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FujiVice said:
That's clearly not what fecked us. The evidence of the last decade points to what has fecked up. Selling Ronaldo for £80 million and not spending that money was a big one. David Gill leaving and not putting someone competent in to replace him was another. Moyes had a bad 8 months, where he wasnt backed in the transfer market. That isnt the basis of 10 years of mediocrity. You cant keep blaming him for it, when so many others have failed.
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No doubt the club made a series of mistakes, but the choice to go with Moyes set in motion laughingstock status of the club to the point where we could only attract washed up managers and either washed up players or players looking for that last big payday.

Moyes was backed with his brilliant pick of Fellaini.
 
lex talionis said:
No doubt the club made a series of mistakes, but the choice to go with Moyes set in motion laughingstock status of the club to the point where we could only attract washed up managers and either washed up players or players looking for that last big payday.

Moyes was backed with his brilliant pick of Fellaini.
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To be fair, peak Fellaini would get A LOT of games for ETH as well.
 
MackRobinson said:
Qatar's PR was definitely a better deal for the fans because... well it's PR.

Buying players is the least of United problems. Current manager spent 400M in 3 windows. Spending money on players has never been the issue.

Jassim could have been and SJR could be shit. The problem is the notion that Qatar buying the club somehow guarantees success is deeply flawed.
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With the glazers still controlling the majority of the money and votes i fail to see how we will progress. They’ve bought but they’ve also held onto their money to the point where we have a squad where up to 15 players aren’t fit for purpose but are on too much money to sell and the owners don’t want to take a hit so they remain here unhappy and overpaid, the facilities are a few years away from being condemned and we have the biggest debt in the country. We also take ages to fix the major problems in the quad while in the meantime fresh problems have arisen. They are absolute idiots of owners and I think this Jim thing is just more of the same it just dilutes the possible solution even more. I hope I’m totally wrong but I don’t see it working out. It’s just another way for the glazers to get paid while they probably sell in a few years anyway when things are at their lowest
 
lex talionis said:
No doubt the club made a series of mistakes, but the choice to go with Moyes set in motion laughingstock status of the club to the point where we could only attract washed up managers and either washed up players or players looking for that last big payday.

Moyes was backed with his brilliant pick of Fellaini.
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He wasnt backed with Fellaini, though. Fellaini had a release clause earlier in the summer, and we waited until the final day completely putting us at the mercy of the seller. You think David Moyes thought "I'll happily go into the season with no signings"? You can blame Moyes for being out of his depth, you cant blame him for anything else. We replaced Ronaldo with Obertan, Valencia and Michael Owen FFS. The shit at board level didnt start with David Moyes.
 
fallengt said:
So was the Qatari's offer state backed or not? $10bil would be nothing for them if it was state funded right? Yet they didn't want to match asking price, what's wrong?
I swear same people that were spreading their agendas can't even make up their mind
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I fully believe it was a state-backed bid disguised as not. If it wasn't, then Jassim is a random guy buying the club and the only difference between him and SJR is he played the PR game promising a lot of things he's not obligated to do.

I don't have an agenda. I simply believe aspiring to be like PSG or City is lame and soulless.
 
Ali Dia said:
With the glazers still controlling the majority of the money and votes i fail to see how we will progress. They’ve bought but they’ve also held onto their money to the point where we have a squad where up to 15 players aren’t fit for purpose but are on too much money to sell and the owners don’t want to take a hit so they remain here unhappy and overpaid, the facilities are a few years away from being condemned and we have the biggest debt in the country. We also take ages to fix the major problems in the quad while in the meantime fresh problems have arisen. They are absolute idiots of owners and I think this Jim thing is just more of the same it just dilutes the possible solution even more. I hope I’m totally wrong but I don’t see it working out. It’s just another way for the glazers to get paid while they probably sell in a few years anyway when things are at their lowest
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He is largest single shareholder. If the Glazer are guaranteed to vote as a bloc that's a whole other story. The squad is in the state it is because of the recruitment of crap managers and playing staff. What you are asking for is a City-like unlimited pile of money to correct transfer mistakes and always buy the best player. No owner can guarantee this.
 
FujiVice said:
He wasnt backed with Fellaini, though. Fellaini had a release clause earlier in the summer, and we waited until the final day completely putting us at the mercy of the seller. You think David Moyes thought "I'll happily go into the season with no signings"? You can blame Moyes for being out of his depth, you cant blame him for anything else. We replaced Ronaldo with Obertan, Valencia and Michael Owen FFS. The shit at board level didnt start with David Moyes.
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Moyes got the man he desperately wanted, did he not? Of course he did The man he wanted was Marouane Fellaini and of course Moyes is not to be blamed for the club overpaying for Fellaini, but I also distinctly recall Moyes dithering over scouting reports wondering WTF he should do and then reached for the panic button when the timbers were falling in August and he had to sign someone, so he signed Fellaini. Moyes did want Fabregas but Fabregas said no United, whatever his reasons may have been. But Moyes hung on and hung on for Fabregas even though it was obvious to the entire galaxy that Fabregas was not interested in United.

The club had made a series of mistakes, like every club does, before Moyes and has made a series of mistakes, like every club does, after Moyes. But going with Moyes was the single biggest mistake the club has made since the Glazers took over and here we are, a decade later, no less the laughingstock of European football now than we were the day the hiring of Moyes was announced. Moyes of course can't be blamed for the mistakes that were made after he was sacked(the signing of Alexis and the hiring of Ole, for example), but the moment United signed Moyes was the moment that the football world learned that this was a club which placed performances on the pitch a distant second to commercial success.
 
simonhch said:
They will clearly exit at some point. The reason they bought it in the first place, was to eventually exit. They just don’t think they’ve maximised, or even close, the value yet.
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Yes. At least that's what many of us have assumed ever since the initial takeover.

