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“Sure I’ve completely changed my tune and completely shifted to the opposite view and then spent five pages insulting people with the view I had 6 months ago, but that’s in the past now let’s move on.”
I already replied, so I won’t repeat myself again.
“Sure I’ve completely changed my tune and completely shifted to the opposite view and then spent five pages insulting people with the view I had 6 months ago, but that’s in the past now let’s move on.”
City cheated, (and we all knew it) there's a big difference.
Once we get our house in order in terms of quality and depth in the squad we won't be needing more than 1-2 additions per summer. Build and improve the infrastructure, facilities, academy, scouting network etc. and we won't need to spend money like water on players every year.
I’ve monitored and read (& laughed) at this thread for days/weeks now, without getting involved, because it usually turns into a shit show of politics & close-minded opinions, but here goes anyway:
1) if we’re bought by Qatar, why do we suddenly turn into an oil/plastic club? If they allow the club to not be saddled with debt & allow us to spend what we can afford, without taking dividends out, how does that turn us into a plastic club? If they’re pumping £billions of their own money in transfers, above our spend limit, surely either FFP kicks in, and if it doesn’t, then sure, I’d understand the argument. But just having a simple case of “change of ownership” doesn’t miraculously mean we were relegation candidates artificially turned into challengers. We’ve also been one of the biggest names in football. Also, I’ve worked in corporate my entire career so it might be easier for me to separate ownership from operations (& on field operations). That’s just how business works. & football is business at the end of the day.
2) they’ll spend money on infrastructure and improving the facilities, which is great for the club, again, that doesn’t turn us into an oil club but rather having owners who are investing into the sporting project. Maybe they even finance it through the club, who knows. But it would be great having an owner/sponsor willing to invest into the club, versus seeing the club as a for-profit venture.
3) the world has been going this way since the dawn of time. The wealthy are extremely wealthy but there’s no real right answer in the equation as most of the wealthy generally got there by pillaging/abusing/using the poorest of the poor. Would any/most other owners really be head and shoulders above being owned by the emir of Qatar (or whatever they call him)? Or do you just consider them as such because they fit more into your personal belief system? Why can’t your personal belief system be separated from the ownership of a football club as long as they’re not trying to force their way of thinking down your throat (he’s supposedly been educated in the UK and loves football from that aspect anyway)? Unless you’d prefer another VC type ownership because it’s either sketchy billionaires or “VC type investors at these prices”….
4) maybe I’m too “lenient” or open minded coming from the third world and witnessing its horrors. Horrors most of you (a generalisation as I know it’s not all of you) are not accustomed to, but we experience it almost on the daily. It’s never right, nor should it be normalised, but the world extends, and is far greater than “just the west and your way of life”. There are other ways of life. You might not agree with it but there are, and it’s easy for most of you to sit there and criticise and judge but try being born into that, the family, the teachings, the values….its indoctrination in a form…& then try seeing how easy it is to simply severe ties with those you love because you deem it “wrong” - how would you even define wrong after living in that world your entire life? Seems a few of you look down on the Middle East and their way of life because it doesn’t fit into your own thinking about life and what it should be like. Maybe it works for them? Who knows. I certainly don’t but I find the entire “shutdown” a little condescending because you happened to be born into some sort of “privilege” (not even mentioning how all those privileges were obtained in the fist place).
Anyway, these are my thoughts. Maybe I’m detached because we have other problems to deal with here in our beautiful country, South Africa, where some tribes (and all across Africa I might add, also still struggle with gender equality). Maybe footy or United means less to me than you, who knows. And I’m not even condoning the “sportwashing” angle here, but maybe if everyone was a little more “accepting and forgiving” of some of the unknown, we could also show them the beauty of a different way of life and try and garner change to their regimes in that manner? It’s a weird world we’re living in, where a lot of the wests privilege today was borne out of the suffering of others, and whilst you feel like you might have progressed in lfiezc you might also have left others lagging behind even more, but yet some of you seem unable to “make amends” (why should you?) and give others a chance at change, by simply setting a better example, a more inclusive example.
