Club Sale | It’s done!

[Redstain]

We're back to talk of disrupting games again.

The Liverpool game was a one off. GMP were made a fool of that day and they won't let that happen again.

Ultimately, the biggest issue is the lack of coherent message from the current movement. A lot of clued up reds from previous years won't get anywhere near this whilst the wider message appears to be one of support for Qatar as the next step.

When match attendee fans protest the traditional way it's food and drinks for the owners, season ticket paid guaranteed revenue for the club. The reality is fans don't care enough to cause change because it would take radicalised efforts to get the Glazers to shift.

 

[Zora]

What I don’t get is, the club doesn’t make any personal wealth for the Glazers anymore. So why would they want the headache of owning an asset in serious decline?

It’s just a vanity project now, surely?

 

[Plastic Evra]

What I don’t get is, the club doesn’t make any personal wealth for the Glazers anymore. So why would they want the headache of owning an asset in serious decline?

It’s just a vanity project now, surely?

It still does ? They forfeited dividends this year out of their own volition but in 2021-2022 they still took the majority share of 30m£+.

 

[Offside]

Why would match going fans protest when the apparent alternative is Qatar? Some of you forget the people filling out the Stretford End aren’t glory hunting e-reds.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Hopefully if we aren't going to make CL then we do insanely shite and it makes the Glazers decide to sell.

A shit season would be worth it if they sold.

 

[McTerminator]

I agree with your overall sentiment but Brentford has only ever beaten us *once*. We've played them only four times in Premier League history and won three of those matches.

Fair, thanks for clarifying.

I suppose I’m looking at Brentford as another example of organisational success more than anything, but did think they’d beaten us more.

 

[Zora]

It still does ? They forfeited dividends this year out of their own volition but in 2021-2022 they still took the majority share of 30m£+.

I’ve heard on an Athletic podcast that they can’t take dividends anymore? Or is that BS?

 

[Acquire Me]

I’ve heard on an Athletic podcast that they can’t take dividends anymore? Or is that BS?

They don’t at the moment. I think they will sell, but it can’t happen soon enough.

 

[Yorke to Cole]

I’ve heard on an Athletic podcast that they can’t take dividends anymore? Or is that BS?

I heard that several months ago. Whether that is by choice or can't, a more financial expert that posts on here will have to answer.

I have not listened to Talk of the Devils since Carl Anka pissed me off with his self righteousness.

The latest I have heard is what I posted, was that INEOS have spoken with Raine but the 2 dicks want voting rights despite not putting money in. Ratcliffe has told them It is unpalatable.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I heard that several months ago. Whether that is by choice or can't, a more financial expert that posts on here will have to answer.

I have not listened to Talk of the Devils since Carl Anka pissed me off with his self righteousness.

The latest I have heard is what I posted, was that INEOS have spoken with Raine but the 2 dicks want voting rights despite not putting money in. Ratcliffe has told them It is unpalatable.

Surely taking dividends is all they live for.

 

[Woodzy]

So what’s the logic behind them still have voting rights? It won’t make them any more money, right?

 

[Rightnr]

Why would match going fans protest when the apparent alternative is Qatar? Some of you forget the people filling out the Stretford End aren’t glory hunting e-reds.

What an idiotic thing to say. If I didn't know some of the stupidity spouted on here, I'd guess you're trolling.

By all accounts, Qatar has very strong support among match-going fans and unless you can point to specific poll which says fans are vehemently against Qatar ownership, I'd tone down the high-horse bullshit.

Btw, you're online discussing United, so by all accounts you're one of those e-reds, just one presenting a dumb take.

 

[putzmcgee123]

Is there no hope now of any sort of takeover resolution?

For what it is worth, I can't see United finishing in the. top 5. I am not sure where the next win is coming from. We can't score goals and are conceding too many. Question marks over the keeper, we have no width on the right. I think we have untold problems.

There is no extended Champions league format coming here mate.

There is definitely still hope. It's just frustrating from our perspective to go from reading the reports in June from Reuters and Bloomberg all the way until now without anything of substance reported or confirmed since.

 

[Yorke to Cole]

So what’s the logic behind them still have voting rights? It won’t make them any more money, right?

It means that Ratcliffe or INEOS will find it difficult to kick them out after the put and call arrangement for them to sell their shares. It will be Ratcliffe funding everything and them 2 sitting on their arses.

 

[Yorke to Cole]

There is definitely still hope. It's just frustrating from our perspective to go from reading the reports in June from Reuters and Bloomberg all the way until now without anything of substance reported or confirmed since.

There is definitely logic behind what James Rhodes says (the United Muppetier.) If J and A wanted Qatar it would have been done by now. They want to stay in some capacity. It is going to take Jassim to raise his offer to put pressure on those 2 that would come from the remaining shareholders (class A and the other four Rothersthorpe and sisters.)

 

[Offside]

By all accounts, Qatar has very strong support among match-going fans and unless you can point to specific poll which says fans are vehemently against Qatar ownership, I'd tone down the high-horse bullshit.

Prawn sandwich brigade would skew the vote.

