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This is why the United forum can be insufferable at the best of times.
I used to proudly believe the ‘our fans are the best in the world’ line spouted by managers until I witnessed two blokes arguing about who was the real United fan and flashing supporters cards at each other because one of them cut the queue for the urinal. Sometimes this fan base beggars belief. :annoyed:
 
They've spent silly amounts over the years to compete with English clubs, and they've refused to get involved recently which has caused Madrid to age badly and Barcelona are in financial ruin. Madrid bought that French lad for £80m last summer and they had to wait for Rudiger to become a free agent to sign him. We all know they wanted Mbappe, which wouldn't have been cheap and they missed out on Haaland because City were paying more.

Unless the players you sign for big money actually win trophies or play well, you aren't going to be able to sell them for profit. Madrid's new stadium has been built to bring in more revenue so they can spend more, it's not been done for a laugh, they know they can't compete in the market like they used to. Yesteryear, Haaland, Mbappe, Salah etc all end up at Madrid or Barcelona. Look where they are now.
How is Madrid aging badly? They have refreshed their squad fantastically well and are still in the process - while still being successful. Every single club has to go through transition years occasionally. It's a fact of life. Some managers are capable of reducing the impact or durations of these transition years. When you combine one of the all time greats like Pep Guardiola as manager with City's level of money, then yes, it does distort reality a bit in terms of what is capable. But is that down to the spending, or just simply Pep Guardiola being a genius manager? Let's be real. You put Pep Guardiola in charge of United since 2016, and we dominate to the same extent that City has. It's called just making good decisions. You don't need to spend like Chelsea are doing which is unprecedented. City signed Julian Alvarez for 10m. United was more than capable of making the same purchase, but here we are. Real Madrid signed Rudiger on a free because it is good business to take advantage of the free market, and refresh Casemiro for Tchouameni for essentially the same price, even if there is a short term hit.
 
What are the chances of Ratcliffe/Ineos having got some sort formidable consortium together? He's surely not going to go it alone.
 
I used to proudly believe the ‘our fans are the best in the world’ line spouted by managers until I witnessed two blokes arguing about who was the real United fan and flashing supporters cards at each other because one of them cut the queue for the urinal. Sometimes this fan base beggars belief. :annoyed:

On that point do we actually a utd fan firm who call themselves the MIB from london, my mate told me that once thought it was a joke.
 
It doesn't seem to be an issue for Real Madrid or Bayern though, does it? Yes teams spend more. But they don't do 150m every single year. They might load up one year and then have 1 year where they have high sales with a 0 net spend. Look through clubs and see the past 5 years average, past 3 years, whatever, and see just how few actually match up to what United has spent in terms of net spend. Both in transfer fees and in wages.
Madrid and Bayern are not competing with doped to the grills team in their league. They dwarf their competition and have a guaranteed top 4 place always, on top of having first knack for every player in their respective leagues... especially Bayern.. It's not the same.

Yes, City are capable of spending more than us unfortunately. That is the reality of the situation. You don't say "feck all my morals, join them". You change how you operate. Liverpool is a horrible example for you. It's exactly what works for my point. They were managed well, spent shrewdly, competed at the highest level for 5 years. And now have to do a normal rebuild that every club in the existence of football has ever had to do. Just like Sir Alex would say, a cycle last 4 years or so. They rebuild for a couple of years, and they're back unless they dump off Klopp like idiots. City can bypass the normal transition/cycle period, partially because of their spend, yes, but also mainly because they have Pep Guardiola who frankly is a genius of a football manager who will go down as history as someone who was as impactful or more impactful than Cruyff. So unfortunately, that is what it is. Once Pep leaves, just like before Pep, City will have to live with normal football managers who are incapable of dominating year after year to the degree that Pep is.

Then what do you say? Again, even if we refuse, does the league stop with the sportwashing? Do the oil teams simply disappear or at least stay at the number they are? Well... no. We refuse and where will that get us? Fighting for midtable scraps? I'm the fecking first man that will say "feck all of this, introduce a draft system and a price cap where every team is more or less equal on the transfer market and team building", but that's just a fantasy, isn't it? I'd love an NFL system, even if United spend years being shit and not winning anything, because at least I know that it's a fair system and United are not competing very well. In the PL you basically have cheating clubs that are winning and not cheating. All that really matters is whether you're going to be on the losing side or not.

