It's almost as if you have an inability to comprehend what I post.
Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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It's almost as if you have an inability to comprehend what I post.
To be fair. What you post about these issues is incomprehensible!
Justifiable or no? I say justifiable...
https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/17/houston-police-shooting-kills-hispanic-man/
https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/17/houston-police-shooting-kills-hispanic-man/
Sure if you don't try hard to read and understand. I can see why some struggle. Perhaps you can point out inconsistency where you see it instead of making glib comments.
Who said inconsistent.
Incomprehensible.
Incomprehensible - not able to be understood.
That is the very definition of your views on this topic. Preferring an outcome where the police survive over the criminals. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
I’m sure I could find plenty of other examples of consistently incomprehensible views from you
If only you all had the same attitude to guns, you wouldn't be in this mess.
I knew you wouldn't bother making a logical argument.
Is this SOP? Seems bizarre...
There were reports some days ago about them threatening media with arrest over loudspeaker, instructing them to leave. I didn’t really dig into it but it sounded troubling.
They have been dipping their foot in this water for a while now. They arrested, and then the DA charged, a reporting in Iowa this year. She won her case, but I think we are going to see more of this. LE and DA's liked it better when they could operate in anonymity.
Yeah but what happened before they laid down? Also why are they outside at that time of night??? Where are their parents?
These questions must be asked.
Wait for all the 2A thumpers to write off part of 1A.
Yeah but what happened before they laid down? Also why are they outside at that time of night??? Where are their parents?
These questions must be asked.
Also, you can't put yourself in their shoes. Sometimes a camera looks like a gun when you are improperly using your disco flashlight.
You can't judge their actions in hindsight, but those journalist, they should've had a massive neon sign above them to highlight whom they were..... possibly even printed out selfie photos beforehand and this may not have happened. I mean it's just common sense
Curious to hear how you differentiate the Ashli Babbitt killing when she was erroneously described as 16 years old v Adam Toledo’s killing.
Saying someone deserves to die is different from understanding why somebody did die. In both cases each died from their actions but what they truly deserved was justice. However the law allowed the LEO in each case to protect themselves when facing grave danger.
Do you have a problem with police being able to protect themselves when faced with immediate danger that threatens their life?
Do you have a problem with police being able to protect themselves when faced with immediate danger that threatens their life?
In only one case was the deceased actively disobeying orders when being shot.
Edit: To be clear, neither should be dead.
Do we both agree that a LEO should be legally allowed to protect themselves when their life is threatened?
No problem at all. Both results were consequences of their actions. I think threat assessment could be improved upon, though.
It’s the difference in exhortations I find curious.
If it is actually actively being threatened? Yes. If they think it is being threatened or are scared? Hell no. They don't get to guess.
Under no circumstance should Babbitt and Wright ever be compared. One was committing treason while the other was running away. One was abetting others in an attempted coup while ignoring multiple orders to cease, the other ultimately complied with an officer's request but was shot. FFS.
I'm on team @MrMarcello but I think you are confusing Wright with Toledo. Wright was struggling and trying to flee. He still should not have been tazed, much less shot though for gods sake.
Yes, wrong person. Wright definitely was attempting to flee (or whatever) but the circumstances are nowhere near the same as a person taking part in a coup. In fact, treason is punishable by death per 18 USC 2381, and the Secret Serviceman was protecting elected officials. Personally feel every one of those feckers storming the Capital should have been shot on the spot. Try storming a military installation and see how long they last before blasted with M4s and M16s.
There are certainly others that could be compared to Wright but Babbitt is on her own in this realm.
Yep, I'm there with you on @MrMarcello island. Except for the shoot them all part. I have become a pacifist in my old age so I would settle for life.
There's a white man that is sometimes brought up when another black man is killed by a cop. Cannot recall the name, think it happened in Dallas.
Explain please.
What is "actively threatened"? Is that a legal requirement for LEO response or perhaps something you have introduced to help your arguments?
I'm really only interested in the law here. We ask LEOs to "guess" all the time though.
