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So all people with money from ME are evil. Royal families kill peoole. Rich people are supported by RF so they are killers too. Cool. You learn something every day.

Meanwhile; western rich people are ok. They cheat on taxes, treat badly employees but they don't kill people.
Oh wait, lots of those western rich people do business with ME people. feck, now what?
 
I’m not exactly thrilled at the idea of SJR being backed by borrowing it’s essentially what the Glazers did to get us. Doesn’t scream of something that can compete at the top.

On top of that Qatar getting ahold of Liverpool would be extremely hard to swallow.

I say get Qatar in, not down to us but if we could choose I’d go for the Middle Eastern investment.
 
stevoc said:
There has been rumours of Qatari individuals making a bid yes. But also a lot of rumours of members of the Royal family including the Emir of Qatar himself. And of consortiums backed by the QIA. I think this understandably has people confused.

So if a bid from Qatar materialises you couldn't say for sure they will definitely be individuals with no links to the Qatari government.
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INEOS made huge investments in Saudi Arabia few years ago. So Jim is connected with Saudis then?
 
TrebleChamp99 said:
I’m not exactly thrilled at the idea of SJR being backed by borrowing it’s essentially what the Glazers did to get us. Doesn’t scream of something that can compete at the top.

On top of that Qatar getting ahold of Liverpool would be extremely hard to swallow.

I say get Qatar in, not down to us but if we could choose I’d go for the Middle Eastern investment.
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Strongly support this.
 
devilish said:
If i may ask whom do you think will buy us and who out of the candidates is your favourite owner if given a choice?
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I think a qatari take over is looking most likely. I think majority of fans prefer ratcliffe though, he’ll already have a bond with the fans being a supporter himself so he’ll have the best interest of the club.
 
As someone from the Gulf, the most eye-opening thing in this thread is people thinking that anyone who’s rich here must be linked to the state. It’s a load of shit. In fact quite a few of the wealthiest families in the region have a history of opposition to the state, some even continuing to this day.

I have no idea whether the Qatari bid is going to be “private investors” (wink wink), or actual private investors, but the latter is more than plausible.
 
Rado_N said:
You’re barking up the wrong tree entirely here.

I absolutely do not want Middle Eastern state owners (I’m also not buying the idea that the Qatar buyers are independent). I don’t think there’s any good options out there and I’m most likely not going to be happy with any of the new owners.

But the idea that INEOS will take on £800m of debt to buy the club and will never take any money out to service that debt is laughable and I don’t give a toss what any article says to the contrary.
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Wasn’t aimed at you specifically chap, but it’s good to hear you don’t want state ownership.
INEOS is a £60bn business, why would they need to take money from United? Chances are they also get better loan rates than Utd.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
INEOS made huge investments in Saudi Arabia few years ago. So Jim is connected with Saudis then?
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What on earth are you on about?

If someone makes huge investments in a country then yes I suppose they have connections to that country. The same way ADUG have connections to the UK.

What does that have to do with my post though?
 
Everybody sing with me:

"Give me oil in my club, keep us burning,
Give me oil in my club I pray,
Give me oil in my club keep us burning,
Get us winning til the end of days"
 
There's no way that Ratcliffe and Ineos will come out on top if there's serious ME interest you would think? Only way Ineos buys us is if Qatar and SA were never seriously interested in the first place.
 
NYAS said:
As someone from the Gulf, the most eye-opening thing in this thread is people thinking that anyone who’s rich here must be linked to the state. It’s a load of shit. In fact quite a few of the wealthiest families in the region have a history of opposition to the state, some even continuing to this day.

I have no idea whether the Qatari bid is going to be “private investors” (wink wink), or actual private investors, but the latter is more than plausible.
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Good to hear. Genuinely independent investors would be great, but the reporting here is very muddled and it’s not easy to work out where the links are and aren’t.
 
DJ_21 said:
I think a qatari take over is looking most likely. I think majority of fans prefer ratcliffe though, he’ll already have a bond with the fans being a supporter himself so he’ll have the best interest of the club.
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The Emir of Qatar is also a Man Utd supporter?
 
