That's quite the leap. I'm referring to them sentencing 8 Indian men to death on unspecified charges today (or yesterday depending on the time).
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That's quite the leap. I'm referring to them sentencing 8 Indian men to death on unspecified charges today (or yesterday depending on the time).
Qatar openly sheltering the leaders of Hamas, calling for a ceasefire. You couldn't make it up, nor hide your own bias.
No leap, you made the post not me - and they are being sentenced for spying, it's not unspecified.
But I agree that the death penalty is cruel, just look up how many the US executes. Unless you're only horrified about the Arab countries.
Which football club are the US buying?
I don't know if you've seen where our current owners are from?
So the Glazers are US government actors? Good to know.
Ooor maybe it's Jassim that has nothing to do with the Qatari state?
Which false narrative are you going to go with?
Which football club is the Qatar government buying?
Cuz it certainly isn’t Man Utd, is it?
FFS...
Not anymore, thankfully!
Never was.
Wouldn’t have been outbid by Jim Brexit otherwise
Please explain. He is not offering to pay a premium to all Class A shareholders?
I think the suggested arrangement is that he'd buy an equal amount of shares of both classes.
That’s not going to wing though is it? What do the the rest of of the A Class shareholders do if they are exempt from the deal.
I believe its common practice. If he's buying 10% class B for example, he'll have to buy 10% class A too. What that means for each class A holder is that they can sell 10% of their shares to Jim. So if you for example hold 100 shares, you can sell 10. Thus not favouring class A or B holders.
ffp has done it's job. Qatar have to use a 'fund' to cover it up but can't justify it much longer if they up it too much. glazers laughing at them.
Funny how city will whinge hard about ffp protecting the elite when it's helped consolidate their position and stop Qatar completing a state takeover of United.
They are as much the US as Jassim is Qatar is for all you and I actually know.
Or did a state actually get outbid by one single businessman?
What false narrative are you going to go with next?
Agree.
It’s absolutely ridiculous at this point.
As if a state bid would’ve gone that deep and then walked away at 5b
The irony is that all those who were against Jassim ‘because state bid’, are now in the position of celebrating his withdrawal, only to have an ‘oh, wait’ moment where deep down they know that his very withdrawal proves it was never a state bid to begin with.
Thus, the supposed only reason they didn’t want him is disproved and they’re left cheering that they’ve ended up with the Glazers and Ratcliffe, when they could’ve had an unshackled Utd.
A lot are still in denial / doublethink over the above.
Qatar would spend $220 billion on the WC, a one time event, but not 10 to own one of the best known clubs in the world? Seems off.Agree.
It’s absolutely ridiculous at this point.
As if a state bid would’ve gone that deep and then walked away at 5b
The irony is that all those who were against Jassim ‘because state bid’, are now in the position of celebrating his withdrawal, only to have an ‘oh, wait’ moment where deep down they know that his very withdrawal proves it was never a state bid to begin with.
Thus, the supposed only reason they didn’t want him is disproved and they’re left cheering that they’ve ended up with the Glazers and Ratcliffe, when they could’ve had an unshackled Utd.
A lot are still in denial / doublethink over the above.
Ok, if we go by your assumption that Jassim was fully privately funding the takeover then what confidence do you have that he would actually go through with all his heady promises? When he couldn't even meet the Glazer's asking price. What gives you the confidence that it wouldn't go in the direction of Malaga?
Only that he actually made some promises, which is more than we have now. If he didn't back what he said, then we all would protest surely.
What we have now is zero communication from our owners, leaking stadion and neglected facilities, and that's besides our whole 10 year+ fall from grace. We all want better for our club.
And how has that worked out for the last two decades? Has the protests made Glazers do anything? So how are you so certain Jassim would? Honestly, promises means absolutely nothing if you can't even get past the first hurdle. So I don't get some here still pining with so so much certainly; some even reaching the levels of deifying the figure of Jassim.
Agree.
It’s absolutely ridiculous at this point.
