Cop in America doing a bad job, again

calodo2003 said:
Blue Thunder & Knight Rider were also top notch.
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Knight Rider was the first in that afternoon block so we missed it as Grandparents had a strict "no tv while eating lunch" rule. Grandpa made Velveeta (thick sliced...mmmm) grilled cheeses on a griddle and grandma did homemade tomato soup. Finished up just in time for CHiPs at 1pm.

happy/sad now.
 
calodo2003 said:
Come on. What’s the downside?
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We did this in our tans and had the photographer photoshop the hair on for us.

It turned out well enough for us to follow it up with this the next year

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So much to unpack here, especially the laws just passed in Florida. Dwarfs are frightening, shouldn’t be elected officials.

Thankfully the protester is still alive...

 
calodo2003 said:
To add a bit more context...

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From relatively stupid helicopter shit to gunning down the person who actually called the cops because she felt threatened by the others, Columbus cops are a swell bunch...



e - 1:40 mark. Disturbing...

 
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calodo2003 said:
From relatively stupid helicopter shit to gunning down the person who actually called the cops because she felt threatened by others, Columbus cops are a swell bunch...

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hopefully they follow the lead of Brooklyn Center and release the body cam video ASAP. If they are claiming they felt in danger, well, prove it. Otherwise get gone.
 
WI_Red said:
hopefully they follow the lead of Brooklyn Center and release the body cam video ASAP. If they are claiming they felt in danger, well, prove it. Otherwise get gone.
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Why wait for body cam footage when you can just start a protest on scene and say it’s another unjustified shooting already?
 
Skizzo said:
Why wait for body cam footage when you can just start a protest on scene and say it’s another unjustified shooting already?
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Having seen the body cam footage what's the correct protocol in this situation?
 
Shamana said:
Having seen the body cam footage what's the correct protocol in this situation?
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Deadly force is authorized when deadly force is presented. In that situation he gives commands and gets ignored. The other option ive seen people suggest is using a taser, but they aren’t always reliable, so if you try that and it doesn’t get a good connection, then the other girl gets stabbed.
 
It’s a good job nobody in the UK ever pulls a knife with cops around, they’d be screwed without guns.
 
Rado_N said:
It’s a good job nobody in the UK ever pulls a knife with cops around, they’d be screwed without guns.
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Knowing feck all about policing in the UK, what would the UK police do instead in excatly this situation? Try an tackle the suspect? Taser?
 
fergieisold said:
Not sure if people have seen this, but good policing.

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This is different though, because this is the police being able to defend themselves and pacify the aggressor. In this other instance, she might have been a split second away from stabbing the girl in pink in the neck or cauing her grivious injuries. It's a far more volatile situation.
 
Saw the Ohio shooting. For this to happen in the midst of a verdict in the George Floyd trial...completely lost for words.
 
Skizzo said:
Why wait for body cam footage when you can just start a protest on scene and say it’s another unjustified shooting already?
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Every act of police brutality we continue to see has been unjust. Shock, horror- even resisting arrest shouldn’t result in death, but, whatever. I don’t expect anything less than for you guys to keep defending your thug colleagues.
 
Sara125 said:
Every act of police brutality we continue to see has been unjust. Shock, horror- even resisting arrest shouldn’t result in death, but, whatever. I don’t expect anything less than for you guys to keep defending your thug colleagues.
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Which is the case in everyone of these threads.

A poor attempt at pretending it’s a reasoned discussion but always with benefit of the doubt for the institution whilst the victim gets no such treatment.

Deadly force should be the last resort, not pull up to a scene with guns drawn.
 
Sara125 said:
Every act of police brutality we continue to see has been unjust. Shock, horror- even resisting arrest shouldn’t result in death, but, whatever. I don’t expect anything less than for you guys to keep defending your thug colleagues.
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I haven't watched the video.

But the poster you're replying to has said the victim shot was about to stab another member of the public.

Is shooting not justified in that instance?
 
arnie_ni said:
I haven't watched the video.

But the poster you're replying to has said the victim shot was about to stab another member of the public.

Is shooting not justified in that instance?
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I watched the video and she had a knife but it wasn’t clear that she was actually going to use it. I saw somewhere on twitter that she actually called the police because she was being jumped at her own house and the knife was to defend herself.
 
Sara125 said:
I watched the video and she had a knife but it wasn’t clear that she was actually going to use it. I saw somewhere on twitter that her mum(?) said she was being jumped and the knife was to defend herself.
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You didn't see the stabbing motion towards the pink girl? Did you see it in slow motion? It might be true that she had the knife to defend herself, but when the cops arrived at the scene you see her attacking 2 people with a knife. The whole thing looks a mess. The other dude kicks the first girl, who was attacked, in the the head, when she's down.
 