But I guess these thoughts are too idealistic. Because it’s sports. You know, serious life threatening business in the grander scheme of life.
@golden_blunder sorry for posting “politics” in here as I know we’re trying to keep it only sale related. Was my one and only post of its ilk. I’m doing a lucky scout and saying “not open to replies from me” once I’ve aired my thoughts
Well said mate. A good post.
Well the continued spotlight on the Kafala system has forced the GCC to make changes more and more aligned with Western expectations. Eventually it will be abolished completely - the signs are there. Even Amnesty, perhaps Qatar's harshest critics, have acknowledged that Qatar is making changes for the better - even if they still say that they have a long way to go.
Share the same values is a very diffuse description. Who are we here? If I interpret you correctly then I find it a bit historyless and short-sighted also.
You think we won't be cheating given Qatar's track record at PSG that they won't be doing any creative bookkeeping? I think to assume they will be any better than City's owners in that regard is highly naive.
Why would we need to?
100%. It’s like your country of birth is invaded, do you stop supporting what it once was because the invaders are evil? It’s our club.
They won't need to though...
They had little to no solid foundation or stature to speak of when they bought PSG.
They're buying an already top 3 biggest club in the world now, very very very different circumstances to the City and PSG sales.
They won't need to artificially inflate a thing to garner sponsorships and partnerships at all, we already do well enough on the commercial front as is with neglectful ownership
All of which will increase because the Glazers are gone and they hold the value of the club back
We already have one of the biggest revenues in football. We've not even been challenging for the title or consistently in the CL in the last few years.
Sponsors were scared to pair up with United because of the Glazers. Fans were targeting them.
Imagine we finally get the title back and turn into 1 of the CL top dogs again? our revenue will go through the roof.
City/PSG may have needed to cheat, but we certainly don't.
Find it scary that this lot can't see the difference between a club with hundred fans and one with hundreds of million fans.
Tbh it comes across as a little bit racist, though I'm sure he didn't intend it that way. 60 years ago homosexuality was illegal in the UK and we chemically castrated people who were. To say they'll never have the same values as us when we had these values 60 years ago is astonishing as if they're a different species or something, look at how America treated black people in that sort of time frame as well. To suggest the Saudis and qataris could never have our Western values when they're just 60 years behind seems a bit racist tbh, though I'm sure its more borne out of ignorance of our own recent history rather than any genuine racism on the poster's behalf
It’s really baffling people can’t grasp the difference between United and the likes of City and PSG.
Bit of a tangent here but…whatever about the moral character of individual billionaires, the part in bold is rubbish.
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Biggest top red since Stalin. Nice moral crusade you're on bud. Give it a rest. We can support the club/team without supporting the owners. We've done it for fecking two decades already
New owners quite literally will not need to cheat/fake a thing with United.
The opportunities and revenue streams are already going to be there for them soon as they sign on the dotted line.
They're not buying a blank canvas to turn into a masterpiece over time, they're buying the genuine article and finished work from the offset as it is
The opportunities and revenue streams are already going to be there for them soon as they sign on the dotted line.
They're not buying a blank canvas to turn into a masterpiece over time, they're buying the genuine article and finished work from the offset as it is
I'm not very familiar with FFP rules, but they are tied to income. Our revenue IIRC correctly was about 700 million pounds, so why would they need to cheat?
It makes him feel superior and clever it’s ok let him have it. Good self esteem boost I’m sure.Biggest top red since Stalin. Nice moral crusade you're on bud. Give it a rest. We can support the club/team without supporting the owners. We've done it for fecking two decades already
5B opening bid is absolute insanity and just underlines how determined they must be to buy the club.
The glazer vampires laughing all the way to the bank. They have no choice but to accept. It’s almost 2B more than the previously most expensive deal in sports history.
The glazer vampires laughing all the way to the bank. They have no choice but to accept. It’s almost 2B more than the previously most expensive deal in sports history.
