Yet he did hide those views. And then, by a crazy coincidence, he chose to publish those views in an article defending Qatar. Because of Chappelle? Because of the Tories? Or, maybe, just maybe, because of United.
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Yet he did hide those views. And then, by a crazy coincidence, he chose to publish those views in an article defending Qatar. Because of Chappelle? Because of the Tories? Or, maybe, just maybe, because of United.
I can imagine they would make a lot more money investing the payout than they would keeping a stake in the club. Like I said, from what I've seen reported they seem to enjoy being owners of something so prestigious, even if they're hated for it.
Did he or did he not have a chance to write about it before?
I’ll post you the same link. Think the Tories are doing this because they think it’ll lose them votes?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/50...ship-rishi-sunak-penny-mordaunt-trans-rights/
I imagine they would if no party meets their valuation. So it depends on how serious they are about the reported £6b price they've set.
This is totally irrelevant and spectacularly misses the point, nobody denies that sections of the UK are bigoted, but the Man Utd fan base is pretty explicitly anti-Tory and haven't been an avenue for transphobes to express their views previously.
I refuse to accept that you simply don't understand the damage transphobia from your own community which you've previously felt safe in is damaging.
If everyone sends me their WhatsApp I'll start a group chat and do a poll on there too.
That's the damned point.
He never had the chance before, now he does and it's in a widely circulated fan publication. Do you not see how that is harmful to some members of the United community?
A transphobe who is too afraid to be transphobic is less harmful to the trans community than one who feels like he can express his views openly and until Friday that was the case in the mainstream United community.
That's the fecking point!
I need to chat to a sane and knowledgeable poster. My question is:
Do United earn enough money to cover a massive loan to upgrade the stadium and training facilities, and also invest in the different teams if we don't have the current Glazer debt repayments?
I'm trying to figure out if we actually need Qatar. How strong are our financials really?
Do United earn enough money to cover a massive loan to upgrade the stadium and training facilities, and also invest in the different teams if we don't have the current Glazer debt repayments?
I'm trying to figure out if we actually need Qatar. How strong are our financials really?
I think this is the crux of it. If they can get the figure that meets the valuation they have in mind they will go. However if bidders are a billion or two short in their eyes I can see them holding out and just taking investment and seeing where things are in a few years.
That being said, this is a great time for them to sell when you consider the economic situation and uncertainty around the future
What the feck kind of stretch is this post?
Level of manipulation is epic. Oh this thread, it is the saddest thing for long time. Between shills, rival fans, and plastic craven 'fans', without any sense of what the club is about. They want Mbappe, ffs. It's especially depressing because it was just starting under ETH to be about football again, wonderful exciting, team football. It had somehow seemed to shift away from being out and out commercial, as LVG observed. Maybe it was because they wanted to sell, and thus needed some results to boost the shares. Who knows?It's a bit shocking how many on here now that a bid is real have changed to the stance "why should we turn them down when no one else would" or gems like "I'm sure Ratcliffe has done immoral things as well, they are all the same" or my favorite "You can't punish all people of Qatar for the actions of their government" as if the people of Qatar are the ones buying us.
I am not naive, I hope, I always had a kind of positive feeling about the Caf; there was a kind of learning curve in the fanbase, there was the mods who kept things in check and kept up standards. And there was humour. There was still, now and again, flashes of some of the soul of Manchester United. The soul is still there; you can feel it at matches, as you walk down to the ground, and chat to people. And not just local people, people from all over the world. It is there in the players, in Bruno and in the likes of Rashford these days, people happy to run themselves into the ground; you know it means more than money to them. It means something to a lot of people.
On the PR front these days, its super intense, as might be expected; so much money at stake. The pretend game of 'the Glazers might stay' is a PR strategy designed to make the Quatar bid more palatable for United fans. That is all. Who knows what will happen, but if the Quataris come in, the vibe around Old Trafford will not be pretty.
On a positive front, good statement from MUST. But I admit it. I feel like a man shouting in a storm.
