That’s exactly my thinking as well
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That is not true. The government came up with an independent regulator to control things. So the govt has lot of hold on what footballing body can do.
Isn't independent the key word there?
In all seriousness, I'll wait to see them act upon the current Regine's owning Premier League clubs before I take it seriously.
City and Newcastle probably backed it.
City and Newcastle probably backed it.
Has no relevance to Qatar. They won’t be blocked
Yes you'd imagine the majority of their wealth is tied up in investments and even if it weren't no billionaire is going to splash out 15-20% of their fortune on buying a football club.
Granted that is if HBJ actually is worth £40+ billion which we can only speculate on.
I think expecting a football organisation to define what human rights are, attempt to investigate and prove any abuses and then create a legal basis of tolerance for ownership criteria of a football club is pretty out there personally. All they can really do is what the EPL have done and piggy back on something existing which blocks people buying other assets in the U.K. It has no relevance to Qatar, Saudi Arabia and UAE though as the U.K. government actively wants their foreign investment - they will only be added to such a list if relations turn sour.
Probably correct.
You're right, which makes the possibility of state involvement even more risky as international relations can change very quickly.
How would you define, in your list, the state of FIFAland, ruled by Infantino… and its UEFAland province ruled by Ceferin under Khelaifi/PSG Qatari’s monies and direction?
Yeh, I'm not expecting much from it but if it was worth the paper it's written on, nations like Qatar would certainly be of relevance.
They're associations.
Ahh so you do have an agenda then.
You’re constantly posting negative comments and regurgitating that you think it’s highly likely to get a reaction from people then use this argument.
I find it a bit odd I must say and it does feel like you, and a few others, are here on the wind up.
Ok, then: transnational associations (as written in their own statute) is one thing… supranational associations (behaving like states themselves, as your posts seem to imply) are a really different sort, pretty much out of the statute. Both are based in Switzerland and, as such, potentially liable to the Swiss government rule, in case things get sour and they become a nuisance.
Trade between sovereign states isn't some sort of seal of approval mate, nor does it mean that one of the states condones the actions of the other. For example Ukraine is still currently allowing Russia to transport Gas through it's territory and Russia is still paying Ukraine for this service. Despite them obviously being at war right now because one of them invaded the other.
So the UK buying and selling stuff to and from Qatar is meaningless in regards to anything else. And the Premier League being a private entity that is not state controlled is even further removed from that.
We also bought oil from Russia, albeit far less than other European nations. But would we allow a Russian with connections to the Russian State to own a Premier League club right now?
We are also trying, and failing mostly, to move away from oil and gas. They claim it's for environmental reasons, and I am sure that is one of the reasons, but another is having to deal with unsavoury nations who have the ability to hold us all to ransom.
In Qatars defence, they distanced themselves from OPEC a few years ago which is why they now benefit from the likes of the UK being big customers. Quite a clever strategic move tbh.
I just don't see how trading a still vital resource like gas prevents us from being able to criticise them. Nor why us selling them weapons, which history tells us has the potential to come back and bite us one day means we can't criticise them.
They don't really they're setting up an independent regulator, if they were directly exerting a lot of control on the PL/FA then there's a good chance England would be banned from International football. As government interference in football at a national level is against FIFA rules.
Yeah we can all agree they are the worst by a country mile whether you are backing Jassim/Ratcliffe's bids
Qatar is a small country were everything is pretty centralised. Good luck persuading the Al Thanis that its ok for the UK to buy their oil, their gas and for them to invest in the UK but its not ok for the ruling family to own the club they like because, well, they are horrible monsters and all.
Qatar invests in UK and govt is ok with it. But then when they invest in a football club, then suddenly it is not ok. The resistance to Qatar (or Saudis for that matter), due to human rights, is pretty selective.
Yeah I would but can't see him doing that
All arguing about something that’s gonna be of no relevance to the bids, City or Newcastle
Looks great in the PR releases though.
Looks great in the PR releases though.
The world is a horrible place and football should never delve into politics. I agree that there's a European wide ban on state ownership because as said football and politics shouldn't mix. However it should apply to everyone (including those already owned). Its also stink of hypocrisy considering the UK's history (even the recent one in Iraq) which caused far more deaths then Qatar would ever dream of causing.
Wish this won't be problem for Qatar takeover if they are the successful bidder.
If not need to remove the Abudhabi's and Saudi's and strip Chelsea and City of their titles.
If not need to remove the Abudhabi's and Saudi's and strip Chelsea and City of their titles.
I am praying they both get desperate now
In the hypothetical scenario that the Premier League clubs decided that a Qatari bid for United should be blocked. Then it would just be a case of tough shit for the Al Thanis as that would be a decision made my an independent body that is a collective of private football clubs. The UK government wouldn't be part of that decision nor could they do anything about it.
Nor are Qatar likely to stop selling the UK gas just because they can't buy an English football club.
Indeed these new rules will likely not change anything.
What the government is ok with and what the public is ok with are often at odds.
Yes Qatar invests in the UK. So does Saudi, Russia, China and many other questionable nations. Again I see no reason why that should prevent us from asking questions.
That's the POV of a British citizen (I presume). It might not be the POV of these people. I don't know Qatari people but I do know alot of Arabs and they tend to be generous but proud people. A slight like that will sting like a slap in the face. Would they stop selling gas to the UK? I doubt it. However I won't be surprise if investment in the UK will be greatly reduced. Also watch up the price of gas soaring
This is likely to be the case but I do wonder what those hoping for Qatari ownership would think if this actually forced City and Newcastles owners to sell up because their owners were banned.
Many here feel that the only way to compete with these States is to join them, so in the hypothetical scenario where those owners were banned, would they have they same appetite for Qatar?
Qatar are not going to hold the UK to ransom over buying Manchester United.
Lets base this conversation in some grounds of reality.
Which brings me back to dealing with countries who are happy to hold us all to ransom.
Also, I don't think I would want United owned by people who had the ability to cause serious economic damage of we upset them. Though I'm willing to give the Qataris the benefit of doubt and assume they aren't that petty.
No, but the only way you are gonna see a Newcastle or City owners removed is when a club with the potential to abuse wealthy owners without circumventing the rules is in the process of being bought.
Same people that let us get bought by the glazers then decided post takeover you shouldn't be allowed to do that, so wouldn't surprise me if there was to be a serious change of footballer ownership it would come just at the cusp of us being sold.
We are talking about disqualification of a business deal based on human rights, not about criticizing it on caf.
To be fair the thought of United + Qatar must be terrifying for other clubs.
If you think this will apply to Qatar and Manchester United, I have a bridge to sell you. They just had a world cup there FFS. Qatar will run the game in the next decade.
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