As if a state bid would’ve gone that deep and then walked away at 5b
The irony is that all those who were against Jassim ‘because state bid’, are now in the position of celebrating his withdrawal, only to have an ‘oh, wait’ moment where deep down they know that his very withdrawal proves it was never a state bid to begin with.
Thus, the supposed only reason they didn’t want him is disproved and they’re left cheering that they’ve ended up with the Glazers and Ratcliffe, when they could’ve had an unshackled Utd.
A lot are still in denial / doublethink over the above.
Its called pretzel logic or at worst selective reasoning.
Deal in November INEOS kings incoming
First off I'm neither pining for nor deifying anyone, I got annoyed that another poster seemingly casually put all Arab countries in one bag. Which is a thing that has been going around on this site.
Noone knows if Jassim would have backed his promises, all we know is that he actually made some good promises which is more that we can say for our current owners.
I seriously can't see how this deal will benefit utd at all. We're getting no investment which is the opposite of what we want and the absolute opposite in the infrastructure as you said. Can't see how half the board can pass this.
This question hasn't been done to death in here at all because unfortunately I've read every page but the fact you have decided to ignore it again proves my point.
Anyway I don't want the thread to be taken off topic again. I just wanted to see what your side would say and I've gotten what I expected unfortunately.
I do completely understand your side of things but unfortunately if we used our morals everyday as you are with this we'd never leave the house. Unfortunately the world and sport don't really care about morals and most sport fans watch their chosen team for good times to escape from the pressures of real life so we have to move with the times. Football will always be about the money, this will never change now unfortunately.
Also everyone saying we don't need a sugar daddy with a bottomless pit of money is correct. We just need the debt removing which would allow us to run on our own funds as we were before the cnuts arrived. But jim is not going to provide that base with this current bid so god knows where we go from here.
Just want Jean-Marie Blanc & Mitchell appointed
You are looking for saviours or heroes. Unfortunately, no one or two employees will change the trajectory that United is heading.
They can't change things if there are limits to their autonomy (due to a convoluted org structure) or face massive budgetary constraints (due to opposing strategic objectives.)
You will only be disappointed within 18-24 months. Then it will off to the next shiny object.
Yeah so frustrating we never had another full sale option,mind you the likes of Pagliuca/Ballmer probably know what leeches they are so wanted no part of it whatsoever.
That happens all the time. States, just like companies and individuals, have their valuations of investments they're considering. If a state values something lower than an individual does, then the state will lose out if they both can afford it.
You don't actually believe that Qatar has successfully bought every single thing they've bid for.
I remember watching a Simon Jordon discussion a year ago -- he talked about the inevitable greed that kicks in when you sell your own business. Initially, you will ask for 100 and then when there is interest you will raise it to 120 and when there is still interest, you will want to shoot for 200.
You either lose everyone or someone needs to tell you that you need to come down to a more reasonable number.
The State won't lose such an iconic property for a few hundred million quid. They can easily make that up within a couple of days worth of revenues.
A private bid, on the other hand, will have a business model in place and will have strict upper guidelines on how much they can invest.
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This time next year!
Possibly, the most stupid thing written on this entire thread.
It's because clubs are subject to different and specific rules which outlaw state bids, meaning they have to remain hidden.
A WC is a state bidding to host a sporting tournament.
So, different things entirely.
They just did. It wouldn't surprise me if Ratcliffe's bid is held up by more greed, and they swoosh in with a sudden megabid to 'save the day', either, but they've truly cocked it up thus far.
Pretty much nailed it.
The city point is bang on.
They couldn’t have as it was never on the cards.
Yes, this poster summed it up well.
In case you are interested, this is called a tender offer. This should certainly avoid any legitimate lawsuits, so long as the price offered for Class A and B is the same.
Don’t you guys ever get tired of debating the same old crap over and over?
Not strictly accurate mate. Sir Jim has promised to put "Manchester" back into Manchester United. Quite how he intends to do that is open to speculation but at least he's promised something.
Conversation is so circular. Same disingenuous arguments getting picked a part over and over.
My wife promised "Til death us do part, in front of her God"
Yeah that went well
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