Still I will shout. No. No. No. No to state ownership for Manchester United FC.
Aw, they've hurt the Glazers' feeling.
Shame they didn't care about fans' feelings when they ruined this great club with their pet investment banker.
And to see some say they'd prefer them to stay... Puke-worthy
Whoever are the new owners, I hope we retain our values of developing young talent for the first team.
They definitely will if the offers don't meet the minimum price they set in their minds.
They don't care about the hate towards them.
If @Wumminator put half the effort into campaigning for the poor people of Qatar than he does quoting people on here there would be peace in the Middle East by now.You seem to be trying to insult me every chance you get. You do you but I genuinely don’t care what you think of me
Your obsession is borderline bizarre
Bruno was about to go Spurs mate and Rashie's agent was on the phone to PSG.
Some of these tirades are pathetic.
I think we will, you had INEOS saying they wanted to put the 'Manchester because into Manchester United' and the Qatari's are using a fund they've called "the class of 92" fund to make the bid. Both seem to be keen on keeping the heritage it seems.
One could argue it's the people keeping him in a job on that front that are the real problem
Well obviously, if it was said it's a minority view and clearly nonsense. The reason I asked was because I've seen a lot of people in favour of the Qatar bid post about it as if it was a prevailing narrative while I've seen no one actually say it.
Seen it mentioned enough times
Well done on giving scumbags an excuse to act like scumbags. You’re acting like it wasn’t their fault and Qatar made them post whatever shite they did.
You're wilfully ignoring that previously Stretty News wasn't a platform for transphobes and now under the guise of promoting the Qatari bid it is. There's no escaping that.
Not everyone agrees, nor do they have to. This really shouldn’t be the drama it’s being made into…
Reasons things happen aren't "excuses". You've been a member since Jan 2010, which means you're at least 13 years old, this is not something someone on the internet should have to explain to you.
In this thread? I must have missed it. Can you point me in the general direction?
Not everyone agrees on what?
And it's one of the few things that absolutely should be "drama".
Who knows what made that person use the language they did. Maybe they’re just a cnut. Have you considered that?
Not everything is related to or beats a direct connection to Qatar.
I don’t really think personal insults are useful either. Keep it civil…
Pretty much any topic really.
It seems every other club has managed to do it so I don’t see why not. Does it come with some financial pain and will it impact upon our transfer spending capability in the future? Yes.
Probably involves us selling naming rights for the stadium though, like everybody else seems to have done.
With the glazers it’s still doable, but the current debt will make the pain worse.
Depends on how you look at it. We've got reliable cashflow and in theory we could still borrow to fund stadium upgrades whilst investing in the team. It's likely that it would be on unfavourable borrowing terms given the current climate. So it could still be done but would likely result in a tightening of the transfer budget.
I've always been surprised that the Glazers never tapped into the stadium naming rights. Maybe not in a full blown way that Arsenal have done, but something where Old Trafford was prefixed with a sponsorship would bring in substantial money
What’s going on in here
It’s not a platform now? You’re overdoing one weak example.
Can you give me an example when they could have addressed LGBTQ matters before this? You’re making it out as if they’ve been hiding it away all these years.
If everything is state this and state that then a UK publication is a reflection of the UK mindset rather than Qatar right? Or are we changing the rules mid way through here?
Surely the ruling government being anti trans is a bigger factor for emboldenment than Qatar planning a takeover?
This his what they’re actually living with
https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-c...anti-trans-crusade-destroy-the-united-kingdom
How is this Qatars fault? Surely it’s a reflection of what we’re already living with? Why would the writer be ashamed of airing anti trans viewpoints before this?
Edit I’ll stop here were just going around in circles. There will be better examples to come that you can point to than this
He is a hypocrite. He gladly take his paycheck signed by Saudi Arabia every month.
Maybe it was the INEOS bid that made him get brave?
How do we know that Ratcliffe doesn't hate gay people?
I've never seen a topic on whuch everyone agrees and I doubt I ever will!
Exactly.
No, no it’s not.
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