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I agree.
Some people unfortunately don't know how much 6bn actually is.
Saudi for example have barely invested 500 mill on players, their total investment in Newcastle is most likely less than a billion and they had Newcastle finish 1 point behind us this year, imagine what you can do with 6.
I don't think I am considering either way the Glazers will be getting roughly the same amount of money from both bids but stand to make more in the long run if they pick Ratcliffe. Which blows my mind as to why Jassim doesn't offer more seeing as how his wealth is apparently ridiculous
If I am wrong i'm willing to take an L on it but from all reports it says that he still hasn't technically outbid/outvalued Ratcliffe's offer, in 3 bids.
Indeed, but they're going to make the money either way. Unless SJ replicates the Friar Tuck killing the bishop scene from Robin Hood Prince of Thieves, I don't really see what it matters.
Yes they are effectively the same but what gives SJR the edge is that he is giving the Glazers a way to stay at the club. For me, that's why he will win.
There’s a time and a place for a bit of fun
Feel like I've seen you say this before
If Qatar offer 6.6 it’s theirsFeel like I've seen you say this before
PSG are established as one of the top European clubs, they've spent a lot of money sure but so have many others.
The fact is their claim to fame before Qatar was 1 league title and having Ronaldinho play there for a few seasons
Take PSG out of the equation why can't Jim compete for a top 4 finish? fair enough he doesn't want to invest hundreds of millions into Nice to win the league but a European finish should be a bare minimum objective and if it Isn't that owner should be nowhere near United to begin with
To add to this, maybe that’s why the Qataris have advertised the additional $1bn investment on top. They’re saying to the Glazers’s “Look we have another billion to play with here. Stop messing around and tell us how much of it we need to add to the offer to get this done”.
First off there are class A and class B shares which makes those calculations way off. Most of those that are floating off the nyse are without voting rights - hence a lot less expensive.
I don't mean this as a joke, can someone credibly explain who is actually offering more
I don't get it? When are these cnuts leaving? It's like they want to feck the next season, as well.
They don’t care if they feck next season because they’re utterly abysmal owners
I mean Qatar are offering more in the literal sense - but they want 100% of the club. Whereas Ratcliffe is offering a better 'value' deal for 50.1%, which will obviously be a smaller figure, but he's offering it at a higher price per share.
Unclear but it’s very close
Which is what i've been saying but people are saying he's bidding under half the amount that SJ has, which technically isn't true
That I do understand but if we fast forward to the scenario of Jim buying the remaining Glazer shares, how would that look? I guess we don't know the call option price he'd have but I'm assuming it's not going to be stupidly high per share.
Yeah not matching that figure says to me that Jassim doesn't want the club bad enough
My interpretation of this play by the Qataris is that they are:
- Seeking to push this saga past the finish line.
- Have a better defined cap for what they are going to offer.
Additionally, this acts as a stopgap for the Qataris that will stop the Glazers from just using the improved bid in hopes of getting a better bid from INEOS/whoever else.
TL;DR - The Qataris are telling the Glazers, "here is a bid for 100% valuing the club almost matching INEOS' valuation. Go exclusive with us before Friday and we can negotiate further. If not, we're out."
They’ve fecked every season since they took over, why would they start caring now?
There are plenty of reasons. For one, Abramovich took over Chelsea for sportswashing reasons the same as the Arab owners. They don't care about losses. They don't care about being sustainable. It is about buying fans for their cause to cover up ethical issues, to use as a political driver for outside of football things, to be a puppet for the state, or for money laundering. Chelsea won the lottery by not being fecked when he got kicked out as he wrote off the 1.5bln debt they owed him, because he wasn't allowed to get any of it.
Ratcliffe is a normal owner who isn't interested in just pumping loads of debt on the club, which then fecks the club when they leave. He took over right before COVID. Are you going to pretend like that had 0 impact on the sustainability of football clubs? Of course it takes time for any normal owner to make an impact. And FFP is around now, which limits club with smaller resources at breaking through the ceilings.
It is around half in actual cash.
Berba spends that at Greggs daily
Go back 12 months and 99% of people here would have piped off their grandad to get SJR in... "We don't need state funds like City as we can do it ourselves with the right owner , SJR saviour etc etc"
Qatar rears its sportwashing machine and everybody fecks off their values and original thoughts.
I'd rather Qatar myself for the simplicity of it, but fecking right I'll take SJR over the Glazers remaining in control.
Minority shareholders gives them feck all, absolutely feck all
Qatar rears its sportwashing machine and everybody fecks off their values and original thoughts.
I'd rather Qatar myself for the simplicity of it, but fecking right I'll take SJR over the Glazers remaining in control.
Minority shareholders gives them feck all, absolutely feck all
That's purely hypothetical at this stage, and it would be hard to project what the share price would be and the club's valuation in the future. But in theory it could be more than the £5billion Qatar is offering when you compound it all together. My guess is the Glazers still feel that the club hasn't fully amassed its commercial potential, so feel they'd be able to garner a lot more when they sell off their remaining share in the future.
That’s also my interpretation. We shall see!
Why don't they just beat the offer?
So it will be more money in longterm? What they get now, divi on shares and then whatever SJR pays for their shares down the line?
Even 3 hours feels too long to wipe the feckers out of this world.
At this point I couldn’t care less who it is, we just need this to be resolved asap so we can move forward with ETH transfer plans.
Look tbh, I don't really want an owner that just wants to come in and make us sustainable, so if that's all Jim can offer rather than returning us to the top then thats not really a plus point for him
So Jassim is still £600m short of Ratcliffe valuation,if so there is no hope of them ever matching the INEOS one
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If they pull the plug, what's stopping Ratcliffe lowering his offer knowing he's the last man standing?
If they pull the plug, what's stopping Ratcliffe lowering his offer knowing he's the last man standing?
An owner coming in and running us smartly is literally all that we need. We don't need a sugar daddy, and if they aren't smart owners, then we won't get any closer to City.
No the gap isn’t that big. It was ~$400 million before the new bid. It’s roughly equal to it now I think
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