Shamana said:
You didn't see the stabbing motion towards the pink girl? Did you see it in slow motion? It might be true that she had the knife to defend herself, but when the cops arrived at the scene you see her attacking 2 people with a knife. The whole thing looks a mess. The other dude kicks the first girl, who was attacked, in the the head, when she's down.
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I’ve just seen a clearer version which has been slowed down. She does go for the other girl but I still think the officer could have used a non lethal force. He made no attempt to de escalate the situation. Didn’t even tell her to put the knife down just started shooting.
 
Sara125 said:
I’ve just seen a clearer version which has been slowed down. She does go for the other girl but I still think the officer could have used a non lethal force. He made no attempt to de escalate the situation. Didn’t even tell her to put the knife down just started shooting.
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How you descalate a situation when a stabbing attack happens a few seconds after you arrive at the scene? The only completely ideal action, I can see in that situation is to tackle the girl immidiately when she lunges at the first one.
 
Shamana said:
How you descalate a situation when a stabbing attack happens a few seconds after you arrive at the scene? The only completely ideal action, I can see in that situation is to tackle the girl immidiately when she lunges at the first one.
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That’s what I meant he could’ve de-escalated it by stopping her before she even lunged at the girl in pink. When she attempted to stab her he could’ve tazered her or gone for the legs at most if he had to shoot. Apparently officers are taught that if in extreme cases they *must* shoot, they should aim for the legs or shoulder area.
 
Sara125 said:
That’s what I meant he could’ve de-escalated it by stopping her before she even lunged at the girl in pink. When she attempted to stab her he could’ve tazered her or gone for the legs at most if he had to shoot. Apparently officers are taught that if in extreme cases they *must* shoot, they should aim for the legs or shoulder area.
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Just so you know, none of that last part is true.

The ridiculous gun culture, combined with poor training is the main cause of all this. The reason US officers have to act differently is because everytime a suspect reaches for something, they HAVE to assume its a gun. It's indoctrinated into them. And if they've made the decision that a suspect is going for a lethal weapon, they have to act with lethal force.

It's sad, awful, unfair but thats the issue.

Cops need far better training, and so do the public. The Washington Post did an awesome job putting together a database of police killings. Take a guess at what percent of victims were unarmed. I certainly found it surprising.
 
Seems clear from the footage that a person was about to be stabbed, when the officer shot the girl with the knife. Maybe he could have somehow deescalated before it came to this, but the situation seems like a complete mess from the beginning.. As others have said, tazers are not completely reliable, and the same goes for shooting at the legs. He has to make a really quick decision, and using his gun does not seem inappropriate in this instance.

In any case, this is not at all comparable to the incidents involving George Floyd, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown and others, and should not result in the same levels of outrage.
 
Sara125 said:
That’s what I meant he could’ve de-escalated it by stopping her before she even lunged at the girl in pink. When she attempted to stab her he could’ve tazered her or gone for the legs at most if he had to shoot. Apparently officers are taught that if in extreme cases they *must* shoot, they should aim for the legs or shoulder area.
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No when people's lives are in immidiate danger, deadly force is allowed.

Like some scenario's could have happened here.

1. Shoot the girl with a tazer when she's lunging a knife at the girl in pinks neck. It works and they are able to subdue her.

2. Tazer doesn't work and girl in pink gets stabbed. Perhaps dies or suffers injuries.

3. Alternatively girl in pink manages to evade the attack and the attacker gets tazered into submission.

Again it's a really tragic situation, but a extremely volatile situation where already a 2nd girl is being attacked with a knife immidiately after the 1st one and the police have to make a split second jugdement call.
 
I do not see how anyone can watch the footage and not accept that the girl in pink was in immediate danger of being stabbed.

In the video it appeared that the police has just arrived and there doesn't seem to have been any time for an attempt at de-escalation before it all kicks off.

From what Ive seen online there seems to be a rush to label this an unlawful killing, associate it with the guilty verdict and protest it as another black person shot by the racist cops for no reason but this one doesn't look like that to me from the footage available.
 
I have just seen the slowed down video and I am not so sure. That girl looks like she was about to stab the other girl.
 
Again I haven't watched it, I watched Floyd's and that was enough of me watching people die.

But if all that everyone said above is true, that the victim was just about to stab someone and yet people are still calling this an unjust shooting, does anyone ever worry at some point, police will be called and they'll just not ever do what they should do our of fear of backlash?

Is there a scenario where that cop second guesses himself, doesn't fire and then that member of the public actually gets stabbed? What then?
 
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