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I prefer the new stadium option myself. The Costs rumoured for the redevelopment are eye watering and all its doing is kicking the can down the road again. Eventually a new stadium is going to be needed.

If we can build a 90,000 seater at the side of the existing ground then that's my choice.
 
stevoc said:
Excuse me? What exactly is a lie?
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Your comment.

Firstly, PSG are one of the biggest clubs, you dont attract Neymar, Mbappe, Messi if you are not.

You said they have owned PSG for 12 years and that guarantees nothing but prior to the Qatari's buying PSG, they were struggling, they got to the group stages of the CL in 2004. Since the takeover, they have been regulars in the knock out stages, reaching Semis and finals.
 
romufc said:
Your comment.

Firstly, PSG are one of the biggest clubs, you dont attract Neymar, Mbappe, Messi if you are not.

You said they have owned PSG for 12 years and that guarantees nothing but prior to the Qatari's buying PSG, they were struggling, they got to the group stages of the CL in 2004. Since the takeover, they have been regulars in the knock out stages, reaching Semis and finals.
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Yea they had 2 French League titles in their entire history before the takeover.

Now they're tied for the most ever in French football with Saint-Etienne at 10.

They overtook the dynastic Lyon teams of the 2000's rather quickly and have firmly established themselves as the giants of France on the continent after being nowhere near the sort prior to QSI.

No one else in France qualifies and makes CL runs as regularly as them now, not even close
 
Rolaholic said:
Yea they had 2 French League titles in their entire history before the takeover.

Now they're tied for the most ever in French football with Saint-Etienne at 10.

They overtook the dynastic Lyon teams of the 2000's rather quickly and have firmly established themselves as the giants of France on the continent after being nowhere near the sort prior to QSI.

No one else in France qualifies and makes CL runs as regularly as them now, not even close
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Yep. I find it interesting that fans think PSG always won the league before QSI and were this power house of a club and have achieved nothing since... its anything but really.

Every club that has been taken over by the middle east, looking at the football club on its own, have all shown progress and a way of operating.

PSG and City owners came in and splashed the cash, since then, its been organic growth, City are now on less net spend than us.
 
Rightnr said:
Ratcliffe is not cash rich, you're just demonstrating your lack of knowledge there. And even if he was, he doesn't seem like someone who wants to actually spend his own money on the project. The guy is already talking about doing things slowly and yet you gloss over that point.

As for Raine making sure he's got liquidity, their only mandate is making maximum cash for the rats, so there we go again with your naivety.

And it's not me who's biased in favour of a given bid, it's you because you want a certain type of owner (that only exists in your head). My only bias is towards United being successful in the future and living in the real world.
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I didn’t say cash rich, I said liquidity. It doesn’t matter if that is debt financed, he has the assets to secure that debt without it affecting the club. Being cautious and prudent is no bad thing.

Raine are tasked with getting the best price for the club yes, so that unlikely to be anybody who doesn’t have the means to complete a deal.

Ironic you say I’m naive and lack knowledge, when that is an obvious fundamental.
 
romufc said:
Your comment.

Firstly, PSG are one of the biggest clubs, you dont attract Neymar, Mbappe, Messi if you are not.

You said they have owned PSG for 12 years and that guarantees nothing but prior to the Qatari's buying PSG, they were struggling, they got to the group stages of the CL in 2004. Since the takeover, they have been regulars in the knock out stages, reaching Semis and finals.
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Ah right so this is a case where you haven't actually bothered to read someone's post properly or the post they're replying to before jumping in and calling them a liar.

No where in my post did I say PSG aren't a big club.

No where in my post did I even remotely imply that PSG were just as successful pre Qatar as they have been post Qatari ownership. That part you've completely pulled out of your arse.

I was replying to this comment:

Whether they get United or end up getting another club, I can see that club soon becoming the most formidable club in the World. Especially United, who'd be able to outspend any club in the World debt-free anyway.
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So are PSG the most formidable club on the planet?

No they are not, so as I said being owned by Qatar and having all the money in the world doesn't Guarantee that you will become the most formidable team/club on the planet.
 
romufc said:
Your comment.

Firstly, PSG are one of the biggest clubs, you dont attract Neymar, Mbappe, Messi if you are not.

You said they have owned PSG for 12 years and that guarantees nothing but prior to the Qatari's buying PSG, they were struggling, they got to the group stages of the CL in 2004. Since the takeover, they have been regulars in the knock out stages, reaching Semis and finals.
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Call me whatever you want, but PSG are not, and will never be one of the biggest clubs in football. There not even one of the biggest clubs in France. They attracted those players because of money, no other reason whatsoever. Notice most of their top players are South American? South American players don't tend to have loyalty to clubs in Europe, but you don't see top English players, German players or Spanish players playing for PSG in their prime because those players want to go to big European teams, which PSG is not.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Ah so Sir Jim’s INEOS bid DOES involve clearing the Glazers debt, just as Sheik Jassim’s does. Good that this piece of mis-informed half truth can now die.

Thanks for posting.
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I haven’t read the article but does it say how?
SJR I believ was suggesting to dissolve the debt into INEOS which would eventually need to be paid off.

