City fans opinion on transfers

I think thats spot on.

United fans like to kick up a stink about City spending huge sums, but there's a reasonable prospect United will spend more this summer - and to be fair its needed.


Hard to say which of these statements is more absurd. Just to be clear, City have, once again, more than doubled our record spending for one window. The best one was last year when we set that record, and then City went out and spent more than us anyway, on utter dross.

They've replaced Tevez and Balotelli with inferior, but far less troublesome players. Fernandinho is a bizarrely overpriced mediocrity, but obviously superior to Gareth Barry. Navas is the good signing, and the player they've been crying out for for a long time, presuming he can keep it together. Really though, their predictable spending of 100m isn't the issue, their most important move is getting in a genuinely competent manager. Decent chance they'll finish above us, I'd say.
 
Is it just me or should City have signed a CB? maybe they will yet, but they seem way too focused on bringing in attacking options, when their defense isn't anything special at all.
 
I think that's a bit harsh. I think if anything it reeks of them noticing their weaknesses and improving it. Every player they signed was a position they were crying out for. Whilst they may be slightly over priced (City will always pay a premium) they have potential to be very good signings and could turn around their fortunes really.

Fenandinho is an upgrade on Barry/Toure/Javi Garcia/Rodwell??
Navas, I totally agree that was a signing that they needed. But hten again they pissed away Johnson and signed Sinclair for little to no point whatsoever.
Negredo is a complete sidestep on Tevez, but at the club is currently Dzeko and Aguero and that imo is plenty to fit in and at 27 for 20m? It's not exactly "crying out imo".
Jovetic is the one signing that they probably needed. Can play as a false 9 and can play all the way across the front 4 basically and in behind. That single signing alone would have been enough imo.

Their signings haven't really been 'WERE IN DIRE NEED HERE GUYS LETS SIGN PLAYERS TO COMPETE'. Imo anyway.
Good signings yeah for sure but new signings aren't the be all and end all. There is a myriad of problems with bringing in a string of players. How are they going to fit all of these players in? On big wages they all aren't really striving to bleed for the shirt.

I dunno.. Apart from Jovetic and Navas they are more indulgence signings imo. What was the point of Javi Garcia and Rodwell?
 
Just to build on my 'decent chance' comment, City have now spent more than three times what we have on transfers since they became ADUG FC (637m vs 202m). You've got to hand it to them really, being, at best, possibly our equals on the field after all that...its a real achievement.
 
Fenandinho is an upgrade on Barry/Toure/Javi Garcia/Rodwell??
Navas, I totally agree that was a signing that they needed. But hten again they pissed away Johnson and signed Sinclair for little to no point whatsoever.
Negredo is a complete sidestep on Tevez, but at the club is currently Dzeko and Aguero and that imo is plenty to fit in and at 27 for 20m? It's not exactly "crying out imo".
Jovetic is the one signing that they probably needed. Can play as a false 9 and can play all the way across the front 4 basically and in behind. That single signing alone would have been enough imo.

Their signings haven't really been 'WERE IN DIRE NEED HERE GUYS LETS SIGN PLAYERS TO COMPETE'. Imo anyway.
Good signings yeah for sure but new signings aren't the be all and end all. There is a myriad of problems with bringing in a string of players.

I dunno.. Apart from Jovetic and Navas they are more indulgence signings imo. What was the point of Javi Garcia and Rodwell?



I'd not compare Fernandinho with Toure, I'd imagine they will both play in midfield so it's not really the comparison to make. He's probably better than the other 3 though, they're good squad players but you always need to seek improvement. Barry is pretty average really, Garcia is very inconsistent and never really settled and Rodwell is young and injury prone.

Negredo I agree is no better than Tevez, personally I'd actually rather have Tevez as I think he's a much better player but then his contract was running down and he apparently didn't want to sign a new one so they were left with little choice. Tevez was always going to leave and if they didn't replace him they have 2 proven strikers, it's no where near enough, if 1 gets injured or loses form they're screwed. Dzeko is a good squad player at best for a top team in my opinion so they'd be relying on Aguero all season.

