Club ownership | Senior management team talk

[alexthelion]

"Sir Jim Ratcliffe believes his decision to cut about 200 more jobs at Manchester United is necessary to help the club avoid going bust"

What the feck is this shit I'm seeing in the guardian?
How fecking incompetent do you have to be to not be able to make money off a cash cow like United. Just fecking sell the club. Disgusting, parasitic motherfeckers.

That would be the cash cow that has lost hundreds of millions over the last five years?

 

[caid]

That would be the cash cow that has lost hundreds of millions over the last five years?

We've spent hundreds of millions on Casemiro, Anthony, Sancho and Mount before we even talk about wages. We've spent billions on interest payments completely unrelated to running the club. Stop making braindead decisions for 5 minutes or avoid another multi year pandemic and we'll be back covering their losses elsewhere again before long.
Or they can take their cheapskate, parasitic, odious, brexit supporting, tory voting, cnut faces elsewhere and sell up preferably.

 

[bringbackbebe]

Can someone help me make sense of this BBC article?

The argument is that money saved can be ploughed back into the first team, and the club estimated the last round of redundancies would save around £45m per year.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c74me120lv8o

It says firing 250 people has saved the club £45m. That equates to £180,000/person/year. I'm guessing most of the staff who were sacked were administrative/operations staff who are more likely to be on £50-60k/year. What explains the gap?

 

[croadyman]

I’m all for cutting unnecessary costs but it’s something pretty much every day. When the drag along rights in May activate, I wonder if any parties test the water with the Glazers

Who actually has the funds to do that though

 

[Fridge chutney]

How the feck haven't we replaced our data team? That's really unacceptable. Properly leveraging data is one of the most effective ways to deliver efficiency, and after pissing away so much money on transfers we fecking need it.

Firing a few normal people instead is just shitty and bad management.

 

[P0GBA]

£40k maybe average salary. 150 staff gone maybe. That’s £6m a year for the war chest!

Surely the net gain will be a fraction of that. 150 staff must be providing some value and generating some revenue for the business even it it's only half of what we're paying them.

 

[acnumber9]

At least get that right.

Yeah, that’s the important part.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Can someone help me make sense of this BBC article?


It says firing 250 people has saved the club £45m. That equates to £180,000/person/year. I'm guessing most of the staff who were sacked were administrative/operations staff who are more likely to be on £50-60k/year. What explains the gap?

The total cost of an FTE is a lot more than their salary. You add on stuff like expenses, company car, health insurance, pension etc No idea if this makes £180k year justified in their calculations or not.

 

[Matt851]

The total cost of an FTE is a lot more than their salary. You add on stuff like expenses, company car, health insurance, pension etc No idea if this makes £180k year justified in their calculations or not.

But there is also the cost of paying the staff off. Would be suprised if the savings are as high as stated.

The idea of cutting the football department worries me, as does the lack of investment in the data and analytics side of the organisation given Ratcliffe stated it wasn't good enough.

Ineos also appear to be in some trouble generally

 

[romufc]

There’s a difference between sacking and redundancy. If you make someone redundant then you cannot advertise or hire for that role for a year.

On the other hand if someone was sacked, they’d have to be given a good reason why they’re sacked and have been on a HR disciplinary path.

Yes, I know that but there are always ways round it. I am glad you mentioned there is a difference, you also know that its not INEOS being cheap because redundancies cost alot of money, especially with staff that have been there for a long period.

When a club is failing as badly as Manutd have, drastic measures have to be taken, whilst as fans we keep thinking its only the players and managers, in reality it could be deeper than that.

This could also be in the running of the club, if new management comes in and thinks the organisation is overstaffed, they will make redundancies.

I give the best example there is at the football club, we had a 1 out of 5 hygeine rating... yet people are wondering why staff are getting sacked or made redundant, there is incompetence running throughout the club, not just on the playing field.

 

[MaxZorin]

Can someone help me make sense of this BBC article?

You can make good sense of a media source's intention by looking at comment sections underneath articles. It displays the audience they are attempting to cultivate.

The serial offender in this regard is the guardian. It has JJ overdrive, a constant steady slew of United In Crisis articles readied no matter the occasion. But that's their business, nothing else.

A keen, uninterrupted eye is nigh-on impossible to uncover with United, but, if there was one, they'd point to the club's precarious financial position (Glazernomics) and accept, in the world of psr, something has to give.

Yes, it's a crock for Brian, Jim, Rosie and Kath, but the club is clearly attempting to remove high-earning, low-performing players, like Rashford and Casemiro. Mount and Shaw likely soon, too.

Whether or not a new approach will meet entitled supporters or soup-stirring journalists remains to be seen.

I doubt it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

But there is also the cost of paying the staff off. Would be suprised if the savings are as high as stated.

The idea of cutting the football department worries me, as does the lack of investment in the data and analytics side of the organisation given Ratcliffe stated it wasn't good enough.

Ineos also appear to be in some trouble generally

I’m not, for one moment, trying to justify the redundancies. Just explaining what the maths might be behind those calculations.