 

[FujiVice]

If we have a Chelsea like abomination of a season, is it really the worst thing for the long term future of our club?

 

[Offside]

If we have a Chelsea like abomination of a season, is it really the worst thing for the long term future of our club?

It wouldn’t a bad thing if we just changed the standards of our recruitment, so we waited to ensure players fit a long term plan rather than panic splurging to try and get top 4. But that’s not how this would happen, it would just genuinely be the first step to the road to being a midtable club.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Prawn sandwich brigade would skew the vote.

The "prawn sandwich brigade" are still our fans whether you like it or not.

 

[georgieworst]

I was at Sheffield Wednesday yesterday...they're having their own particular grievances with their ownership but the majority of the crowd made their views on him plain...they sung songs about his removal...and a banner thanking him for his contribution was defaced.

Wednesday lost at home...in truth they were awful...I watched Sheffield Wednesday quite a lot last season...they were in League One...I described going there to my friend (he's a Wednesdayite of long standing) as honest football.... you can buy a pint of IPA that doesn't taste like the Gnats available at OT and some pastries that doesn't taste like the cows forehead pies that Louis Edwards made a staple on the menu at OT also...the Premier League has lost its soul...well for me it has...his son took great pleasure in telling me that Utd had lost at home to a seaside club...I wasn't fazed...I replied that I hoped that Utd would finish in the bottom half of the table...this I explained might rid us of the cancerous Glazers.

My friend put the radio on to listen to 'Praise or a Grumble' it's a regular feature on BBC Radio Sheffield where all the fans of the local clubs in South Yorkshire are invited to ring in about their particular clubs and give either praise or otherwise...it struck me that quite a few callers that called themselves Wednesday fans were quite critical of those that were taking direct action in attempting to rid themselves of what they perceive as undesirable owners....direct action gave us paid holidays..rights at work....health and safety....and the right to vote in elections...the Tooth Fairy I'm sorry to say doesn't exist and just wishing that you'll find a shiny sixpence under the pillow by doing nothing other than wishing it will not bear fruit.

The World has run out of benevolent owners of sporting institutions...for all of you that decry Qatari ownership I raise you either American or British vulture capitalist ownership...wake up...the World isn't perfect and neither is the model of having either the two of the aforementioned as owners either.

I have followed Utd since 1968...I have experienced the highs and the lows....I have to tell you in all honesty that this is the only period of that history where I personally don't care...the Glazers and their apologists are responsible...Schadenfreude wasn't in my vocabulary before but I now want Utd to fail big style...I shall not spend one penny in OT until those parasites have left the building.

 

[Pes6Monster]

By all accounts, Qatar has very strong support among match-going fans and unless you can point to specific poll which says fans are vehemently against Qatar ownership, I'd tone down the high-horse bullshit.

I bet Qatar do have 'strong support' amongst the support, no doubt, but it is rather telling the lokes of the 1958 and MUST demand an end to the Glazers and never highlight their preferred successor.

It's because they know what it is, and why it is.

We are encouraging supporters to engage in illegal activity in order to prostrate ourselves in favour of an autocratic dictatorship.

Sheer entitlement. Human rights being subservient to United winning all the time, like city do. How dare we finish fourth again? Don't they know who we are?

We all know Qatar's state bid is to service Qatar and silence from those groups who demand we protest, sometimes on moral grounds, is because they know it is plain wrong.

 

[Valencia's Left Foot]

I think I would take relegation to get these vultures away from the club. Nothing is ever gonna change until they are gone. Serious protests needed.

 

[Valencia's Left Foot]

I bet Qatar do have 'strong support' amongst the support, no doubt, but it is rather telling the lokes of the 1958 and MUST demand an end to the Glazers and never highlight their preferred successor.

It's because they know what it is, and why it is.

We are encouraging supporters to engage in illegal activity in order to prostrate ourselves in favour of an autocratic dictatorship.

Sheer entitlement. Human rights being subservient to United winning all the time, like city do. How dare we finish fourth again? Don't they know who we are?

We all know Qatar's state bid is to service Qatar and silence from those groups who demand we protest, sometimes on moral grounds, is because they know it is plain wrong.

I just want to enjoy football again. Selective outrage is not at the top of my mind when I watch United with my family and friends every weekend. Give me Qatsr.

 

[putzmcgee123]

There is definitely logic behind what James Rhodes says (the United Muppetier.) If J and A wanted Qatar it would have been done by now. They want to stay in some capacity. It is going to take Jassim to raise his offer to put pressure on those 2 that would come from the remaining shareholders (class A and the other four Rothersthorpe and sisters.)

Personally, I think it is more a reflection of Joel and Avram being bigger pains in the arse in terms of realistic valuations of the club. Time will tell. Until then, it is just speculation and hearsay.

 

[Silverman]

We are a f**king mess of a club and it all lands at the Glazers door. Ferguson & Gill papered over the cracks but since they have left, it's been embarrassment after embarrassment.
They are greedy parasites that don't care about how their actions affect other people, simple as that.

