Except everyone sits around and does nothing for weeks before finally picking up the phone to answer questions that needed answering last week.
Club Sale | It’s done!
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The Glazers absolutely did NOT put the club up for sale, and when Avram was door-stepped about it he was at pains to point out it wasn’t necessarily a sale process.
We fans are desperate for a full sale, and the media are happy to build and exploit a sale narrative to drive sales and clicks. A lot of people have fallen for this narrative, but a full sale was never promised, nor seemingly was it ever likely at this stage when it’s the Glazers who are in the driving seat.
If Sir Jim bought his 25% tomorrow (no chance, it's a holiday in the States), it would take three years before we had a proper team and five years before we had a proper stadium to match. Patience is required. The good side is, City may be in the Championship and then watch all their stars bugger off. City fans saying they don't mind if they play the Northern Premier league as long as they can watch them. Ha bloody ha. Bitter, bitter, snug arrogant gits.
No problem, apparently. UEFA are being pressured to "tear up the rules" that govern multi-club ownership. https://www.the-sun.com/sport/9702384/uefa-man-utd-champions-league/
If all the bullshit that has been spread about this takeover business was real, we could turn Europe into one huge organic farm.
Yes I'm aware, in case you aren't aware, I'm allowed an opinion....
"You're City, really? You sure? I thought you were United? I'm pretty sure, dad."
"Maybe you're right. How would I know what team I supported all my fecking life? I mean, maybe I support Arsenal or Feck-all Chester Rangers. How can I fecking possibly fecking know?"
This process has turned into the most boring bollocks I have wasted my time on. It has had a huge impact on the side and the preparations prior to the season.
It has been a mess.
It has been a mess.
You don't have to love Sir Jim, but it's pointless going over Qatar again and again now they are not in the running.
I'd like us to sell Antony and Sancho and buy Mbappe and Bellingham, but that ain't happening either.
Please believe, the club was never up for sale.
SJ would have had to seriously overpay like £8b upfront.
it took 8-9 months before SJ realised he was being taken for a ride which is why he pulled out. Mugged off just like us fans are by the Evil Glazers.
Jimmy Glazer knew he was getting in from before they announced the strategic review.
SJ would have had to seriously overpay like £8b upfront.
it took 8-9 months before SJ realised he was being taken for a ride which is why he pulled out. Mugged off just like us fans are by the Evil Glazers.
Jimmy Glazer knew he was getting in from before they announced the strategic review.
It would’ve been nice if he at least hit the original £6b asking price and called their bluff. We’ll never know now if the club was truly up for sale.
Can jet fuel melt steel beams ?
Has this thread ever gone 24 hours between posts before?
Probably not, but everyone is bored now.
Even the excitment of an annoucement that is basically a perverted best case scenario outcome for the Glazers, and one that has left most fans convincing themselves that it is some sort of good deal, has been killed dead by the delay.
What in the actual......
SJR is 70 and a billionaire. This move by him is not for making profit. Yes he will want the club to be profitable because he's not an idiot. But at the same time he is not going to be Glazers mark 2, simply because he doesn't need the money. It's a legacy purchase with the sole intent of owning a massive club, which he actually supports. Now people might try and tell you he doesn't because he owned a Chelsea season ticket, and tried to buy them. But that's all semantics and moot at this stage. He actually wants the club to be successful and is actually interested in football, unlike the twats who currently own us. He will eventually own the club and we will be successful once more, I'm sure of it. Just a hunch of course, but we will be infinitely better off with him running the show instead of the current ownership who simply do not have a clue. Fun times ahead.
Still got a big doubt that he will ever own the club. If he wanted to he could buy them now. I get the feeling he’s happy with 25% and control of the football operation, so he can try and make a difference. I was pro Qatar, but I‘m behind SJR now as I really think he means to make a statement on the footballing side of things. Let the Glazer’s get on and milk the club for their commercial gain, but we need to see a massive improvement on the pitch - and I think that’s all SJR wants to see. Hope he’s successful in that exploit.
What you have just said are all personal hopes & wishes ie projections. All fine.
But let's be honest, there is absolutely nothing factual about it.
Lets be honest, there's 2300 + other pages in this thread with nothing factual in them
The whole situation has been a fugasi.
Why bother posting opinions on a public forum so? If you were just going to deal with facts on the internet then it would be one barren hellscape where nobody dared do that.
And yet, here we are. Funny shit really.
Like the dozens of negative posts you made in this thread that are also just predictions, the only difference being is that yours are unrealistic and illogical?
Really hypocritical reply
City group also own Girona, if they qualify they will also be banned?
Of course, they are just predictions based on certain parameters. I have zero inside knowledge of what's going on with the deal discussions -- and then projecting how & what may happen based on certain parameters.
But I am not under any illusions of knowing what will happen since I don't know for certain the parameters.
Everyone's just cherry-picking bits & pieces to support what they want to believe. Example: SJR is 70 and a billionaire. This move by him is not for making profit.
How do we know that? We are just projecting -- we just want a white knight to ride in and rescue us.
Game. Set. Match.
Only if Girona win la Liga and City come second, if City win the PL they qualify and Girona go into Conference League.
