Nobody but does it matter? Hysteria and hyperbole are the foundations of this thread
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It is political though, it is not ‘made’ political or infused with politics. A representative of the ruling family of a dictatorship wants to control and use Man United for political purposes. This is a pretty clearcut fact, and not something you or I can ‘take out of it’.
We can try to forget it, try to avoid seeing it or try to minimize, twist or deceive ourselves about it. What the Al Thani’s wants to do with the club will still remain what we call political, however, won’t it? So how to relate to that fact?
Why would you think I was interested in discussing this with you? I know you disagree, I know neither of us are going to change our minds. I responded to your absolutely moronic charge that I'm not a fan, that's it.
Nobody but does it matter? Hysteria and hyperbole are the foundations of this thread
well, yes, that's my point. it''s ridiculous frankly.
And did all the morally outraged boycott the World Cup? Or were they in fact cheering on England in the quarter final despite their principals?
We should encourage change rather than say, you believe in this so I cant deal with you. I am not happy for a state to own football clubs. Right now it looks like we have 3 options. Stick with Glazers, Qatar or INEOS correct?
So, you cannot also be hypocritical either. Right, so why are we happy with Addidas sponsorship and them making our football shirts when they are spending that money on advertising, sponsorships etc.. when they could be paying their workers in Asia and improving their working conditions?
I would like to see the same energy for everything.
This is a discussion forum in case you hadn't noticed - if you are going to make extreme and ridiculous statements then be prepared to be questioned on it
Anyone who thinks bankruptcy and relegation are a preferable option is not a Manchester United fan in my eyes, as it's quite obvious that is not in the interests of the club on any level
I think we all need to respect each other’s opinions and views and just let the Qatari’s in. Bring back the good times.
Let me ask you a question? What political gain have the City owners got from owning Man City?
If you are unaware, Qatar and UK have signed up to 45bn deal for investment and all sorts, how is purchasing Manutd helping them politically when they are already there?
Alright, I'm blocking you now so we don't repeat this in the future.
Where have you seen that HBJ is the richest man in Qatar? I would be very sceptical about that.
edit - Forbes list him as a worth of 1.3b dollars. I’d say he’s far from the richest. Very well connected however.
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The only embarrassing thing is that you don't know basic maths.
Let me make it clear for you; 16 is a lot smaller than 84. alright?
Why do the research when there seems to be experts on the subject posting here already?
I think it was a parody of this gem yesterday
Which in itself was probably a really good piss take
There is nothing working class about top level premier league football anymore, someone has to say it.
Qatar or not they were shoved to the side well before any of this let’s be honest instead of projecting whose the closest to a moral Angel.
Qatar or not they were shoved to the side well before any of this let’s be honest instead of projecting whose the closest to a moral Angel.
Has anyone figured out what the source of the money is in the Qatari bid given that the son clearly isn't remotely wealthy enough on his own to buy United and yet he rather flamboyantly boasts it will buy the club outright and invest in new stadium infrastructure. And yet there's little to no credible information on who is behind the so called Nine Two Foundation.
You did make some good points, but generally speaking homophobia is universally the wrong way no matter what any written law says. It’s not something that we should accept under the guise of “cultural differences”.
@Regulus Arcturus Black what do you make of this? Do you believe that Ineos can afford to buy United at the price quoted?
This is what is most confusing about people insisting it's not a state bid but still supporting it. How can a guy who isn't wealthy enough bidding through a company that doesn't exist be the best option?
When Chelsea was up for sale there was a Saudi consortium that was boasting they would bring a bid that would be bigger than others. Reine required all bidders to turn over financial information to show where the money was coming from and they refused to share their financials. I think when it gets to this stage, it will be known if they have the money to make it happen.
I remember paying a quid to watch from the stands.
QIA, QIB and QIC
Would be a lot easier if you just admitted that you went too far and you don't actually believe that
But whatever works for you
It seems like a poor attempt at concealing the obvious, which is that this is little more than a state backed attempt to buy United.
Better and truer.
Just a small thing but I looked back on the Raine Chelsea sale timeline
I know their sale is different to ours for many reasons, but their 'soft deadline' was also a Friday evening and then Raine Group announced a shortlist of 3 bidders the following Friday.
So if they do the same with us, they might release a shortlist tomorrow. But again, I know it's different and not as rushed for us (as far as we know)
I know their sale is different to ours for many reasons, but their 'soft deadline' was also a Friday evening and then Raine Group announced a shortlist of 3 bidders the following Friday.
So if they do the same with us, they might release a shortlist tomorrow. But again, I know it's different and not as rushed for us (as far as we know)
Anyone else heard about the Qataris withdrawing?
I found this bit interesting....
https://qz.com/qatar-bid-manchester-united-glazer-jim-ratcliffe-ineos-1850136144
Source ?
There seems to be a lot of in-depth knowledge about Qatari society here. I was just wondering what their approach to birth control was.
Lot of factual errors. Records doesn't show QIA owning 50%. Jassim's father was never the Emir, nor is Jassim the current Emir's brother.
Terrible journalism in that case, which is odd given that they are usually reliable.
United under the Glazers sure wasn't anymore. For years the fans buying tickets and merch financed a multi-billionaire family with that. Under the Qataris the money would at least stay in the club.
Yeah that is poor, there are enough connections with the state but those aren't accurate. I guess they do emphasise how little information there is about the guy bidding, it's mad that even the people close to the bid couldn't confirm his age or whether he's married.
Unless it is done in purpose to mislead the gullible.
Sorry, but no true fan would ever want their club to go into bankruptcy.
Yahtzee! We have a winner! You answered your own question.
Given the figures attributed to Sheik Jassim and his Dad (HBJ) even between them they don’t have enough to fund the purchase - let alone the infrastructure improvements. The bid is absolutely a state buyout distanced just enough to get around dual ownership rules.
I feel like every few pages there is a weird post like this where clearly no one has said this but it's some sort of veiled accusation at others. It derails the thread until it slowly gets back to a discussion until someone else posts
"Why don't you just admit you want gay people to die" and we start again. I find it pretty silly
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