Something needs to be done about this thread. When news does come out closer to Friday there’s going to be no where to post it
Club Sale | It’s done!
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I cant wait for the Qataris to come in so you lot whingeing can just log out and let the supporters support the club regardless of who is in charge.
I agree, and I said as much in a previous post. Sportswashing is much more subtle than that. Just to be clear, for that reason I think most of us will be OK with Qatar. Not delighted, but OK.
They wouldn't be stupid enough to blatantly push any agendas which would risk backfiring, it'll be about wealth and power only.
I mean, there must be some kind of biological difference between the Chinese, the Qataris and the British, right? Some type of hidden gene that prevents one group from succumbing to propaganda? Surely, good morals are coded into some races' genetic code.
We are ALL susceptible to propaganda. It's quite funny that most of you seem to think you're immune
We are ALL susceptible to propaganda. It's quite funny that most of you seem to think you're immune
I guarantee a lot of the whingers are regulars at OT.
What the actual feck are you going on about?
Absolutely, we get a few debts paid and we’re good to go as a sustainable business. But we’re not going to dive into spending 300m every window which some fans seem to think this means
There's another thread about people's feelings on state sponsored ownership, I feel like all this discussion belongs in there. Then we could try to keep this a bit more focused on the potential sale itself? I.e. a place to discuss the tweets coming out etc. Just a suggestion, because it's a horror show in here.
That there's so much debate around the potential owners (whilst heated at times) does reinforce my belief that we've got a collection of some of the more grounded football fans in the country... weirdly.
If your government told you slavery is right, would you fall for their propaganda? Eventually you will, just like every people out there. Because the world has always worked that way. Personal convictions are mostly based on governmental and religious policy.
Do what though? All I can think is ban about half the posters in here
Well yesterday I explained him and plenty of others also tried to explain him that just because a person's religion prohibits homophobia does not mean that I can't be friends with homophobic people. And I further clarified that I don't care what a person does in isolation or his choices does not matter to me, if he is right or wrong he will be judged by God accordingly.
To this he made it out that I hate homophos and they will rott in hell etc. Which is a complete opposite of what I said.
Aspirations are lies now. This is becoming a shit page a day calendar 'wisdom'. Not really a shock.
Is that not worth it? Ban posters who go against thread rules? I’ve just reported one.
Human rights typically improve, albeit never fast enough, when a country becomes wealthier though. Improved education usually comes with greater wealth (more money is invested in schools and unis to create a more skilled workforce in order to grow the economy further). A lot of middle Eastern states have actually improved in this regard over the last couple of decades. Again, they are still way off where we think they should be but the direction is generally quite positive.
I agree with your broad point, but it must be said Manchester United sold out a fecking long time before the 2020s. There are things we have done and continue to do as a club that I like; Busby and the ethos of bringing through youth, always having a youth product in the matchday squad, Fergie is an utter hero of mine (not perfect, RoG and accepting a knighthood are blemishes for me), the history of how we were founded and what we stood for, but we are also a global sports brand and were at the forefront of the commodification of football.
You can oppose state ownership of any club, including United, while grimly accepting that this is the trajectory football has been on for a long time, not least because many years ago clubs like United saw it was in their own self-interest to bring floods of money into football, go global and harness the new riches in such a way that you and a handful of other clubs could dominate football in an effective closed shop.
Personally I'm against state ownership, European Super Leagues and all the other horrible things going on in football but to stand so steadfastly against them now while having said not a peep while football sold itself to the highest bidder decades ago doesn't appeal to me. I debated whether state ownership of United would be the end of my interest in football, and I've concluded that I'll probably keep watching with an acceptance that everything we win will come with an increasing feeling of hollowness.
When you mix religion/church with state and/or legal system you will always be hanging behind when it comes to human rights, individual freedom and progress in general. Far behind.
In countries where power is shared by just a few and religion has a strong hold - positive changes for the masses tend to happen extremely slowly, if at all.
People living in dictatorships doesn't necessarily know they are being held back and that the informationflow they have access to is filtered and sensored.
There was a poster in here that claimed he trusted the laws because they were based on religion.....
I think I was just a bit flabbergasted at your comment on judgment day and gay people tbh.
I don't think anybody is saying that.
The reality is though, the Glazers are selling the club. They want Circa £6 billion.
