Cisse to Arsenal

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This is where I really hope TribalFootball have got their quotes wrong! :mad:

Arsenal's French influence is expected to help Arsene Wenger head off the interest of Manchester United and Juventus in the race for Djibril Cisse.
The powerful Auxerre striker is a priority target for all three European giants and is expected to be sold at the end of this season.

Cisse has confirmed he'd love to move to Highbury and revealed the presence of the Gunners' French players could well influence his final decision.

He said, "I'd love to join Arsenal. I've never hidden my desire to play in the Premiership, and they really attract me.

"When I'm with France I talk with Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira and Sylvain Wiltord. They say they've a superb team and impeccable organisation.

"And London is a beautiful city, of course."
 
Fab aint going nowhere, i dont understand this constant attitude towards Fabien Barthez, the guy is a feckin good goalkeeper that most teams would die for, yet many at OT seemingly want him out.

Just look at his performance on the weekend does that strike you as a man not worthy of the number one jersey at OT, I THINK NOT!!!
 
Originally posted by SPACEY:
<strong>Would they be able to afford Cisse though? They made a £22 million loss last season</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but they're selling Viera to us. ;)
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Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>It was mentioned on Sky yesterday too. He's been asking the Arse French players about their team. Doesnt look good for us. I'd like to know why Micky, Fab and Larry arnt speaking to him about our setup. Mebbe its because all 3 could be on their way out ??</strong><hr></blockquote>
Fabs a bit of a loner
Blancs not in the french squad anymore
Mickey? prob just trying to concentrate on keeping himself in the french squad.

Henry,Wiltord & Cissee are all forwards so probably all hang about together a bit more. whether or not thats enough to make someone sign for Arsenal, time will tell.
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If i were Cisse i would join Manutd because

1 At Arsenal there is more competition ( they have wiltord, berkamp, henry , jeffers, barrett and Kanu)

2 If he fails at Arsenal,it means that he is inferior to his french team mates Wiltord and Henry.

3 Wenger is a moaner and you would finish with a headache every single day :)
 
We shouldn't dismiss the entire possibility of him playing for us based on a quote from Tribalfootball. Even if it is true, you will have to note that he also said that Liverpool were infront a few months back. He's simply making statements that speak to his familiarity with French players and managers, as one would expect from a young player who is about to play abroad.
 
I usually totally disregard anything TribalFootball has to say, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth to this story.

It'd be a shame because I'd love to see Cisse play for us. But looking at it objectively, you could understand why he'd want to go to Arsenal. I remember hearing a French commentator say that the French kind of view Arsenal as a French team playing in England. He'd be going to a team where he'd share the same language/culture with a lot of the players and the manager. He's probably good mates with some of the players there already. And London isn't a bad place to live. Also, as much as I hate to admit it, Arsenal are playing beautiful/winning football.

When you look at what's been expected of Ruud/Ole this year (I just finished watching the Fulham match on TV where poor Ole was outnumbered, out-muscled and was playing against guys who were 6 inches taller than him...but bless him, he still managed to score)... But if you were Cisse and you saw how our strikers have been used this year, would you be beating a path to our door? Strikers want to score. They want to play in formations and teams that enhances their chances of scoring. True, I think most would be willing to play a sacrificial role if this meant winning trophies. But if you're not winning trophies, you're asking for a lot from an up and coming world-class player like Cisse (who has no allegiance/connection to United)... to expect him to choose us over other top European sides where he can play a much more attractive role.
 
Red15, we could always outbid Arsenal. Djibril would definitely start for us, whereas he would have to duke it out with Wiltord at the Arse.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Red15, we could always outbid Arsenal. Djibril would definitely start for us, whereas he would have to duke it out with Wiltord at the Arse.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I believe Wiltord has been playing right wing for Arsenal so far this season and it has been Henry and bergkamp/Kanu up front. Cisse can easily fit in there. I've always thought Arsenal was the most likely destination.
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Originally posted by sidsutton:
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I believe Wiltord has been playing right wing for Arsenal so far this season and it has been Henry and bergkamp/Kanu up front. Cisse can easily fit in there. I've always thought Arsenal was the most likely destination.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't think there'll be any space for Wiltord in Arsenal's midfield once their back to full strength there.
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If Cisse's half as cocky as it appears I can't see a challenge for a starting place being a problem for him..

Us or the Arse if he comes to England I reckon, both with French managers, and both of whom he has expressed an interest in joining...