It's crazy that people are projecting that as fact. Someone even mentioned that is the case with all his sporting ventures.
Its the stupidest sht I ever heard. Even if Sir Jim just decided that all he wants in his old age is Man Utd success above his own profits then how the fk would he do that with 25 percent? Do people think when the dividends are handed out he will say 'Oh put that towards transfers I don't need it' while the Glazers and everyone else get their 75 percent? Do people think he will just plough in money to make the Glazers richer? 'Don't worry Glazers put your money back I've got it. Ill pay for the stadium.' And then even if he did that then he would even further cut off his own nose because he has just made Man Utd more valuable. 'Hey Ill like to buy out the rest of Man Utd.' W'ell we have a new stadium and are successful on the pitch. Its now worth 3 bill more from when you bought 25 percent.' It just makes zero logical sense.
I said earlier -- desperate times so people are projecting and hoping for some white knight to ride in and save the club. If only Manchester United was a beast that could be fixed or tamed so easily... we have hoped for managers to come in and change our fortunes... Woodward had gone and things would turn around. And now we are hoping for a fresh-faced team to change things once again.
I think going forward the issue isn't people but the lack of patience to see things through. The longer the lack of silverware/success the more desperate and impatient we become.
And the more desperate we become the quicker we look for scapegoats. Projections.
From players to staff/administration to (old/new) owners.
At that point, we really need to look inwards -- into ourselves since many here will be extremely depressed or face mental health issues. What does our club mean to you and why? Is it about success/prestige, identity/community, entertainment etc?
Surely fans of Grimsby don't suffer the same level of angst as United fans despite the lack of success. Why should is it different for the United fan base?
It's wonderful that you have this optimism for Ratcliffe and through that you're applying a twisted psychoanalysis of his reasonings and desires but they're misguided, I'm afraid.
Dominic O'Connell, editor of business times radio, who co-authored Ratcliffe's autobiography and is a long time friend of his has publicly stated otherwise:
"I spoke to him about it a few times, although last time about 4-5 months ago now and he's extremely keen to get a hold of Manchester United. The other thing about Jim Ratcliffe is A) he doesn't like losing and B) he doesn't like doing business without the sense of not getting any gain at the end of it. So his view of Man Utd, as he's expressed to me, and he's expressed this publicly so it's hardly any revelation, he's sees it (Man Utd) as one of the few clubs in the world that can cover its day to day operating costs from its own revenue - merchandise, tickets sales and that sort of stuff and then if you invest on top of that you should do well over the long term but, it will not be a continual drain on his coffers. That's his view and that in 10 years time, 20 years time when it comes to the next stage in the ownership of Manchester United he will make a profit - he's not in this to lose money."
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Great post, but it’ll just be ignored amid the sea of wilful delusion surrounding Ratcliffe.
It’s much like Brexit in that sense.
Ironically, that also was something Ratcliffe pushed hard for, and then when it arrived turned back on his own promises and used it for his own personal gain…
It is redolent of the pro-Qatar nonsense. 'The boy Jassim' who is 'cool' because he sleeps in meetings will buy United a trip to the moon, wilfully ignoring the stagnating psg and Qatar's other failures.
Also, Qatar's dictatorship is way worse than brexit.
There are no particularly good options regarding this process, which is not over yet.
Someone needs to tell Sir Jimmy he's going to get old if he doesn't finalize the purchase this year.
Why are you still talking about Jassim / 92F? Genuine question.
The reason Ratcliffe’s motives and history with lying and self serving are being discussed is because he is joining the Glazers as a minority investor. And thus his intentions and history are very relevant to the discussion.
Jassim has no absolutely no relevance to this anymore yet you’re still desperately trying to shoehorn him into the discussion.
Ratcliffe is part of Utd’s hierarchy, and as such will be under much higher scrutiny now - get used to it would be my advice.
The irritating thing is, if you type in "Manchester United takeover news" you get the link in the above image section, Sheikh Jassim Al Thani submits new bid to buy club."
You tap in that and is news from the Sky Sports "it was the second round of bids in March".
They need to get rid of that in the search engine because it is annoying.
I'm not talking about 'Jassim/92F' rather Qatar's state bid.
Also, it is not a 'genuine question' if you proceed to frame the corresponding counter-arguments or cast aspersions about your interlocutor (desperately trying to shoehorn him in).
You should just ask the question and leave it there.
Thank Christ.
I actively encourage scrutiny of the toerag.
I also actively encourage scrutiny of those scrutinising the bid, and why.
Get used to it.
It is annoying, that. The MEN bang on about him still, not to mention a few broadsheets who courted Qatar, like Keegan in the DM.
This thread is not innocent. Quite a few posts are clearly embittered and enraged supporters of Qatar's state bid attempting to throw shit in a strop we won't be used as their PR vehicle. Best to call them out when we see it.
Agreed, now that he’s part of the hierarchy he should scrutinised as hard as the Glazers.
The good news is that he will be! There’s no doubt about that.
The journalists told us back in February that a deal could realistically be announced by Easter. Were they talking about Easter 2024 then?
How long does it take to grow and cultivate truffles?
Hearing Avram is waiting for his ponytail to reach one metre in length before the deal can be closed. Big, if true.
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