The difference between the first quoted post & the second.
I can’t put them to the specific minute, but they seem to be similar response times from when the two incidents were seen in the media. Both posts seemed to come within a couple of hours of seeing the videos.
I'm less concerned about legality and more concerned about people not dying. When I lived in Alabama I could legally shoot you if you came on my property and I claimed I felt threatened. In the US it is basically legal (because less than 1% get convicted) for an LEO to shoot someone. If you are good with letting every single LEO be the arbiter of death than that is a position from which we can find no common ground.
Sticking to just the cases on tap, if the video evidence shows they are not in actual danger at the moment they pull the trigger than they are guilty of manslaughter at the least. I don't give a shit if they "feel" threatened. They do not get to kill us because of their feels, because if their feels govern them then they should find a career elsewhere. As I stated before, we have ceded a portion of our constitutional rights to LEO, but their side of the bargain is that they use them at all times judiciously[.
I do, I didn't own a pistol until I was 31 and I had to protect someone besides myself. Saying the "he's no angel" line is such [redacted]. A person doesn't have to be angel, to not die. Again, these cops aren't being drafted into their departments. This was their choice, their job, and they should be held to the highest standard REGARDLESS of their environment.
No no no, you are missing the point. Police get to kill anyone they want as long as they feel threatened as long as the person they shoot is not white. Don't believe me? Just turn on the news on any day that ends in a "Y".
you are not actually missing the point
Oooh you are right. When my friends and I got beat up by cops to figuring out why we couldn't get into a club in the Bay Area before gentrification, we were simply the wrong shade. They punch my friend in the back of the police car, and had an undercover cop bodyslam me unwarranted while I was recording while making sure I never saw my phone again. I was no angel so it's all good.
Good on them. I hope you learned you lesson Beyoncé (hoping this reference pulls through.....)
I find it difficult to understand why a major part of the conversation isn't about how a 13 year old has a gun. It's very casually accepted that it must not have been that difficult for him to get it somewhere.
The situation becomes murky when you take circumstances into account, yes. Difficult neighborhood, unusual time of night, lack of visibility, kid throwing the gun away in the split second he takes to put his arms up, the bias of the officers and self-preservation instinct kicking in, potentially overriding their training, etc. But why did the situation have to be so in he first place?
I'm not taking away from the tragedy of the situation or the complexity of it. It is heartbreaking that an unarmed teenager was shot and died.
I'm just saying, like most non-Americans would, that there's too many guns in America and that's bound to lead to situations like this very often.
Maybe next time the officer remembers this incident and doesn't shoot, but the kid panics and pulls the trigger. Maybe the cops get there too late and a 'good guy with a gun' gets the kid first. A lot of possibile situations, a lot of them resulting in harm, almost all of them negated if there's no fecking guns involved.
The situation becomes murky when you take circumstances into account, yes. Difficult neighborhood, unusual time of night, lack of visibility, kid throwing the gun away in the split second he takes to put his arms up, the bias of the officers and self-preservation instinct kicking in, potentially overriding their training, etc. But why did the situation have to be so in he first place?
I'm not taking away from the tragedy of the situation or the complexity of it. It is heartbreaking that an unarmed teenager was shot and died.
I'm just saying, like most non-Americans would, that there's too many guns in America and that's bound to lead to situations like this very often.
Maybe next time the officer remembers this incident and doesn't shoot, but the kid panics and pulls the trigger. Maybe the cops get there too late and a 'good guy with a gun' gets the kid first. A lot of possibile situations, a lot of them resulting in harm, almost all of them negated if there's no fecking guns involved.
I'm sure both are legal, so they're of course good and fine. If the cop perceived that the grandmother was about to use her glasses to bludgeon him to death then he should have killed her. We should thank him for his restraint.
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About the 13 yo - guns are legal and are hence familiar to the police. If someone complies with instructions and throws away his weapon and then gets shot that's on the police.
Posts? From whom?
I'm confused about what you are trying to say here so maybe lay it out for me?