I don't think we need him tho...
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Don't think there'll be any space for Wiltord in Arsenal's midfield once their back to full strength there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? He's been tearing it up there for the frst part of the season and Wenger does seem to like him. I'm trying to remember Arsenal's midfield from the end of last season -

was it Pires on the left, Parlour on the right and Ljungberg in the middle with Vieira?
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Not sure what they used last year, but they just have too much depth in midfield, especially when Gio VBH gets back. That will make it Pires, Ljungberg, Parlour, Vieira, Van Bronkhorst, Edu, Gilberto Silva, and Toure that Wenger will have at his disposal.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Red15, we could always outbid Arsenal. Djibril would definitely start for us, whereas he would have to duke it out with Wiltord at the Arse.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but players decide where they want to go these days. And would we really want a player who wanted to go to Arsenal, but only came to us because Arsenal couldn't afford him? (All right, I have to admit that I probably want him badly enough that I probably wouldn't say no faced with the choice. But you get my point...)

Also, WOULD he start for us? Would we revert back to 4-4-2? Fergie is really attached to his 4-5-1. It amused me to read articles about last weekend's match where the reporters were talking about how United had a burning need to buy another striker as Fergie was forced to play Scholesy out of position due to RVN's injury and how this unbalanced the team on Saturday. As we all know, Fergie's been playing Scholes and Giggs "out of position" all season even when Ole was available as the second striker. He's not doing it out of necessity. He's doing it out of choice. So, if we bought Cisse, would Fergie all of a suddenly do a 180 and embrace 4-4-2 again?
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Originally posted by Red15:
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Yes, but players decide where they want to go these days. And would we really want a player who wanted to go to Arsenal, but only came to us because Arsenal couldn't afford him? (All right, I have to admit that I probably want him badly enough that I probably wouldn't say no faced with the choice. But you get my point...)

Also, WOULD he start for us? Would we revert back to 4-4-2? Fergie is really attached to his 4-5-1. It amused me to read articles about last weekend's match where the reporters were talking about how United had a burning need to buy another striker as Fergie was forced to play Scholesy out of position due to RVN's injury and how this unbalanced the team on Saturday. As we all know, Fergie's been playing Scholes and Giggs "out of position" all season even when Ole was available as the second striker. He's not doing it out of necessity. He's doing it out of choice. So, if we bought Cisse, would Fergie all of a suddenly do a 180 and embrace 4-4-2 again?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fergie is attached to the 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 because we don't have the proper player to play along side Ruud. We need a guy with great pace who can compliment Ruud's physical in the box style. That player is Cisse, and his addition would almost certainly mean a change in formation and more goals imo.
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We played 4-5-1 last season even when we had Cole and Yorke. Alex believes in 4-5-1. I believe it'll bring about the end of our era.
 
Raoul, do you know why FSW arent showing French football any more?

Ronaldinho, Duff or Cisse would be a great signing.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>We played 4-5-1 last season even when we had Cole and Yorke. Alex believes in 4-5-1. I believe it'll bring about the end of our era.</strong><hr></blockquote>

im of the belief we've reached the end of our current era. Or more to the point Arsenal & Liverpool have both caught up to us and in Arsenals case surpassed us right now.
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Arsenal are catchable imo. If we keep up with them and are not too far behind by January (4-6 points) when we can add to the squad then we will have as good a chance as anyone imo. That period in which we play the Arse, City, Poo and the Toon will be crucial.
 
How many goals has Cisse scored so far? What's his goal rate? Are You sure he wouldn't be like Forlan? (since I only saw him play for France in the WC. wasn't too impressed either)The only thing I noticed was a powerful shot, no aim.
 
Arsenal's front line is pretty tasty at the moment, and it hardly needs improving. They have people like Aliardiere and Jeffers coming through, so i doubt the fact that Wenger would want to spend a buckeltload on Cisse. The same would go for Liverpool, as they have 3 good striker and Emile Heskey, plus i am always hearing good things about this Neil Mellor kid. But i think it will come down to 3 crucial points:
1. We have more financial clout than the two of them
2. Neither of them needs another striker
3. They both have new stadiums to finance.

I really hope we can get Djibril Cisse, he looks a class bet for the future. :)
 
Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>How many goals has Cisse scored so far? What's his goal rate? Are You sure he wouldn't be like Forlan? (since I only saw him play for France in the WC. wasn't too impressed either)The only thing I noticed was a powerful shot, no aim.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You just need to see him for Auxerre. Some of the goals he scores are amazing. We had the French league here last season but for some reason they seem to have stopped coverage. Comparing him with Diego isnt fair on either of them. Forlan is improving and has potential as a winger more so than a striker, Cisse is just a class act.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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im of the belief we've reached the end of our current era. Or more to the point Arsenal & Liverpool have both caught up to us and in Arsenals case surpassed us right now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed. And the gap will further increase if cisse goes to either the scousers or the arse next season. I think we should set our sights on gudhjohnsen instead.
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Originally posted by Gazza:
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You just need to see him for Auxerre. Some of the goals he scores are amazing. We had the French league here last season but for some reason they seem to have stopped coverage. Comparing him with Diego isnt fair on either of them. Forlan is improving and has potential as a winger more so than a striker, Cisse is just a class act.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks

;)
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Fergie is attached to the 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 because we don't have the proper player to play along side Ruud. We need a guy with great pace who can compliment Ruud's physical in the box style. That player is Cisse, and his addition would almost certainly mean a change in formation and more goals imo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree that we need a player like Cisse. We are badly in need of some pace up front. We've had some matches this year where I think a pacey striker would have made all the difference. But I don't agree that we don't have a player who's currently capable of playing alongside Ruud in a 4-4-2 formation. What about Ole? What has he done wrong? That strikeforce was so successful for us last year.

