I bid 6 billion! But let me speak to the banks first for a loan.
I cant promise I will invest or the club in players because I'm broke as feck - SJR
But he's british right!
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I bid 6 billion! But let me speak to the banks first for a loan.
I cant promise I will invest or the club in players because I'm broke as feck - SJR
But he's british right!
Voodoo Sheikh by Jassimi Hendrix
You’ve got debt the size of a mountain
I’ll chop it down with the wealth of my Dad
You’ve got debt the size of a mountain
I chop it down with the wealth of my Dad
I’ll pick up all the pieces and buy Mbappe…
Might even develop some local land
Cuz I’m a Voodoo Sheikh, Voodoo Sheikh
Lord knows I’m a Voodoo Sheikh!
The Raine Group are taking their sweet time
They’ll get right back to me one of these days…
The Raine Group are taking their sweet time
They’ll get right back to me one of these days…
If I don’t bid anymore in this sale…
you’re stuck with Jim Ratcliffe and his cycling mates…
Cycling mates!
Cuz I’m a Voodoo Sheikh, Voodoo Sheikh
Lord knows I’m a Voodoo Sheikh!
Jassim just cannot sheikh him off
One of those things we'll never know for sure because wherever he's been, he's had a world class team or was allowed to build a world class team with funding.
For what it's worth, I think Klopp could've done it if he was at City and was backed the same way.
May as well shut the thread until then
Hahahahaha
Is this the longest this thread has gone without a post in the last week?
Do one - I'm not telling any other Utd fan how they should feel or act if a Qatari (or any other state) bid is successful, and I don't need some random telling me how I'm going to act. I've got no interest in being a geopolitical plaything for a state, and I'll be damned if they're going to get an ounce of my love for a club that I've supported for 35 years
I grew up in the north of England - but moved to Australia a few years ago, so I'm already at a distance - watching games live means waking up at weird times and most people around me aren't that fussed about football. I've felt increasingly disengaged from football in general since the Glazers took over, but I still love Utd. I've supported the club since I was 8 (35 odd years now) and teenage me would never have believed I could ever lose that love - but I've no interest in giving my time and loyalty to the political plaything of a nation state, I'd honestly rather see us relegated. So if we are bought by Qatar I'll simply walk away. It's far less of a sacrifice than it would be for someone who goes home and away, but it'd still be a huge part of my life - I still spend a lot of time reading about football, on the caf, listening to podcasts etc - and I'd miss that. But I can't honestly see any way that I could keep supporting the club under those circumstances. I'm not saying other fans should do this - just how I feel personally
I think that requires a massive amount of integrity. I’m in a similar boat, so I know how hard it is
oh look, you’re having the exact same argument with someone again
I get it; you think it's a state bid, and you seem triggered when it's pointed out there is no evidence of a state bid. Keep up posting it's an incontrovertable state bid..
We've been here; i'm not holding a believe that is incontrovertable.
I get it; you think it's a state bid, and you seem triggered when it's pointed out there is no evidence of a state bid. Keep up posting it's an incontrovertable state bid..
We've been here; i'm not holding a believe that is incontrovertable.
oh cool now I'm the one you're having the exact same argument with
tell me more?
Pretty much same as myself; I grew up in northern England, I've supported United since a boy, I've moved to Australia, and like you, I've been less and less engaged with the club ever since, due to a number of factors. As you say, the drive to watch and talk about football isn't there. Back home it was all we talked about, go to the pub and watch the football, talk to mates and strangers about the football. It doesn't happen here, everyone is watching and talking about AFL instead (go Richmond!). As such, I follow my footie team as much as I do United now. There's also the getting up at 1 in the morning to watch a game, the disconnect between players and fans (they're multi, multi millionaires now, back in the 80's only the very elite ended up making good money out of the game), plus the artificial financial doping rise of Chelsea and City just turned me cold to it all.
I'll still follow the results, and I'll still be pleased when United win, but it'll never ever be like it was again. Mbappe or anyone else would never compete with Eric or Robbo as a legend in my book. I don't judge anyone and if people want to win at all costs then fair enough, but I'm close to just giving up on the whole thing now in all honesty.
To not believe that this isn't directly or indirectly a state bid you need to be very gullible or deluding yourself because you want the $ to spend on players and the ground. There is no way that the purported bidder is wealthy enough to buy this on his own, especially when no ROI is expected. It stretches incredulity well beyond breaking point. I get that some people want to be like City, and have a sugar daddy with gazillions of dollars to spend on vanity/sports washing projects, but be honest enough just to say you don't care about the ethical concerns raised by a Qatari state ownership.
I’m in a very similar position and totally agree. I’ve been a supporter since I was 5 or 6, so 40+ years. I used to live in Manchester and go a lot of home games when I could. With football changing, change in geographical location, and mainly the Glazers, my engagement has waned.
I’m still invested in the club, watching games on tv, reading forums, my kids still have a jersey each year, but I feel more and more alienated from the club I’ve loved for so long - like it isn’t ours anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time.
A Quatari takeover would finish things for me sadly, I’d prefer to walk away than watch us become a puppet playing thing for an oil nation state. At least with SJR there is a hint of a local connection. /shrug.
It’s painful to say, but should the Quatari bid win out, I’ll take a big step away from the club too.
If I was the Glazers I would be milking the crap out of Qatari, using SJR as a leverage.
This is a very weird response and has, very little, if any, relevance to my position on the takeover. Oh, what is the meaning of delusional? Like i said, i'm not holding a position the is incontrovertable.
What? so this is another way of saying, Nice aren't worth investing big money unless if our ambition to get the club thats worth it didn't come into fruition.