Biggest top red since Stalin. Nice moral crusade you're on bud. Give it a rest. We can support the club/team without supporting the owners. We've done it for fecking two decades already
You literally less than a month ago
I didn't say I wasn't a hypocrite anywhere did I?
Biggest top red since Stalin. Nice moral crusade you're on bud. Give it a rest. We can support the club/team without supporting the owners. We've done it for fecking two decades already
Tbf Wumminstor has always been a "top red" I lost count of the number of times he posted "your job now is to stand by your new manager" during the moves season to show he was a better fan than anyone who dared criticise moves, similar with ole. He didn't with mourinho, I guess he didn't fit into the top red part of defending worse managers
Why we would need to cheat? Because most of our fans who support their ownership expect them to buy players for billions upon billions of pounds. The rumor wasn't even a day old and people were talking about brining in Mbappé next summer.
And let's be real, if that wasn't a real possibility none of you would get excited about them as new owners.
It's basically become a thread of people ranting rationalizations to themselves about why it's fine they continue to support the club or cheer such a reprehensible takeover
Some of them are such obvious bollocks that people can't actually believe it.
Yet I'm not even sure why people feel the need to justify it though. Just be honest with yourselves we dished out shit to other clubs for a reason and we should if were being honest do the same to our new owners. No need to be hypocrits about it.
If you're excited about an oil state takeover of your club, one with socialist roots, you're just like the same city and Newcastle fans excited about their takeovers. If that doesn't feel nice its for a reason.
Some of them are such obvious bollocks that people can't actually believe it.
Yet I'm not even sure why people feel the need to justify it though. Just be honest with yourselves we dished out shit to other clubs for a reason and we should if were being honest do the same to our new owners. No need to be hypocrits about it.
If you're excited about an oil state takeover of your club, one with socialist roots, you're just like the same city and Newcastle fans excited about their takeovers. If that doesn't feel nice its for a reason.
I do wish that our first league title post SAF wouldn't have an asterisk next to it, not gonna lie.
It's basically become a thread of people ranting rationalizations to themselves about why it's fine they continue to support the club or cheer such a reprehensible takeover
Some of them are such obvious bollocks that people can't actually believe it.
Yet I'm not even sure why people feel the need to justify it though. Just be honest with yourselves we dished out shit to other clubs for a reason and we should if were being honest do the same to our new owners. No need to be hypocrits about it.
If you're excited about an oil state takeover of your club, one with socialist roots, you're just like the same city and Newcastle fans excited about their takeovers. If that doesn't feel nice its for a reason.
Yeah tbh, any 150 year olds on here who supported the club when it was founded should be ashamed of themselves
@Wumminator convenient how you chose to ignore my post from Tuesday (since you obviously searched to make me look silly) directly acknowledging that I'd changed my mind about potential Qatar ownership.
Sorry mate, I didn’t realise you’ve changed your mind since two days ago.
I wouldn’t bother personally. The guy is complete WUM (obviously) and has one of the biggest superiority complexes I’ve ever seen on a forum. He literally just said to me he had taught me a lesson
Why is this rhetoric so commonly posted ? United have some of the highest revenue figures in club football. It's not a rags to riches venture that has overlooked many teams with financial injection from the owners.
If anything it's the opposite and a completely unique situation. I'd be very surprised if all of sudden the club started making audacious bids for players that destroy the already ridiculous inflated market value. Such an approach would be a cause for concern because that's not how you build a competitive high intensity team.
You must have since you looked through my posts you big liar
They cheated at PSG, they cheated to get the World Cup hosting rights. I understand why it's not necessary to cheat FFP rules at United, but their track record is what it is and clearly they don't seem to have much regard for rules.
You must have since you looked through my posts you big liar
Let me know when you completely change your mind again in the next 48 hours.
Serious question, will you actually stop supporting Utd IF Qatar buy the club?
You think they meant billions and billions of pounds in a single transfer window?
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