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No, once bought by Qatar, or any other nation state, they become part of our history - and it's a dirty, squalid, nasty part of our history. Built upon exploitation of migrant workers, and repression and denial of human rights. I don't care if we can't compete with City, I'd rather we finish mid-table than sell our soul. Besides, you say we can't compete with City without state investment - but City haven't won a CL yet - constantly defeated by non-state owned clubs. PSG haven't won a CL, and are an absolute shambles of a club. There are plenty of ways to be well run and competitive without state investment.

I agree with you, it would be much better that someone other than state owned bought us providing they had the funds, I’m just totally and utterly glazers out at this stage. They just have to go. Qatar is the only other option and maybe, just maybe they will want to do things the right way and have the clubs interest at heart.
 
Have you ever actually read anything by the author of the articles or are you just wanting to get your knickers in a twist?

What got you so butt hurt ? Fair enough it's your choice if you want to lap this up as acceptable, but I think it's at best lazy journalism and at worst, let's just say sweetened.
 
What got you so butt hurt ? Fair enough it's your choice if you want to lap this up as acceptable, but I think it's at best lazy journalism and at worst, let's just say sweetened.
Butt hurt? Are you 12? I'll take that as a no, you've never read anything by the author.
 
I had a random silly thought in my head regarding the Qatari bid. Then I just happened to see someone else suggest the exact same thing on Twitter

So now that it is 100% confirmed as true, I thought I'd share:

(Note: I don't actually in any way believe this to be the case for real, before I become the threads punching bag)

What if they joined this race and purposely lowballed the bids knowing they'd be rejected, to send a message that they won't just throw money at anything and are sensible businessmen who'll walk away from a bad deal... Before of course buying Liverpool next year and signing Mbappe for £200m

From media stories, their bids don't seem very serious. They'll be smart enough in reality to know that the Glazers only want money, yet their leaks seem to be centred around what is best for the club (again, something the Glazers don't care about)
 
Here's part of the issue with some journo's who are dead against any Qatari bid for United



Liew has stilled pinned the United article in his twitter, despite the more recent wankfest over Haaland and Guardiola

Anyone who is "Qatari In" and who has half a brain will find it very very easy to wipe the floor of any journalist claiming United are ruining football

Could just google the journalists name with "Guardiola", "manchester city" or "newcastle" and you've found yourself a hypocrite

People like him (and there's loads) aren't objecting to human rights abuses, they're objecting to United becoming good again. Simple as that. It's sad
 
Some of you sound like Donald Trump supporters. Read Jonathan Liew's articles, there is nothing to be angry about. Some of you throwing around the word 'racist' should be fecking ashamed of yourselves.
 
Nobody in their right mind would give up a majority control involving approximately $1B for each individual against a minority ownership with such unstable security. Zero chance.

That’s why a scenario with a passive minority owner isn’t a option for any involved parties.No promises in the world, bulletproof contracts or whatever would change that. Being extremely greedy or a shady businessmen is one thing but flat out stupid….. Ask yourself. Would you accept such an offer instead of pure cash in your pocket?

The only reasonable option for both bidders is to buy all shares from the six Glazer siblings in one installment. 69%. What the potential buyers can do is to offer other outside business deals or joint venture projects but only as some sort of sweetener to make their bid more competitive.

I think the key aspect in the selling process is who has the ability to pay everything right away when the deal is done. The bidder who can do so is probably also the preferred buyer who get a period of exclusivity to close the deal.

That’s my take on the subject of the willingness to be a minority owner.

And nobody is paying around 3billion not to have complete control.

Minority shareholders have virtually no power. In some instances, those with 25% or more can block some decisions but the Glazers would have less.
 
Isn't this already Manchester's history given this is also England's history.
Exactly. You only have to come as far as india to find out the honourable history of the mighty British empire.

All this moral posturing in a capitalistic society is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.

You are already associated with a dark and squalid history. Millions of people died of famine in West Bengal because Churchill refused to open up the granaries to maintain adequate reserves for the army during WW2.