Whereas Jassim would pay it out of capital?
 
Strootman's Finger said:
Call me whatever you want, but PSG are not, and will never be one of the biggest clubs in football. There not even one of the biggest clubs in France. They attracted those players because of money, no other reason whatsoever. Notice most of their top players are South American? South American players don't tend to have loyalty to clubs in Europe, but you don't see top English players, German players or Spanish players playing for PSG in their prime because those players want to go to big European teams, which PSG is not.
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The reason you dont see top players playing there in their prime is because of the league. Can you name me top English, German or Spanish players in their prime that play for the other "bigger clubs" in France?
 
Plant0x84 said:
Ah so Sir Jim’s INEOS bid DOES involve clearing the Glazers debt, just as Sheik Jassim’s does. Good that this piece of mis-informed half truth can now die.

Thanks for posting.
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I could be wrong but I interpreted that as both Qatar and Ineos are bidding with the debt in mind. And by that I mean they are subtracting the debt from their bids.
 
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romufc said:
The reason you dont see top players playing there in their prime is because of the league. Can you name me top English, German or Spanish players in their prime that play for the other "bigger clubs" in France?
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You made my point for me, it's a mickey mouse league. And within this mickey mouse league PSG is a relatively new club with not a huge amount of history or traditional support.
 
stevoc said:
I could be wrong but I interpreted that as both Qatar and Ineos are bidding with the debt in mind. And by that j mean they are subtracting the debt from their bids.
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That is how I read the situation as well, but Qatar have bid a few hundred more. Given all the movement around Qatar, I assume they are the front runners.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Ah so Sir Jim’s INEOS bid DOES involve clearing the Glazers debt, just as Sheik Jassim’s does. Good that this piece of mis-informed half truth can now die.

Thanks for posting.
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That information came from their own press release. They were very careful to say no fresh debt.
 
Safe to say Laurie and co will not be tier 1 post this takeover , their coverage has been nothing short of scandalous and heavily skewed to one side with nothing but idealistic dreams and fairytale endings as their driving force.

I think it would have been noted and most likely they will either be blacklisted or heavily restricted if Jassim takes over.

Pissing about and find out basically.

Silly from the off and then backing it up on the overlap with some childlike dreams was really eye opening.
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Safe to say Laurie and co will not be tier 1 post this takeover , their coverage has been nothing short of scandalous and heavily skewed to one side with nothing but idealistic dreams and fairytale endings as their driving force.

I think it would have been noted and most likely they will either be blacklisted or heavily restricted if Jassim takes over.

Pissing about and find out basically.

Silly from the off and then backing it up on the overlap with some childlike dreams was really eye opening.
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Hmmm still think they will be for transfers
 
Cloud7 said:
Everytime a story drops the asking price seems to go up. Before it was flat 6 billion GBP, how is it now a range of 6-8 billion GBP
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Knowing what greedy feckers are then wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if this is accurate
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
Safe to say Laurie and co will not be tier 1 post this takeover , their coverage has been nothing short of scandalous and heavily skewed to one side with nothing but idealistic dreams and fairytale endings as their driving force.

I think it would have been noted and most likely they will either be blacklisted or heavily restricted if Jassim takes over.

Pissing about and find out basically.

Silly from the off and then backing it up on the overlap with some childlike dreams was really eye opening.
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They will have the red carpet rolled out as part of the PR campaign, part of the reason that City avoided scrutiny for so long was by having members of the media wowed by their whole set up and ensuring that they had access and a nice spread at every game (unlike journalists at Old Trafford currently who repeatedly whinge about the mediocre catering and poor wifi).

There's also nothing wrong with being opposed to state ownership, it shouldn't be supported and it's not good for the league if the biggest club (or any club) are owned by a state and it's not like Whitwell or the Athletic have gone particularly far with their views.
 
Bloomberg reported the Qataris put in a £5b bid. Will be interesting to see what they all settle on. I'm guessing £5.43b. Based on my experience of takeovers.
 
So are the Glazers looking for £6bn total? Or is £6bn the asking price when factoring in debt etc?
 
LawCharltonBest said:
So are the Glazers looking for £6bn total? Or is £6bn the asking price when factoring in debt etc?
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If I had to put money on it I'd say they want £6b and the new owners to pay off the debt. The cnuts probably want to walk away without having to pay a penny of their debt off.
 
stevoc said:
I mean Qatar have owned PSG for 12 years and that isn't the case, money in itself doesn't guarantee anything.
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PSG have been better ran and more successful that Man Utd over the same period.

PSG would still win the EPL if they were here as Man Utd fights for Europa slot.

Man City is the equivalent of PSG in the EPL.
 
Kinsella said:
I wouldn’t bother much. This is the Qatar cheerleader thread.
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Sorry I mistakenly thought that this was a thread for discussing the sales process specifically...

Others sharing their personal opinions on who they may favor doesn't make them cheerleaders for any party necessarily, we're all here to discuss the news made available to us and people are simply going off of the reality of things and what's been reported.

We already have other threads specifically for any moral crusades and discussions surrounding the ethics/societal dynamics of the potential new owners if that's more towards someone's focus
 
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