The Liverpool example is the perfect example. Klopp is by far the best manager at the moment, IMO. He truly single-handedly dragged a club from the swamp it found itself stuck in and turned it into legitimate title challengers and won a CL with them. Something I never thought Liverpool would be capable to do given the sad state they were when he took the reigns over there. Truly, the closest thing to SAF in modern day football. And yet even he is struggling hard right now because it doesn't matter how good he is as a manager, there's only so much he can do with the financial doping juggernauts. City, having almost an equally good manager, will trump him almost every time. And now the great team he built is falling apart, aging, it needs a thorough replacement. This will take a while. You mention SAF having a cycle, but that's not really the case. We've been actively competing for titles since '91. We had a period in the early '00's where we tried to find our footing after the treble winning team, but we were still right up there. I don't believe we ever fell below top 3 during those years. Liverpool are instead falling off the boil completely. I don't think they'll even get top 4 this season. And it'll get a lot worse before it gets better. That's the difference

City didn't need a 'genius' manager like Pep to compete for the titles. They could do it just as well as decent managers like Pellegrini and Mancini. Why? Because they could spend money to their hearts content.

And on Liverpool again - their squad needs a refresh for the transition. You know what they did? Spent 100m on Darwin Nunez who has been a flop so far instead of refreshing the midfield which has an age of above 30.
Let's face it, almost every even remotely quality player goes for 60-100 million nowadays. Was Darwin a stupid purchase? Most likely. But even so they need a whole revamp of not only their strikers, not only their midfield, but defense already. They don't have the money. If they brought some great midfielder, so what? You can stick Casemiro in their team and it isn't going to fix their problems. There are cracks all over and it will need a long time and money to fix. Time which Liverpool don't have and money that they don't have either.
 
Ineos aren't buying us. The Glazers might talk a big talk regarding leaving the club in the right hands but let's be honest, the rats will only care about selling to the highest bidder, and that'll be one of the Middle Eastern investment funds. No way Ratcliffe competes with that.
 
Even here Bayern are in the top 5 of wages. They also have the benefit of literally creaming the Bundesliga for the best talent at a discount because they all WANT to be there and there is NO competition. Hardly an endorsement for your argument.
Yes and United absolutely blow them out of the water in terms of spending, every single summer? My point is that United is not a club that will be limited by others getting sugar daddy ownership. There are many, yes, and it does change the landscape, yes. But people freaking out about United falling down to being a mid table club because "we can't compete with their spending" is fecking nonsense, because even with the Glazers who bleed the club out, we are still the highest net transfer spenders over the past 5 years (and past 10 years), and among the top wage spenders. Which is my point. The only thing that has limited United post Sir Alex has been bad decisions, not money. We could have spent half the net spend that we did, reinvested it into the stadium during that time, had 0 facility issues and we could've performed far more successfully on the pitch. Better managers, better transfer and spending decisions is all that is required for United to get back to the top (as we are seeing with Ten Hag), and then stay at the top, even with others having the oil money.

Yes, some clubs get fecked and limited to what they can now achieve. United isn't one of those, unless we make some seriously horrible decisions in the next 5-10 years where the revenue also dries up and we stop being a big money maker.
 
Probably not but you can expect whomever it is to leverage against the club and skim profits off the top to pay the interest or fund other ventures.

The Chelsea buyout was a consortium, and they're spending money like it doesn't matter, with the stadium to pay for yet for them, so what's the thinking here, reach a point where they have paid for a young squad and better stadium, and then start to take money out in dividends? In which case it'd going to take a very long time to get their money back, or sell the club on again in 5-10 years?
 
Something about this guy makes me uneasy about his intentions, may seem trivial but why would a so called die hard UTD fan have a Chavs season ticket ? Why the first to go public ? that late half arsed bid for the Chavs knowing it would be rejected just looked to me like an attention seeker..
Happy to be proved wrong but I’m still going for oil states
 
Something about this guy makes me uneasy about his intentions, may seem trivial but why would a so called die hard UTD fan have a Chavs season ticket ? Why the first to go public ? that late half arsed bid for the Chavs knowing it would be rejected just looked to me like an attention seeker..
Happy to be proved wrong but I’m still going for oil states
Hopefully the attention seeking part is exactly what this is.
 