Britain takes FDI from all these places even today yet morality comes into the picture only when the investment is directed at a football club?

If it is allowed under the current constitution and law then morality shouldn’t be a consideration in a capitalistic set up. Else vote for someone who would set up rules to ban all investments from regimes with dubious human rights records.

Really sick of this argument.
 
:wenger: how is The Guardian racist?

Seriously - the wild and random assertions of racism on here is getting ridiculous. The quality of the football forums is going to the dogs.

In the spirit of going back so far in time that you can find just about anything you want, the Guardian once supported the American slavers.
 
And nobody is paying around 3billion not to have complete control.

Minority shareholders have virtually no power. In some instances, those with 25% or more can block some decisions but the Glazers would have less.
But Glazers are willing to have 2b odd in shares and not have total control themselves?
As soon as the shares change category they lose a lot of their value since they’re giving up voting control for..what?
The argument works both ways.
 
But Glazers are willing to have 2b odd in shares and not have total control themselves?
As soon as the shares change category they lose a lot of their value since they’re giving up voting control for..what?
The argument works both ways.

But thats just not how it works.

They wouldn't hold 2bn in shares either. At point of sale, they'd be worth £1.15bn at the inflated value, ignoring the fact they would be slightly reducing their current share so would also receive a small payout now as well.

They'd probably be given a minimum price for a future sale or a futures as Dr Dwayne stated before. Meaning they just need to sit back and do nothing, knowing they've got Xbillions coming in X years at a bare minimum.
 
But thats just not how it works.

They wouldn't hold 2bn in shares either. At point of sale, they'd be worth £1.15bn at the inflated value, ignoring the fact they would be slightly reducing their current share so would also receive a small payout now as well.

They'd probably be given a minimum price for a future sale or a futures as Dr Dwayne stated before. Meaning they just need to sit back and do nothing, knowing they've got Xbillions coming in X years at a bare minimum.

It's a dangerous strategy. I'm surprised they're even considering it.
 
The story about the three players Qatar wanted to buy unnerved me a bit.

It's not up to them. It's up to ETH.
 
Whether it's SJR or Qatar, we just need this to hurry up really. It's clear that our rivals are advancing with plans for next season, and we're likely going to be playing catch up in the window.
 
But thats just not how it works.

They wouldn't hold 2bn in shares either. At point of sale, they'd be worth £1.15bn at the inflated value, ignoring the fact they would be slightly reducing their current share so would also receive a small payout now as well.

They'd probably be given a minimum price for a future sale or a futures as Dr Dwayne stated before. Meaning they just need to sit back and do nothing, knowing they've got Xbillions coming in X years at a bare minimum.
But they’d get a huge price for their shares if they stood still anyway?
Being able to sell shares in the future isn’t a plus point, they can do that anyway. Point is they would have so much of their net worth tied up in shares without any control. The very point you argued against in Jim’s case.
 
:wenger: how is The Guardian racist?

Seriously - the wild and random assertions of racism on here is getting ridiculous. The quality of the football forums is going to the dogs.
Look up the anti semetic cartoon they were called out for
 
The silence from the Glazers is really pissing me of :mad:

We are already in May, and the first information about the sell or the investment we had is that they want to do it in the Q1 in 2023 !

We took 3 rounds of bidding and week later there is still no answer from this Leeches .

The big clubs are already moving in the Transfermarket, and we still don't know if we are going to have new owners and what is our plan, everything with this parasites is complicated and terrible from top to bottom.

The pricks need to decide what are they doing as soon as possible and move away from Old Trafford and Manchester United .

We have 2 extremely good bids for our club and both of the bids are giving them close to 1bn dollars each of this disgusting family cockroaches ! Whom they don't deserve :mad: at all .

I get a feeling that the fans need to put more pressure on this vultures !

Lets hope we get some good news today or tommorow because i cannot stand them at all anymore .

If/When the Glazers sell this is going to be happiest day in my life and we will be free from their slavery !

#GlazersOUT
 
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To the clowns who want Jasim, how is being bailed out of the debt using oil money different from what City, and PSG have done?
 
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