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Having that kind of money doesn't mean cash either. Nobody is spending billions in cash for anything, never mind United. There's a loan here whoever the bidder is, and if there wasn't a loan it'd be someone who knows that their investments were increasing less than the repayments which would be worrying. Unless you're apple and they're considered an outlier.
Ratcliffe is worth £15 billion, Ineos revenues are a lot more. The Qatar wealth could be more or less, but it's meaningless at those figures anyway.
Be interesting if they do go for another football club in Europe should they fail to buy us.
I wonder if perceptions might change on here if they do that and put another Qatari as the front man. Be quite a difficult sell to Spurs Liverpool or anyone else for that matter with a so called Utd fan at the helm wouldn't it?
How can anyone want that kind of leadership? I don't get it. It's just fake.
I wonder if perceptions might change on here if they do that and put another Qatari as the front man. Be quite a difficult sell to Spurs Liverpool or anyone else for that matter with a so called Utd fan at the helm wouldn't it?
How can anyone want that kind of leadership? I don't get it. It's just fake.
That's a niche reference
Being subjected to that shite back in the day, my main takeaway from it was that cockneys are unhinged and violent at all time.
You’ve just manufactured a scenario and then got annoyed about it as if it’s just happened. Do you often do that?
I think most people just don't really care about the ownership, it might as well just be a name on a piece of paper, it's only really recently that owners have become well known, obviously us with the Glazers and their disastrous ownership, but before the Glazers, I wouldn't have even known what the owners looked like, in the current social media the owners have become bigger figures, but you watch the players on the pitch and the manager on the touchline, that's most people's connection to the club
But rule changes have come in to stop them overspending now anyway so it's not a free run anymore.
Let's not forget City are still in hot water with the PL too. For them to publicly come out against City and tarnish their own league's reputation some what they must have some serious evidence they are up to no good.
We don't need to sell our souls to be successful. We just need to employ better people in the club which is why the Glazers have to go
Accurate.
I have faith in you to look it up yourself and come to an opinion based on it. In the meanwhile, that's enough to rethink your current perspective that those opposing Ratcliff aren't justified. In fact , that have the most relevant example and precedents to stand on.
Out with the Glazers and their new financier Rat cliff.
Their source of funds documentation would definitely be an interesting read. Whether it is or isn't a reason for their scope to offer more being limited, it's certainly easy to imagine it being one complication.
Don't those rules only apply to on field spending, so Qatar could invest heavily in the stadium and the facilities without an ffp issue, also I mean if ineos can just take on our debt, then surely it isn't an issue to get a no interest loan from Qatari owners and let us spend more than we could, that's if it's so easy to just write off debt.
If jim takes over and does invest heavily, I'll be delighted, I'm just skeptical because he didn't promise it in his initial statement despite the obvious pr benefits, yet jassim did. That's where I'm at, that's my reservations with Jim, he had a chance to score some easy goodwill with the fans by making the same promises jassim did, but he didn't. If he does these things anyway, then I'll be delighted, but until then I reserve the right to be skeptical when it seems so obvious a thing for a potential owner to do, unless they have no intention to do it
I am speaking specifically about Ratcliff's worrisome history with football clubs.
Analyzing the Sheikhs ownership ought to be a separate conversation. It is possible that this is a choice between undesirable and undesirable. In which case, do you choose the guaranteed failure or go with the unknown who also has a better written proposal and unsaddled the club from debt.
I have, at least briefly anyway. Doesn't seem to be the disaster some suggest, but also isn't a success, at least if the basis for that is competing for the title as a minimum.
The general feeling from fans and players falls somewhere between acceptable to fairly happy and optimistic going of the in depth research known as googling stuff.
I choose incredibly rich English business man who happens to be from Greater Manchester and is a United fan over being a Political and sportswashing tool for a abhorrent regime in the ME any day of the week. Not even a contest.
If Qatar weren't in the picture your stance on Jim would be oh so different too and you know it.
Exactly which is I don't get why people moan if this fails Qatar will move to Liverpool. If Qatar don't win this bid then it shows they're never as serious as people thought. Which would be the same result for Liverpool, yes they'd cost less but who would cost over 4bil valued at 3.8bil so you need to sweeten the deal, also have with dept and needs a new stadium. Not to mention the father of Jassim has been on record saying this is bad business, which would the same issues with Liverpool.
