn't like what I was saying. Very unprofessional allowing your own bias to influence opinion.
 
Why is the media making an issue out of this then since in your opinion the cops acted perfectly morally and within the law? Why is nobody from the police department going but guys we are allowed to punch people and you guys just need to have a better understanding of the law.

Where have I said that the cops in that video have acted perfectly morally and within the law?

I've offered no specific opinion of the video or officers, simply explained use of force and how punching can be acceptable as can pre-emptive strikes.

You all just jump in and start throwing insults around. As @Skizzo says, whipping yourselves up into a frenzy.
 
At what point did I say you had no understanding of the law?

You simply waded in and began throwing insults around because you didn't like what I was saying. Very unprofessional allowing your own bias to influence opinion.

'waded in' it's a forum we all 'wade in', that's the point.

You didn't have to say that I had no understanding of the law, but to throw out that 'the majority of you' don't when you don't know who is reading this thread - is very reckless, arrogant and ill-informed. To use your own words.

Also, what's unprofessional about my actions on a private forum? I'm not being paid.

Finally, what 'bias' am I using to influence opinion?
 
'waded in' it's a forum we all 'wade in', that's the point.

You didn't have to say that I had no understanding of the law, but to throw out that 'the majority of you' don't when you don't know who is reading this thread - is very reckless, arrogant and ill-informed. To use your own words.

Also, what's unprofessional about my actions on a private forum? I'm not being paid.

Finally, what 'bias' am I using to influence opinion?
no, see, thereligion is consistent on only posting in topics he has a thorough understanding of, thats why he is he so passionate about US law
 
'waded in' it's a forum we all 'wade in', that's the point.

You didn't have to say that I had no understanding of the law, but to throw out that 'the majority of you' don't when you don't know who is reading this thread - is very reckless, arrogant and ill-informed. To use your own words.

Also, what's unprofessional about my actions on a private forum? I'm not being paid.

Finally, what 'bias' am I using to influence opinion?

Wade in and offer some insightful discussion and opinion then, even professional perspective as both I and @Skizzo try to do. Don't start insulting people randomly (criticise the post not the poster remember) then claim not to be in the same bracket as some of the more ill informed as you're a lawyer

Pretty sure you're better than that.
 
Can a police officer punch someone in the face? Yeah. They can pretty much do whatever they want providing the use of force is reasonable, proportionate and necessary. That also includes the use of pre-emptive strikes.
he definitely isn't defending the officer though, it's just a coincidence that he posts things like this
 
he definitely isn't defending the officer though, it's just a coincidence that he posts things like this

You literally offer nothing to the discussion here so I'll pop you on ignore.

That was in response to comments that cops can't punch people. Again, just agenda posting.