Ineos aren't buying us. The Glazers might talk a big talk regarding leaving the club in the right hands but let's be honest, the rats will only care about selling to the highest bidder, and that'll be one of the Middle Eastern investment funds. No way Ratcliffe competes with that.

I tend to agree, if Ratcliffe buys us then ME interest just doesn't exist, and even then if Ineos are still the highest bidders, then it's likely to be for alot less than the £5 billion we keep hearing, so logically it seems unlikely to happen.
 
We wouldn't need to spend a billion quid a year on players. If we can maximise our revenues and be debt free, we'd be self sustaining enough to compete with any club. It's a moot point because either we're getting bought by the sheikhs or an American consortium. Probably. Maybe.
 
Etihad is a failing company. It's never posted a profit once in its entire existence. Unlike Emirates which is a far bigger and superior airline which is based out of Dubai.

The UAE has bought City as a means to enhance tourism and promote their own businesses. They haven't bought it because they love football or because they think it's a business opportunity. They could have made money far easier than buying a PL football club and pumping in the initial 1.5 to 2 billion or so that they did.

Surely you didn't need this explaining?
Well it does to you if you think Etihad Airways is a failing airline that's never made a profit
 

None of it is a coincidence. There is at least two separate stories one that is linked to Bazin using his relation with Sarkozy to sell PSG at a higher price by packaging it with assets that were "controlled" by Sarkozy through his cabinet, Realyze, assets that QIA were trying to purchase. The other is the one linked to the World Cup and a meeting between his minions and one of Qatar ministers for which Platini is a witness.
 
Damn Ratcliffe would mean no new stadium I reckon.

Arab states much needed to clear debt, fund new stadium and big revamp training ground

Yeah I can't help feeling like that even though I know Ratcliffe looks morally better
 
OGS Nice have changed manager 5 times during the last 6 years.

League positions varies from 5th to currently 10th during the same period.

13 incoming players this season, 9 last season. -75m Euros in net spend over the last 3 years.

Does not strike me with any confident.

That's shocking. Not saying he will treat United like that but if he does we won't compete
 
Huh? Are we suggesting Spurs can fund a super stadium in London, but United require state ownership to do similar?
There's no reason it would be cheaper in Manchester. And Man Utd are currently drowning in debt.
 
Madrid and Bayern are not competing with doped to the grills team in their league. They dwarf their competition and have a guaranteed top 4 place always, on top of having first knack for every player in their respective leagues... especially Bayern.. It's not the same.



Then what do you say? Again, even if we refuse, does the league stop with the sportwashing? Do the oil teams simply disappear or at least stay at the number they are? Well... no. We refuse and where will that get us? Fighting for midtable scraps? I'm the fecking first man that will say "feck all of this, introduce a draft system and a price cap where every team is more or less equal on the transfer market and team building", but that's just a fantasy, isn't it? I'd love an NFL system, even if United spend years being shit and not winning anything, because at least I know that it's a fair system and United are not competing very well. In the PL you basically have cheating clubs that are winning and not cheating. All that really matters is whether you're going to be on the losing side or not.

The Liverpool example is the perfect example. Klopp is by far the best manager at the moment, IMO. He truly single-handedly dragged a club from the swamp it found itself stuck in and turned it into legitimate title challengers and won a CL with them. Something I never thought Liverpool would be capable to do given the sad state they were when he took the reigns over there. Truly, the closest thing to SAF in modern day football. And yet even he is struggling hard right now because it doesn't matter how good he is as a manager, there's only so much he can do with the financial doping juggernauts. City, having almost an equally good manager, will trump him almost every time. And now the great team he built is falling apart, aging, it needs a thorough replacement. This will take a while. You mention SAF having a cycle, but that's not really the case. We've been actively competing for titles since '91. We had a period in the early '00's where we tried to find our footing after the treble winning team, but we were still right up there. I don't believe we ever fell below top 3 during those years. Liverpool are instead falling off the boil completely. I don't think they'll even get top 4 this season. And it'll get a lot worse before it gets better. That's the difference

City didn't need a 'genius' manager like Pep to compete for the titles. They could do it just as well as decent managers like Pellegrini and Mancini. Why? Because they could spend money to their hearts content.