My sources say that Ratcliffe is to be named the preferred bidder.
My sources say that the Qatari offer is to be named the preferred bidder.
My sources say that a secret third bid is to be named the preferred bidder.
Raine are no mugs and deal with major acquisitions regularly so you better have everything in order when dealing with them.
When one of those 3 things happen I'll quote the appropriate post and claim to be ITK.
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Have you been reading the Sun? Shame on you for that!
I'm split. 33% of me believes you entirely, another 33% doubts every word you say and the final 33% is intrigued.
The 1% is owned by Ed Woodward.
Again, if you'd offered city an owner at the start of summer 08 to guarantee them top 6 each year, they'd bite your hand off, but that doesn't change that abu Dhabi was much better in a sporting sense for them
City fans has already started getting a bit giddy with their first corrupt owner back on 2008.
Thakson! What a lad he was
We should hold ourselves to higher standards.
But besides that, If we win with broken rules and shady payments, then any won trophies will mean as little as city's.
Wonder if he's ever been back to Thailand. If he's still knocking about I'm guessing not.
The 92 foundation has been set up specifically for the purchase of Manchester United, for it to end in the failure to buy the club would be quite embarrassing for Qatar to say the least, I suspect early next week they will really show their true bidding hand if they are serious about buying the club.
Would love someone to actually explain why they think Qatar would be better owners than Ratcliffe. They can't even afford the club but we're supposed to be believe they'd invest billions into the squad and stadium. Bunch of absolute chancers.
You're entitled to feel that way.
I see Ratcliff ownership based on Britishness to be way too similar to Sir Alex's decision to go with Moyes as manager. Likewise, many fans' preference to a British manager versus a foreign one.
I appreciate that football is England's game and clubs like Manchester United, have begrudgingly (to locals) become global sporting brands. So I understand wanting to keep it as local as possible but think it's incredibly detrimental to the health and success of United in the long run.
I would much prefer to keep the club competitive until the FA instates stricter mandates on fielding English players for example.
I also think the anti-Qatari state discussion is rooted in racism and nationalism. I can't quote five posters here who have that opinion that didn't watch the World Cup let alone friends and acquaintances in real life. It's a lot of hypocrisy and covering up of xenophobic sentiment. Either that or willing ignorance of the atrocities committed by the likes of the United States. As a proud American I'm also ashamed of what we've done over the last 20 years since 9/11 let alone our entire history as a nation. Most recently with immigration, police brutality, white supremacy, Guantanamo before that, the financial terrorism creating a billionaire oligarchy, and so on. Is Qatar in some sort of different moral stratosphere than the US or England to me? I can only laugh at that.
The moral compass argument is complete bull sht but y'all are welcome to feel so. Just please don't shove it down the throats of others or belittle them for not feeling the same about it.
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If you think the state of Qatar genuinely can't afford 5 billion then that's quite a strange belief.
If we're being perfectly honest, no one really knows. Both the Qataris and Ratcliffe can be good or bad for the club.
tbf somewhat to our lot, a very good portion of the Liverpool fans will do the same as United fans have done if a Qatari bid come calling their way. That lure of infinite money is too hard to ignore. And also I'm certain, the same fans supporting the Qatari bid will cry out sportwashing, oil club etc etc at Liverpool fans the first chance they get.
They can afford the club, but I would imagine they don’t want to be taken for mugs and overpay. I have no idea who would be the better owner, mind.
If either the US or the UK states were trying to buy Manchester United then that would be a valid comparison. But they're not, so it isn't.
INEOS is a private limited company in which Ratcliffe owns a controlling 60% stake. He has two business partners who each own a 20% stake.
This is the price for that poison Dan Snyder to finally relinquish ownership of the NFL's Washington Commanders today. It's a new record for the most expensive sale in sports: $6.1 blllion (£4.9 billion) for a team that has not done shit in decades.
The Glazers better not expect too much above that amount from any bidding group.
The Glazers better not expect too much above that amount from any bidding group.
Gary Neville interviewed by an American sports channel criticizing the glazers
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