It doesn't sound like Radcliffe is willing to pay that kind of money, and it doesn't seem so far publicly that there is any other individual capable or wanting to get involved.
People have wanted the Glazers gone, now this is the reality we face. It'll go to the highest bidder.
And they are happy to share their concerns. People didn't like the ownership of Glazers aswell and they made FC united, but to link the owners and make it about religion is wrong. That is what I was arguing yesterday.
Have you done a survey?
Although historically most Cubans would have told you they loved Castro but it doesn't make it true.
You can't limit the debate to those narrow parameters. Of course, if any state is attempting to purchase the club we are going to discuss the merits of that regime and their record on human rights etc.
Attempting to stifle debate and throwing racism and islamophobia accusations around isn't going to make anyone take you very seriously.
feck me, there's being jaded and cynical with the world, and then there's whatever this is.
Wow I thought you were wumming before. Are you actually alright?
Thank you. Great post.
Well I have nothing further to say about this matter. I have already explained my position two posts above aswell.
Btw, there should really be a separate thread for moral objections towards Middle Eastern ownership IMO. Keep one thread for *news* and discussion directly related to that *news*. And another thread for all the other stuff.
Good for you.
Can't speak for everyone but for me the transfers are secondary to other issues at the club anyway, we already spend a lot. I want us to be debt free and the new owners to heavily invest in infrastructure such as the stadium, training facilities and the academy which the Glazers haven't given a toss about.
I largely agree with this. It's a very sad state of affairs but the idea that I'd be able to suddenly stop following United is hard to countenance.
Of course this is what should happen, but the same people wouldn’t be able to stop themselves.
I’m not sure. If I read ffp correctly then stadium and training ground costs doesn’t count towards spend so building a new stadium would being in naming rights etc that goes straight on to the credit side for ffp.
That’s why I don’t like this deal as a football fan. It can be constant 300m every year. Oh last years signing flopped, sell him for half price. At 40m and that’s give us extra for this summer on top as well.
We have the shirt sponsor renewal and Adidas as well plus the example I just mentioned that could completely buff up our spend alone.
Add in probable CL money as well. It wouldn’t be far off
Bloody hell, I'm starting to think this thread should be closed indefinitely. 
Well said.
On the political/ethical debate, my feeling is that cross-cultural exposure can help to modernise. The issues that people have with societal problems in the ME are completely valid as are the responses that societal problems exist everywhere else too. The fact that they are being discussed is an appropriate response to any attempts at sportwashing.
The issue of ownership of football clubs is entirely seperate. Football was lost to money many years ago and what is happening now is a symptom of the society that we in the UK participate in, so whatever is happening is as much our fault as anyone elses as we allow it to happen. There are various actions that we as individuals can undertake if we don't support the current situation, eg: not a single penny, FCUM, visible protest etc...
The issue of ownership of football clubs is entirely seperate. Football was lost to money many years ago and what is happening now is a symptom of the society that we in the UK participate in, so whatever is happening is as much our fault as anyone elses as we allow it to happen. There are various actions that we as individuals can undertake if we don't support the current situation, eg: not a single penny, FCUM, visible protest etc...
That’s above my pay grade.
Honestly ban all talk of religion etc and keep it to their own thread. There’s posters who feel strongly on the matter and Muslims who are feeling attacked. There’s going to be no stopping it otherwise
I think you could be making a mistake in assuming he knows.
It'll just spill into another. Better to keep it in 1 place and let people talk it out.Bloody hell, I'm starting to think this thread should be closed indefinitely.
People have opinions, fears and questions - better to get it out.
This could all be conjecture anyway, Qatar might not even win the bid?
Bloody hell, I'm starting to think this thread should be closed indefinitely.
No, it's all very entertaining.
Imagine the amount of headers we'd score
I agree, the global money that has poured into English football is not a new thing, but to say this has happened without a peep is wrong. The protest against Murdoch buying United, for example, was huge and thankfully it was stopped, the Green and Gold campaign, lots of people were very uncomfortable with Ambramovich, Dubai and more recently Saudi Arabia.
The introduction of nation states into the game is just another horrifying step down that line, again there will be protests and outcry, but s long as people who run the game are coining it in sadly nothing will change. But for me, and I'm very aware I am one opinion in many, it's a sad and slippery slope and football is driving down it like a Ferrari on a bobsleigh track.
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