 

[Yorke to Cole]

Personally, I think it is more a reflection of Joel and Avram being bigger pains in the arse in terms of realistic valuations of the club. Time will tell. Until then, it is just speculation and hearsay.

Absolute, fair point. It could equally be that, if not more so.

A lot commentators on this have either written or said that they were desperate for a Saudi based consortium to be involved.

 

[Pes6Monster]

I just want to enjoy football again. Selective outrage is not at the top of my mind when I watch United with my family and friends every weekend. Give me Qatsr.

Well, it is.

Otherwise you would not select to get outraged about the Glazers and how unenjoyable football (i.e. United) is because of them.

Certainly not to the extent you would make transparent excuses for what you know is wrong.

Qatar already have you.

 

[black country red]

Because of different reasons I haven’t been to old Trafford for a bit the second coming was the last time like the album of the same name it didn’t turn out great anyway I’m out of that groove and a bit curious is the the match day fan more sir Jim over Qatar and is Qatar more favoured by the internet fans.

 

[philippexyz]

I think I would take relegation to get these vultures away from the club. Nothing is ever gonna change until they are gone. Serious protests needed.

I would also take relegation in order to get them out, but I think they will drag the club into midtable irrelevancy first and then finally sell the club. The brand will be permanently, significantly damaged, tarnished, some other clubs in the PL will surpass us in popularity(City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham...). Newer generations will see Man United as new Tottenham, basically(or even worse), as Roy Keane already said recently - "They're the new Spurs! They're desperate!".

That will likely be our unfortunate fate. I wouldn't even exclude relegation and bankruptcy/administration either with that grotesque, incompetent, pathologically greedy family of goblins. Relatively soon, United will stop being taken too seriously, even in England. Less success - less sponsorships, revenue, relevancy, popularity...

 

[Yorke to Cole]

I would also take relegation in order to get them out, but I think they will drag the club into midtable irrelevancy first and then finally sell the club. The brand will be permanently, significantly damaged, tarnished, some other clubs in the PL will surpass us in popularity(City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle, Tottenham...). Newer generations will see Man United as new Tottenham, basically(or even worse), as Roy Keane already said recently - "They're the new Spurs! They're desperate!".

That will likely be our unfortunate fate. I wouldn't even exclude relegation and bankruptcy/administration either with that grotesque, incompetent, pathologically greedy family of goblins. Relatively soon, United will stop being taken too seriously, even in England. Less success - less sponsorships, revenue, relevancy, popularity...

That is very possible this season. I do not see United qualifying for the Champi9ns League and then you have aforementioned clubs like Villa etc that accumulate more points than us that would push us into 8th or 9th.

 

[Esquire]

Surely taking dividends is all they live for.

The Glazers are billionaires. They take out dividends because they are entitled to as shareholders but if you think about it, it’s not much for them over the years. What they really want is to realise their sale valuation of 6+billion, against what they initially put in (700m I believe) on a leveraged buyout (i.e. the majority of the funds were bank borrowings not even their own money). Even at 5+ billion these guys won’t sell… goes to show just how greedy these guys are.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

The Glazers are billionaires. They take out dividends because they are entitled to as shareholders but if you think about it, it’s not much for them over the years. What they really want is to realise their sale valuation of 6+billion, against what they initially put in (700m I believe) on a leveraged buyout (i.e. the majority of the funds were bank borrowings not even their own money). Even at 5+ billion these guys won’t sell… goes to show just how greedy these guys are.

Definitely greedy scumbags.

 

[Coops73]

Honestly, it feels like I'm watching the football equivalent of Blockbuster versus Netflix play out in front of my eyes when you compare us to City.

It's disgusting but is the obvious consequence of allowing American leeches to own the club the way they have over the past 15 years.

Essentially 5 or 6 people have taken something that is loved and adored by millions, they have taken that thing and destroyed it without feeling or consequence.

Maybe we’re all a little bit guilty of allowing that to happen.

It’s fecking tragic watching the slowest car crash in history.

 

[OldSchoolManc]

So what’s the logic behind them still have voting rights? It won’t make them any more money, right?

One of them has a hard on for Martial and possibly others.
It‘s the only possible explanation for certain players still being at United.
Once someone is mega rich, the only thing they can take pleasure in is the micro fekking around of people’s lives and future.
Seriously, it’s viagra for the desperate rich

 

[FujiVice]

 

[Big Ben Foster]

I mean... I would hope so

 

[MegadrivePerson]

Big day today?

 

[pocco]

Oh yeah, that old chestnut.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

To be fair Romano has always said "I know very little" so for him to all of a sudden change his stance and risk his reputation does give me a glimmer of hope.

 

[jadaba]

To be fair Romano has always said "I know very little" so for him to all of a sudden change his stance and risk his reputation does give me a glimmer of hope.

Sadly the article / interview itself [on CaughtOffside] doesn't involve him taking any stance or making a bold statement, he gives a sense that it's hard to actually get an idea of what's happening and that actors are keeping things secret. He essentially maintains the 'I know very little' stance but alludes to the very basic fact that 'things seem to be happening'. It doesn't feel like he's giving voice to any fresh developments at all unfortunately.