Telsim
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Not sure I agree. They appointed a very good manager who hides all their flaws. A good manager hides poor ownership, Klopp, Guardiola and Sir Alex all made the ownership look better than it was. Had we appointed Guardiola in 2016 instead of City then I suspect the majority of the football world would be gushing about how well run we were.
Translation? Not everyone here is a stock market guru
They are the implementers of the crap that we have been witnessing during their tenure (ie the scattergun transfer window last year and the dithering over Anthony, and subsequent extortionate price, or the weird goalkeeping situation). Sure, they have to follow what the owners want to an extent, but they made some weird decisions last Summer and Murtough has been in post since 2021. Both are key actors in the Woodward shitshow for many years before that.You can't be too Harsh on Arnold or Murtough. They have been hamstrung by their owners.
My thoughts as well.Oh no! Numbers!
Someone translate, please.
Because they are cnuts and so are republicans.
Don’t tell other people what to do.I grew up beliving that football is a thing that unites people regardless of their race, religion, orgin etc. Don’t mix politics into football.
I grew up beliving that football is a thing that unites people regardless of their race, religion, orgin etc. Don’t mix politics into football.
Don’t tell other people what to do.
But it COULD beThey don’t mean anything.
It is a classic Twitter and wallstreetbets post, where they think off-market volume = something fishy.
They are the implementers of the crap that we have been witnessing during their tenure (ie the scattergun transfer window last year and the dithering over Anthony, and subsequent extortionate price, or the weird goalkeeping situation). Sure, they have to follow what the owners want to an extent, but they made some weird decisions last Summer and Murtough has been in post since 2021. Both are key actors in the Woodward shitshow for many years before that.
If the Glazers are the fire, those two are the arsonists.
I see we have Libertarin as wellDon’t tell other people what to do.
I couldn’t be further from a libertarianI see we have Libertarin as well
But it COULD be
Because they are cnuts and so are republicans.
Still not relevant.
Glazers would still be cnuts even if they were not Republican
I see we have Libertarin as well
They wouldnt be in the position they are in if they werent republicans.
Also hows the wife and the art projects?
She's going OK. Need a good freelancer to help me with her website. Preferably not a republican
She's going OK. Need a good freelancer to help me with her website. Preferably not a republican
What does it mean?
Thanks for the breakdown, appreciate it!It’s a breakdown of turnover in the Man Utd share per venue of transaction. Off the stock market, sometimes referred to “dark pool” trading, is in reality just so called Over The Counter (OTC) transactions. You can either trade with a listed share through the trading system provided by the stock exchange or it can be made manually, in which case a transaction is agreed outside of the stock exchange and executed by a bank or a financial institute so that it’s recorded in the digital share register.
Dark pools are sometimes seen as a bit sinister. The idea is that if the people with the best knowledge, the most insight, makes transactions on the stock market their knowledge will fairly fast be reflected in the stock price. Simplified, if a share is worth 100 but an expert understand that it should be worth 120 — the expert will of course buy as many shares as possible until the supply/demand have lead to the price going up to 120. But if a too large piece of the transaction volume is traded outside the stock market (in a dark pool), it can mislead the public. In reality, he think most transactions made OTC is done to cover short positions etc, hedge options.
Anyway, the posted sheet shows that the volumes of shares traded OTC have dropped significantly on the 6th of January. But so has the volume of shares traded on the market too. I have no idea what could impact trading volumes like that — but these things are not that consistent. I wouldn’t rule out that there is some significance in this data.
What is important to not forget with these type of data is — if anyone understood what was going to happen to a listed company, before the info is published, it’s free money. Many many millions that just can be picked up for free. If you ask someone investing in shares if they have any sure fire investment tips, it’s like asking them if they knew a way to make many many millions without acting on it.
Before we see a movement in the share price of the Man Utd share, it’s very very speculative to look at these type of data and draw conclusions from any pattern.
Most teams will spend money stupidly. City are fantastically well run.
This. And currently the Democrats even more soDemocrats are cnuts too. They're both cnuts.
This. And currently the Democrats even more so
Democrats are cnuts too. They're both cnuts.
have you tried fiver?
We do not want the Qataris sustaining the rats in place. Need to fully sell
We need to retire this Cnut from here
This bloke gets quoted a lot but he never seems to actually get anything right
This report from ESPN is probably true:
“The Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamas Al Thani, owns PSG through Qatar Sports Investment (QSI), the country's state-run sovereign wealth fund, and sources have said QSI is fully focused on the Ligue 1 side”
https://www.espn.com/soccer/liverpo...ly-not-interested-in-buying-liverpool-sources
Sure, the UEFA rules preventing more than one club — simplified — being controlled by one owner could create inconveniences. But Red Bull has worked around it and all you have to do is to ensure the integrity on the pitch. It’s up to QSI to decide what they want to do.
But I just think that — if QSI — wanted to buy a PL club, wouldn’t we hear more about their involvement in the bidding for Chelsea, Liverpool or Manchester United? They are probably still my best bet for buying us, but not because I would attach a great percentage to it, I just think every other specific option is less likely (Ratcliffe/Dubai/Saudi/each of the US owners connected to Chelsea but losing to Boehly etc).
However, they could still of course participate in a consortium and buy a minority share. This is probably a lot more likely than them investing with the Glazers still in place — because the Glazer would still hold all control with their Series B shares holding 10 votes each.
It’s like in that high flying “dream scenario” I posted about a couple of days ago, I don’t really see any contradictory interest or roadblocks for a consortium built around Ratcliffe-Beckham-QSI — and if they need further financing, one of those US investment firms. Ratcliffe takes 51%, QSI 20%, Beckham 5% and the rest is left on the NYSE…
It’s a breakdown of turnover in the Man Utd share per venue of transaction. Off the stock market, sometimes referred to “dark pool” trading, is in reality just so called Over The Counter (OTC) transactions. You can either trade with a listed share through the trading system provided by the stock exchange or it can be made manually, in which case a transaction is agreed outside of the stock exchange and executed by a bank or a financial institute so that it’s recorded in the digital share register.
Dark pools are sometimes seen as a bit sinister. The idea is that if the people with the best knowledge, the most insight, makes transactions on the stock market their knowledge will fairly fast be reflected in the stock price. Simplified, if a share is worth 100 but an expert understand that it should be worth 120 — the expert will of course buy as many shares as possible until the supply/demand have lead to the price going up to 120. But if a too large piece of the transaction volume is traded outside the stock market (in a dark pool), it can mislead the public. In reality, I think most transactions made OTC is done to cover short positions etc, hedge options. But a lot of regulations have been put in place to force banks etc to report OTC transactions too.
Anyway, the posted sheet shows that the volumes of shares traded OTC have dropped significantly on the 6th of January. But so has the volume of shares traded on the market. I have no idea what could impact trading volumes like that — but these things are not that consistent. I wouldn’t rule out that there is some significance in this data, but I personally wouldn’t attach any meaning to it.
What is important to not forget with this type of data is — if anyone understood what was going to happen to a listed company, before the info is published, it’s free money. Many many millions that just can be picked up for free. If you ask someone investing in shares if they have any sure fire investment tip, it’s like asking them if they knew a way to make many many millions without acting on it.
Before we see a movement in the share price of the Man Utd share, it’s very very speculative to look at these type of data and draw conclusions from any pattern.