It has always been a question of when and in what form.

I get the impression that some have now genuinely embraced the idea that the Glazers are just feckin' with us for kicks.

Or that Joel has, over the years, become insane and now fancies himself a sort of DOF Supreme with (very weird) ideas about how to win major trophies.

They aren't, though. Their end game has always been to sell at a premium - what else could their end game possibly be? They have no interest in United as such, never did.
 
Is Sir Jim really a lifelong United fan? All I've seen is this statement from his press team. Anyone seen pictures of him at Old Trafford as a kid? Has he had a season ticket for years? Was he there for the 99 final? Who's his favorite player?
Just wondering....
 
UpWithRivers said:
Was he there for the 99 final?
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Yes he was, he’s said so himself.

A lifelong Man United fan, Ratcliffe has previously stated: "I was born in Manchester, it’s my team. I was at the Champions League final in 1999, when we won [2-1] at the last minute against Bayern Munich. This is my most extraordinary football memory, we should never have won before these three crazy minutes."
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DanClancy said:
Its worked really well at PSG hasn't it!!!

Definite disconnect between match going fans/Greater Manchester fans and those on social media and forums who only support the club because of the success.
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I don't think any of those people are still around
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Yes. At least that's what many of us have assumed ever since the initial takeover.

It has always been a question of when and in what form.

I get the impression that some have now genuinely embraced the idea that the Glazers are just feckin' with us for kicks.

Or that Joel has, over the years, become insane and now fancies himself a sort of DOF Supreme with (very weird) ideas about how to win major trophies.

They aren't, though. Their end game has always been to sell at a premium - what else could their end game possibly be? They have no interest in United as such, never did.
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I think the idea that the Glazers have no interest in the club apart from profit is actually outdated. It was certainly true for Malcolm but there is evidence that, Joel at least and probably Avram too, do actually have some interest in the sporting side of the club.
Joel has been involved in day to day operations at the club for some time now but this has clearly been to our detriment.

Also they don't need to sell to profit from the club, they have taken dividends and management fees in the past plus they borrow money against their shareholdings (a major reason for the NYSE listing).

It's becoming increasingly clear that Sir Jim is just buying 25% with no guarantees of increasing that anytime soon.
The sad reality is that we are probably stuck with at least some of the Glazer family for the foreseeable future.
 
So the cycling dream team that made no impact at NICE is just being brought straight in to run United? bit underwhelming
 
lex talionis said:
Moyes got the man he desperately wanted, did he not? Of course he did The man he wanted was Marouane Fellaini
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Moyes wanted Fabregas, Mata, Baines and later Kroos, whom he actually signed only to get sacked. LvG then vetoed Kroos for Ander Herrera. Commercial club, see.

Plant0x84 said:
Yes he was, he’s said so himself:
'...we should never have won before these three crazy minutes'
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Yes we fecking should have you polluting prat. We'd created more chances and had more shots on target. Boils my pish that does.

Beginning to see it from the AI Sheikh's view after all.

Tiber said:
So the cycling dream team that made no impact at NICE is just being brought straight in to run United? bit underwhelming
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We are just going round and round and round and round and round and round and round again, then round and round and Steve Round and round again, until one's arse is too sore
 
UpWithRivers said:
Is Sir Jim really a lifelong United fan? Yes All I've seen is this statement from his press team. Anyone seen pictures of him at Old Trafford as a kid? Yes Has he had a season ticket for years? Yes Was he there for the 99 final? Yes Who's his favorite player? Blomqvist
Just wondering....
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putzmcgee123 said:
Pretty much Mark Kleinman of Sky simply updating his story from two weeks ago, now describing the deal as $33/share instead of £1.25B and suggesting we're expecting an official announcement next week, before the American holiday on Thursday.
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Cheers fellah
 
UpWithRivers said:
Is Sir Jim really a lifelong United fan? All I've seen is this statement from his press team. Anyone seen pictures of him at Old Trafford as a kid? Has he had a season ticket for years? Was he there for the 99 final? Who's his favorite player?
Just wondering....
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Probably watched Chelsea more than any club but tbh, who gives a shit if he can get the job done.
Woodward was probably a United fan and nobody doubted he wanted best for the club but the guy was just pure incompetent.
 
BBC article still linking Dougie Freedman.

Still hoping Paul Mitchell is the Director of Football. That would be the most impressive signing in years for us.
 
Rood said:
It means the market does not expect Sir Jim to buy A Shares for $33

Whether he buys some at a lower price or none at all remains to be seen
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Doesn’t mean that, the market rate won’t go much higher when buyers know they are only going to be able to sell 25% of their shares for $33. The current price is over inflated in preparation of the above happening.

If the current market price was $23 or above, any owners would be losing money if they take the 25% offer and sell off the rest (at the more realistic valuation of $15-18) once SJR completes his minority purchase.
 
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Rood said:
It means the market does not expect Sir Jim to buy A Shares for $33

Whether he buys some at a lower price or none at all remains to be seen
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Also that he won't buy all of the shares on the market for that price, only a proportional part of them.

There's no point in having all of the shares trading close to $33 if only max 25% will get an offer at that price.
 
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