I think my vote is going to Qatar. Painting them with a broad brush but the US investors we've seen in the PL fill me with no confidence and that's even outside of the Glazers and Todd. Something about the INEOS interest just doesn't seem right and I feel could end in tears. I'd then rather visit Qatar than Saudi on a holiday, so going with them.

In all seriousness we get no choice in the matter and I would conflicted regardless of who takeover.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Wasn’t aimed at you specifically chap, but it’s good to hear you don’t want state ownership.
INEOS is a £60bn business, why would they need to take money from United? Chances are they also get better loan rates than Utd.
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Because they’d be in it to make money, not to bankroll the club for clout and entertainment.

The wildest thing in all of the clambering is the idea that Ratcliffe is some kind of good guy. Put an American as the face of the exact same proposal and nobody would want it.
 
NYAS said:
As someone from the Gulf, the most eye-opening thing in this thread is people thinking that anyone who’s rich here must be linked to the state. It’s a load of shit. In fact quite a few of the wealthiest families in the region have a history of opposition to the state, some even continuing to this day.

I have no idea whether the Qatari bid is going to be “private investors” (wink wink), or actual private investors, but the latter is more than plausible.
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Would be nice if you can provide some background once we actually who's in for us for sure.

It would make for a nice change from the usual drivel that we hear from some on here about every ME buyer being associated with the state while kissing Jimmy R's backside.
 
Part of me kind of hopes the Glazers don't get the money they want, and they somehow still get what they truly deserve by hanging onto us out of pure greed, a nice government forced sale would be lovely, with lots of caveats, all in our favour, I'd happily wait a few more years to see that.

It just seems so unjust, and leaving the debt behind which could well potentially burden us forever more is digusting.

They could so easily pay it off, and go with some sort of parting shot that doesn't leave a such bad taste, whilst sitll making far too much money.
 
harms said:
Surely it’d be a common knowledge if there was an independent Qatari billionaire capable of spending 6-8 bn? Maybe it is and may be there is one but I haven’t seen any names mentioned yet.
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Considering how filthy rich Qatar is, i wouldnt be surprised to see a lot of billionaires with ties to family but not involved in country’s decision making process. Bunch them together and 6-8bn wouldn’t be too big for them. Plus i think its tad bit disrespectful to automatically assume that any rich gulf state person is involved in human rights violations. Lets wait to see the identity of bidders before bringing “Qatars kills innocent “ post is all i am advocating for
 
Plant0x84 said:
Wasn’t aimed at you specifically chap, but it’s good to hear you don’t want state ownership.
INEOS is a £60bn business, why would they need to take money from United? Chances are they also get better loan rates than Utd.
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Because no one would put their hard earned money to a business without returns ? Not doubting their intent but definitely they should explain about the dividend part too. Yes, no debts on club is a good start but how about stadium cost? Another loan of 1.5B on club ? If yes, we are back to square one. Technically that's not a debt but it's a loan with club as a collateral. Boom !!
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Part of me kind of hopes the Glazers don't get the money they want, and they somehow still get what they truly deserve by hanging onto us out of pure greed, a nice government forced sale would be lovely, with lots of caveats, all in our favour, I'd happily wait a few more years to see that.

It just seems so unjust, and leaving the debt behind which could well potentially burden us forever more is digusting.

They could so easily pay it off, and go with some sort of parting shot that doesn't leave a such bad taste, whilst sitll making far too much money.
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The debt will have a feature that requires automatic repayment if there is a new owner.
 
Rado_N said:
The wildest thing in all of the clambering is the idea that Ratcliffe is some kind of good guy. Put an American as the face of the exact same proposal and nobody would want it.
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The anti-American sentiment is unacceptable, I agree
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
Part of me kind of hopes the Glazers don't get the money they want, and they somehow still get what they truly deserve by hanging onto us out of pure greed, a nice government forced sale would be lovely, with lots of caveats, all in our favour, I'd happily wait a few more years to see that.

It just seems so unjust, and leaving the debt behind which could well potentially burden us forever more is digusting.