Let's face it, almost every even remotely quality player goes for 60-100 million nowadays. Was Darwin a stupid purchase? Most likely. But even so they need a whole revamp of not only their strikers, not only their midfield, but defense already. They don't have the money. If they brought some great midfielder, so what? You can stick Casemiro in their team and it isn't going to fix their problems. There are cracks all over and it will need a long time and money to fix. Time which Liverpool don't have and money that they don't have either.
Klopp is not a better manager than Pep Guardiola, not in terms of dominating in the league. He is a great for sure, but he has also shown inflexibility at times which has led to their current position. Their squad isn't a squad that should be outside the top 4. Sir Alex is a great because how he managed to maintain us in the top 3 even while rebuilding. He kept the motivation and level high and could adapt better than anyone to keep us up there. Klopp had a similar drop off with Dortmund in his final season there. He is a great, but he isn't Sir Alex in the league. And besides, it's time for a rebuild for him like I said. Of course they will drop off a bit. The extent of the drop off is on him, but the fact that one is necessary is purely normal. Time will tell if he is capable of a rebuild. Only Sir Alex has shown the capabilities to do that over a long period of time so far.

Man City before Pep won the title twice and never won it back to back, and finished 4th the season before Pep took over. Pellegrini won the title competing with fecking Brenden Rodgers. Mancini is and was a top coach who has been successful everywhere he went, so yeah he won a title competing with Sir Alex, fair play to him.

My point is that these clubs yes have a big impact in football. Of course they do. But United, Madrid, Barca, Bayern are the very few clubs around who are exempt from being limited by them. Sure, they may need to be smarter in how they run their business. Sure, the consequences of ineptitude may punish them more than the past. But to claim that "we can't compete" is pure nonsense, considering we spend more (or at the very least, comparable), even with the Glazers in charge who bleed the club dry with the debt repayments and the dividends, and all this despite really bad decisions on the football side of things to limit our actual success and therefore income. We are lucky that we don't need to be a state funded club to compete at the top. Be thankful of it. Don't cry that others have a similar level of money now and you want that sugar daddy to put us back to being alone at the top of the money charts. We can compete and remain at the top by just not being run really poorly.
 
Thing is United are like Rolex...and with Real and Barca being impossible to buy, any person or State with money to burn wont pass up the chance purchase the most prestigious sports club in the land.
 
Ratcliffe is a United fan and therefore the least worst option. There would, undoubtably, be some difficult financial decisions given the state of the stadium etc but there's no reason the club couldn't generate enough money to remain competetive.
 
What are the chances of Ratcliffe/Ineos having got some sort formidable consortium together? He's surely not going to go it alone.
INEOs are worth billions, they have money spare, hence them buying Nice, they pay for that with spare change!
 
None of it is a coincidence. There is at least two separate stories one that is linked to Bazin using his relation with Sarkozy to sell PSG at a higher price by packaging it with assets that were "controlled" by Sarkozy through his cabinet, Realyze, assets that QIA were trying to purchase. The other is the one linked to the World Cup and a meeting between his minions and one of Qatar ministers for which Platini is a witness.
Airbuses, they have 16 narrow body A320 family with 7 to come and 5 A350 widebodies,
Boeing they have 49 widebodies wity 1 to come

10 A380's parked - more a Boeing operator than Airbus
 
The narrative that INEOS and Ratcliffe are paupers and would ruin United is baffling :lol:
People are weirdly under the impression that the only way to be successful is to be ME owned. Funny that not one of them has won the CL yet, but anyway...

It is absolutely correct to say that state funded clubs change the landscape and make it impossible for some clubs to compete. That just doesn't apply to us, and you have people on here trying to claim that we can't compete financially with them, when in reality we outspend them and just make bad decisions.
 
Like James Ducker has reported, expect other bidders to go public in the coming weeks. I'm personally expecting some big hitters from the ME or America to win the bidding. Someone like Steve Ballmer from the US could potentially emerge and he has the wealth to make things happen.
 
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