I don't think they urgently needed players, they finished 2nd in the league so are hardly awful but sometimes you need some new blood in the team to freshen things up, there was signs of decline from players last season in terms of fitness. Silva never got going so Jovetic can provide competition for him as well as other roles, Toure looked knackered by February so Fernandinho and the likes of Rodwell can support that role and they simply didn't score enough goals with Aguero struggling for injury.

I agree when you say Navas is the key signing for them, I think he's got the potential to really damage teams next season with his pace and energy late in games, something he's done a few t imes for Spain.
 
I am talking about fitting them all in. You can't really just drop Fernandinho there and play 5 in midfield and 1 up front then what was the point all together?
Apart from having three forwards now all trying to play 1 or 2 up. Imo there was really no need for Fernandinho other than to have another possibility deeper in midfield from Barry/Garcia/Rodwell. Silva and Nasri have to fit in as well.

I probably went a bit all over the shop but the underlying point I am trying to make is that they have just signed a bunch of 'in the mix' players. Hart/Kompany/Toure/Silva/Aguero is the arguable spine of that team. Mixing in a dash of lads to prove themselves is a far cry from spending obscene amounts of money to bring players to the club who may or may not bleed for the shirt. etc.

A lot of last season can be put down to 'feck it, we won the league..' That's a hard mentality to shake when you're on shitloads of money. When you want more you strive for more. When you have feckloads of money and you don't achieve your goals? feck it. Who cares.

Can you honestly believe that anyone in that squad apart from Kompany/Hart and maybe the odd one or the other really backed up last year to give 110% for the shirt? I honestly can't believe that at all.

The way their squad has been assembled there aren't a lot of 'you can leave him out and he won't care' type of players. You can't just sign 33 for the squad and say they will all play first team and pay them shit loads.
 
I think when you look at the players they signed though they'll know their roles. Taking Fernandinho, I'd say he's better than Garcia, Barry and Rodwell in that position. Added to the fact Toure tends to get exhausted every season once they lose him, or his presence, they seem to struggle a lot so you'd imagine that allows them potential to rest him and not lose as much quality as they did. Navas I'd again argue is now their best, or at least most productive, winger. The other players who can play there, Sinclair, Milner, Nasri and Jovetic aren't as good as him for me. Sinclair never gets a look in, Milner is just a "steady" option and Nasri isn't really at his best on the wings. Navas will give them the pace to get up and down which they lacked at times. The other 2 I'd agree are squad players but Negredo will get goals I'd imagine and Jovetic is a young player so there's potential there.

I think the problem with the spine of their team you've got there is only 1 of them performed consistently all season and that was Kompany. Hart made about 5 or 6 big errors, Toure and Silva looked fecked by the new year and Aguero never recovered from his injury in September really. It seems like they're making assurances that they've got quality in the positions so them players won't go a miss. We're fortunate Carrick and RVP stayed fit all season for example as without them (especially carrick) we'd of struggled big time.

I think you sum up part of the problem with the 110% for the shirt point. City know that most of their players aren't arsed about the club, but that's the same for most football players I'd imagine, they will be in it for money really. But in order to get the big money they've got to perform. City identified that most their team, and their spine, didn't perform so had to sign players really.

I agree to an extent with your last point but that should be what footballers are like. You should care you've been left out as you then strive to improve. If a player was happy to sit on the bench for 38 games a season then they shouldn't be in the squad anyway, these players should give them the motivation to up their game. City for me last season were very very average, sure the players like Silva and toure have the ability to get back to their best but when there's no direct competition whats your incentive to do that? You know you'll definitely play, at least now if Toure plays poorly he knows that Fernandinho may take his place and slot in alongside a Barry or Rodwell. If Silva plays poorly there's potential now to use Jovetic there, same with Aguero and Negredo.
 
There you go I even forgot Milner who is a medal winner, feck him. Bring someone else in.

I'll reply to the majority of it later ogg, busy at the moment but it's an interesting discussion about the fundamentals of a club such as theirs!