I still don't buy the argument that Fergie's playing 4-5-1 in the league because he's lost faith in the Ole/Ruud partnership. It was good enough for him last year and they won a lot of matches for him. When you look at the points that we dropped in the run-up to the title last year and at the vital CL semi-finals match against B Leverkusen, there was only one match where Ruud and Ole started together where we dropped points and that was against Derby County. Against Middlesbrough, Ole was injured. Against B Leverkusen, Fergie opted for Seba as the 2nd striker and against Arsenal he started Diego with Ole. So, I don't see how Fergie can feel that the Ruud/Ole partnership has let him down. And given the options available to us, does anyone here honestly believe that the RVN/Scholesy or RVN/Giggsy partnership is better than the Ole/Ruud partnership in the league...especially when we can play RVN/Ole AND Scholesy and Giggsy all in the same team? Given our lack of goals in the league, don't you think it's more important to have an extra striker out there, especially one as lethal as Ole?

I still think that 4-5-1 in the league has more to do with Fergie accommodating his midfielders than anything else…

But as far as Cisse goes, Auxerre is playing Arsenal tonight. He didn’t play against them a few weeks ago due to injury. But hopefully he’s fit again and we’ll all be able to get a good look at him tonight.
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I dont think we should set our sights on Gudjohnsen, he's good but he's not UTD class. If we are going to add a player then it should be a world class player, whats the point otherwise? I heard that Trezeguet is off to Arsenal next season so where would that leave Cisse?
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>I dont think we should set our sights on Gudjohnsen, he's good but he's not UTD class. If we are going to add a player then it should be a world class player, whats the point otherwise? I heard that Trezeguet is off to Arsenal next season so where would that leave Cisse?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I see, so gudhjohnsen a proven premiership and international striker is not utd class but a 1-goal-in-30 games striker called diego forlan is?
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ok havent seen much of cisse though i like what i hear. tell me someone:

1. how quick is he? quick as henry? quick as Dennis Rommedahl?
2. how tall is this geezer? is he a normal healthy human henry size or owen carnival-folk type?
3. what about ball control, skill? creativity?

"i need some answers (dammit)" etc

ok so i'm probably trying to ask can he be as good as henry, but this is coz am getting really quite bitter about him being at arse now. :(
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>oh leave forlan alone lchk, its gone on long enough.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think Itchy had gone on quite long enough ages ago.
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>
Fabs a bit of a loner
Blancs not in the french squad anymore
Mickey? prob just trying to concentrate on keeping himself in the french squad.

Henry,Wiltord & Cissee are all forwards so probably all hang about together a bit more. whether or not thats enough to make someone sign for Arsenal, time will tell.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fab gets on well with all the players in the French team (even during the last game for France he crossed the pich to congratulate Govou, after his goal, and he gave a friendly hug to Mexes after the game). But obviously Cisse has more in common with the likes of Vieira, Henry and Wiltord. During the World Cup he was always with Wiltord.

Last year Cisse said he would favour Liverpool or United, now it's Arsenal...He seems to follow the wind (although toight he may have changed his mind <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> ). Obviously he knows the coach is French, that French players reach their best with him, and the team is working well.

Still, it would be a crime to let Arsenal or Liverpool get him without even trying. The guy is pure class.
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Originally posted by Nistelrooy10:
<strong>How many goals has Cisse scored so far? What's his goal rate? Are You sure he wouldn't be like Forlan? (since I only saw him play for France in the WC. wasn't too impressed either)The only thing I noticed was a powerful shot, no aim.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He was the better scorer in the French championship last year. As for the World Cup, he wasn't playing at his level, like most of the French players, including Henry and Trezeguet, best scorers in England and Italy so it means nothing. Like Henry he's very quick and the England championship is made for him. Henry scores even more goals in England than he used to score in France.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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I see, so gudhjohnsen a proven premiership and international striker is not utd class but a 1-goal-in-30 games striker called diego forlan is?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Eidur is an excellent player, but I think the priority signing for us is very simply someone with pace. We have been missing something since Cole left and Giggs has slowed down considerably. So, we dont really have an outlet to conter attack - Cisse/a pacy striker would be the best option
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