They did invest alot of money
You are fooling yourself that it isn't a State bid because you want the football $. People avoiding issues with the INEOS bid are the same except generally to a lesser extent.
He was a hermit living at times in a barrell in the marketplace, masturbating in public and quarrelling with the city intellectuals (like Alexander The Great), so he probably said more than most hermits, but maybe not so much ‘hi’, fair enough.
There is FOUR long term United fans on one page talking about how if Qatar took over they couldn’t carry on supporting the club.
Surely, anyone with empathy would not want this. Surely, you can see the issues it is causing.
Surely, anyone with empathy would not want this. Surely, you can see the issues it is causing.
But from that tweet, not all the money they could use to fund a football club. Which means they've been holding back. Let's just say that.... if SJR bought United, that's most of Nice's money gone.
I believe United are one of the Clubs which can compete without major external investments as long as we have Competent management .
And it holds true even for Glazers , what we need more is to get right people running the show rather than just new owners . Despite all the Damage done by Glazers mismanagement over the years we still generate enough money to achieve all the things Supporters want including upgrades to the Stadium or new Stadium , competing for Trophies if we some how get the people who knows what they are doing in the management . Might take bit longer under Glazers if they stay but it's still possible .
So for this very reason I am not too fussed about who owns United anymore We will be fine and hopefully thrive who ever ends up owning United .
Sir, as of yet nobody has provided evidence of a state bid, not one shred, nothing and you think stating there is no evidence of a state bid is fooling myself?
Again you're jumping to conclusions about what I want and think.As of yet, I haven't excluded the HBJ branch, with investors, not state, of the Al Thani house buying united as a Qatar power move within the Al Thani house.
I wish I was as broke as Jim.
This
One thing I'm wondering is why should I/ anyone stop supporting the club just because the Qatari or whoever buys the club? The club is more than the owners too right? Could it be argued that thru thick and thin means supporting through whoever the owners are?
Genuinely asking.
That’s a fresh new take in this thread.
Yes.
Don't know what that is. Will investigate and advise.
Nike trainers?
Absolutely. Yes.
The whole 'yeah, but you participate in society' argument is disingenuous. Cars, mobile phones and footwear relate to necessity (not necessarily), whereas your favourite football club ultimately do not
No, it really is not.
Supporting Qatar's state bid is supporting Qatar's variety of human rights abuses. They do not need your one hundred percent consent, just your image and ticket fee. It's how sportswashing works.
The former however presents a good opportunity. Go to OT and protest protest protest, just as we did with the Glazers. That would contravene their plan. I'm willing to do such but the mainstream supporter groups are not. Deeply depressing.
'Diogenes of Sinope says hi'
I would emulate Diogenes whenever Sheikh Jassim or Ratcliffe ask me what I what: I want them both out of my light!
'That’s a fresh new take in this thread.'
It is a legitimate question despite the caricature.
'The same comments are repeatedly used by the pro Jim'
Whataboutery.
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The same comments are repeatedly used by the pro Jim camp that anyone who wants the Qataris wants to be like city and spend ‘gazillions’,as you put it, dollars. It has been explained several times by a large number of pro Qatari supporters that they want the Glazers gone in any capacity which is a huge red line. Any new owner who is happy to keep them in knowing the hatred the fans have for them is a big red flag. Also the Qataris have made promises on facilities including the ground and debt which they will be held accountable while Jim has said nothing. It would appear he knows the fans aren’t going to be happy with his plans so he is keeping tight lipped because he doesn’t want it ti come back and bite him on the arse when he doesn’t deliver. Better to promise nothing and not be held accountable. Slippery.
Couldn't care less.
I admire your beliefs.
Just out of interest, who would you go on and support if it wasn't United? Would you quit Prem teams altogether and go lower league? Wrexham?
We don't really have to guess because Klopp has largely matched Pep whilst operating with a much smaller budget. Whislt at the two clubs they pretty much have the same record in Europe(I'd say Klopps done even better) and domestically there's been basically nothing between them for years until now when Liverpool have gone into a rebuild.
It's what I don't understand from those who think we have to be state owned to compete.
No, a smaller club with smaller revenues than ourselves has played brilliant football and won major trophies whilst competing with Pep/City.
Completely understandable in your circumstances then and probably much easier to do.
Like I said in a previous post, I was very much of the same mindset when the talks first began but I just can’t do it presently.
I do feel quite similar a lot of the time though and also think that there will be a breaking point with me where I walk away too
I don't have to check, as I explained they have unions in name only.
This 'debate' is just dishonest point scoring.
To be blunt, these losses will be nothing compared to the losses that will be had if we don't catch up to city in the next decade. We will become the arsenal of the next generation. The kids will support Mancity.
This is it in a nutshell for me. I'm sick and tired of other fans saying if you support Qatar then you support the regime, you're all for human abuse, you just want mega money...
No.
What I want is:
1. The Glazers gone.
2. A new owner who I believe will run the club properly, first and foremost and not just take cash out of it. Just run it properly and let it do its thing.
3. Investment in the team and the manager backed. I'm not wanting every superstar player being bought with unlimited wealth. United more than make enough money as it is and I just want that pumped back into the club for the manager to use.
4. Investment in Old Trafford and/or a new ground.
5. Investment in training facilities.
That's it. It's purely about football and what I believe will be the best for the club, not politics, they are two totally separate things.
I can still support United and the Qatar bid but be against some of the things they stand for. I have the ability to compartmentalise, some fans don't.
Exactly, Cancelo was a full back. We all knew about Cancelo but Pep took him up a level and brought new facets to his game.
Obviously they'd be nowhere without the money but Pep turned them into the dominant force they are now. Before they reached a good level but were never as good as they are now, even with the money they had pre Pep. And I'm sure there'll be a drop in level after Pep.
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