They could so easily pay it off, and go with some sort of parting shot that doesn't leave a such bad taste, whilst sitll making far too much money.
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I admire this post. Glazers are the sort of people who will take pens, pencils and post-its with them while clearing their desks
 
Rado_N said:
Because they’d be in it to make money, not to bankroll the club for clout and entertainment.

The wildest thing in all of the clambering is the idea that Ratcliffe is some kind of good guy. Put an American as the face of the exact same proposal and nobody would want it.
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This is true. He is local and United fan, thats the only reason why people are pushing for him
 
NYAS said:
As someone from the Gulf, the most eye-opening thing in this thread is people thinking that anyone who’s rich here must be linked to the state. It’s a load of shit. In fact quite a few of the wealthiest families in the region have a history of opposition to the state, some even continuing to this day.

I have no idea whether the Qatari bid is going to be “private investors” (wink wink), or actual private investors, but the latter is more than plausible.
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Are these dissenters rich enough though to buy United and keep us competitive and without debt?
 
@Andycoleno9 you're just basically saying you want the richest of the lot let's be honest. Don't pretend it's anything else.

You seem to be quite anti Ineos / Jim with your comments yet if he was the richest interested party you'd be not saying all this would you? It would be the exact opposite.

One thing you have to remember is we don't need rich owners for transfer funds. We already have enough of those under the parasites. We spend shed loads.

What we want is the best person not just the richest.
 
NYAS said:
As someone from the Gulf, the most eye-opening thing in this thread is people thinking that anyone who’s rich here must be linked to the state. It’s a load of shit. In fact quite a few of the wealthiest families in the region have a history of opposition to the state, some even continuing to this day.

I have no idea whether the Qatari bid is going to be “private investors” (wink wink), or actual private investors, but the latter is more than plausible.
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Yeah its a ridiculously lazy generalisation to make, and borderline racist too. The idea that any wealthy middle easterner is some slaver thats part of the state who wants to wash away all their supposed crimes. Maybe lets actually look into the backgrounds of these individuals instead of crying foul murder and praying some Brexiteer, fracking tax evading Chelsea season ticket holder and his Goldman sachs mates take us over.
 
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DJ_21 said:
I think a qatari take over is looking most likely. I think majority of fans prefer ratcliffe though, he’ll already have a bond with the fans being a supporter himself so he’ll have the best interest of the club.
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No
 
bond19821982 said:
Because no one would put their hard earned money to a business without returns ? Not doubting their intent but definitely they should explain about the dividend part too. Yes, no debts on club is a good start but how about stadium cost? Another loan of 1.5B on club ? If yes, we are back to square one. Technically that's not a debt but it's a loan with club as a collateral. Boom !!
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The stadium is a problem that any new owner is going to find difficult to tackle, especially given the changes to football finance regulation that are coming in this summer.

I am sure that the project will ultimately involve some financing.
 
There isn't anyone who has this sort of wealth to buy Manchester United who is not involved in shady business in someway or another! We could pray for a pure angel human being to own United, but unfortunately that will not happen, until football is not a business anymore. My personal opinion is I'm ok with anyone owning the club as long as it get's debt free, and we can invest in infrastructure, players, and keep the tradition of academy players be an integral part of the club as we always did.
 
harms said:
Surely it’d be a common knowledge if there was an independent Qatari billionaire capable of spending 6-8 bn? Maybe it is and may be there is one but I haven’t seen any names mentioned yet.
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The only Qatari who's been linked with buying United and also been named is Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar. But yet for some reason a few people on here seem positive that any bid from Qatar will only be from private individuals. When none of us actually have a clue.
 
Spoony said:
I think fans'll get bored winning everything on cheat mode.
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I mean, we are already one of the top spenders in football, this will just give us that extra push if we got a wealthy owner. United is already cheat mode compared to most clubs. And it's not like having infinite money is a guarantee of winning the Cl or whatever, look at city and psg.
 
Yeah Ratcliffe can feck right off if he's planning to load even more debt onto the club.
 
pratyush_utd said:
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People naive enough to think the debt will not be associated with the club in some way :lol: .
He will penny pinch to cover up his debt and the high interest rate on his loan and in no time he will take large dividends to cover that.
If he takes over, it will be game over for the club.
 
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