Christopher Vivell | 25th Feb 2025: Appointed Director of Recruitment on permanent deal

On reflection, .yes you're all right, and I definitely don't want to venture to any other forums to see fo rmyself!

I guess my frustration at the lack of progress on the actual pitch boiled over - it's totally right that we need to focus on the refresh of the business side. For me, having seen Ineos at Nice, and also following Brailsford in cycling, I am very jaded by the lot of them.
 
On reflection, .yes you're all right, and I definitely don't want to venture to any other forums to see fo rmyself!

I guess my frustration at the lack of progress on the actual pitch boiled over - it's totally right that we need to focus on the refresh of the business side. For me, having seen Ineos at Nice, and also following Brailsford in cycling, I am very jaded by the lot of them.
The thing, though, is that success or failure are cooked in the boardroom before they manifest on the pitch. Blinders and blunders are made in the Executive Suite first, imagine 40 years ago there was a guy who identified Sir Alex and was probably the same guy who decided to back him when he was under the kosh. Sir Alex, deservedly, takes the glory but without that guy he'd be a legend elsewhere or just another bitter pundit.
 
Been quite encouraged by his work so far, bring on the wonderkids.
 
Accidentally asked on the wrong thread:

Does the article explain why they've made it permanent?

Just from the outside looking in, our recruitment is still abysmal. I'd have hoped for at least 1 success story before we jumped to making it permanent.
 
Accidentally asked on the wrong thread:

Does the article explain why they've made it permanent?

Just from the outside looking in, our recruitment is still abysmal. I'd have hoped for at least 1 success story before we jumped to making it permanent.
From what I gather Vivell's skillset is in negotiating with clubs and agents once we have identified the players we want to sign. By all accounts our summer dealings went smoothly and we got good prices for all of the transactions. Same with Dorgu.
 
From what I gather Vivell's skillset is in negotiating with clubs and agents once we have identified the players we want to sign. By all accounts our summer dealings went smoothly and we got good prices for all of the transactions. Same with Dorgu.
Agreed. Regardless of what one thinks of the players we acquired, the actual process was an enormous improvement over the embarrassing sagas of previous years.
 
Accidentally asked on the wrong thread:

Does the article explain why they've made it permanent?

Just from the outside looking in, our recruitment is still abysmal. I'd have hoped for at least 1 success story before we jumped to making it permanent.
I mean he was late in and we’ve signed Obi Martin, Heaven, Dorgu and Diego Leon. All highly rated youngsters that show lots of promise. I’d say those have his name all over them (as he’s known for unearthing young gems and Salzburg and Leipzig). I also don’t subscribe that our summer signings were bad - De Ligt has been our best and most consistently available CB, Maz largely solid and versatile, Yoro is very young and highly rated. It’d only doubts on Ugarte and definitely Zirkzee that cloud that. You’re never gonna get 100% transfer success ANY window

Also, our actual recruitment process is light years ahead of the protracted negotiations of Woody and Murtough.
 
From what I gather Vivell's skillset is in negotiating with clubs and agents once we have identified the players we want to sign. By all accounts our summer dealings went smoothly and we got good prices for all of the transactions. Same with Dorgu.

Maybe he can pull a rabbit out of hat and negotiate a deal that suits all parties for Osimhen
 
I mean he was late in and we’ve signed Obi Martin, Heaven, Dorgu and Diego Leon. All highly rated youngsters that show lots of promise. I’d say those have his name all over them (as he’s known for unearthing young gems and Salzburg and Leipzig). I also don’t subscribe that our summer signings were bad - De Ligt has been our best and most consistently available CB, Maz largely solid and versatile, Yoro is very young and highly rated. It’d only doubts on Ugarte and definitely Zirkzee that cloud that. You’re never gonna get 100% transfer success ANY window

Also, our actual recruitment process is light years ahead of the protracted negotiations of Woody and Murtough.
I think that's more of Wilcox signings than this guy.
 
Does the article explain why they've made it permanent?
Word on the street is that we are attempting to streamline and technologize the recruitment and scouting operations at the club (which are thought to be quite ponderous and bloated with regard to the sheer volume of staff). This is presumably where Vivell comes into the picture, given his previous involvement with Hoffenheim and Red Bull's footballing portfolio (among the pioneers of data procurement and performance analysis in modern football).

For example, this is from when Vivell was an analyst and scout at Hoffenheim and Julian Nagelsmann was U-19 coach (data procurement and performance analysis played a big role in coaching and recovery, as well as scouting).
The coaching staff can look at various data sources, filtering against different criteria to get answers in real time. This is important because based on their analysis they can improve their training regimen and experiment with new ideas without waiting for the next practice. For example, our U19 head coach, Julian Nagelsmann, can explore questions, such as how long does a player keep the ball or where does he start dribbling? We can analyze the sensor-based data for tactical improvements during the actual practice. Julian can look up individual performance data of players and provide real-time feedback. For example, he can show a player on the iPad why he wasn’t able to succeed in gaining the upper hand with limited space during a particular play. Moreover, he could demonstrate this with 3D animation on the tablet right on the field.
Data Innovators In Sports And Entertainment: TSG 1899 Hoffenheim

While it's impossible to figure out exactly what his remit was and is going to be (and what percentage of blame for suboptimal rectuitment can be expressly assigned to him), a large part of a director of recruitment's job is fine-tuning and coordinating the team of scouts and analysts, devicing sustainable strategies for his department, setting up regional and international networks and liaisoning with existing regional and international networks, gaining personal relationships with emerging talents and their entourages (Juli Calafat if Real Madrid excels in this area as chief scout), building professional relationships with others in this sector, managing comprehensive databases and all of that corporate sounding jargon.

Given that he is going to report to technical director Jason Wilcox, we can employ guesswork and infer that Vivell will collaborate and won't have the final say with regard to major transfers, and will primarily focus on coordinating the many, many steps leading to transfers as the director of our scouting and analytical operations. The wider responsibility for first team transfers might fall on the shoulders of the new director of football if we appoint one (there was some speculation of us approaching Mikel González, the current director of football of Athletic Club), or on Wilcox and Berrada's shoulders in the absense of a director of football.
Vivell reports into technical director Jason Wilcox, who has assumed greater responsibility after the departure of sporting director Dan Ashworth after five months at the club.
This could also be a situation where Vivell eventually becomes the director of recruitment for INEOS' footballing portfolio, not just Manchester United. If the club is restored to normalcy, we won't need to find many diamonds in the rough (which is where the cutting edge of data procurement and performance analysis with regard to recruitment lies). And could mostly operate in the top end of the market for higher-quality products who are proven performers and don't need to be over-analyzed — in those circumstances, the club's success, the sporting project we are selling and the skill of the negotation team are of paramount importance. Finding diamonds in the rough is more essential for clubs like Nice and Lausanne-Sport, given competitive and budgetary constraints.
 
Hard to know who was involved and to what degree, but I would say our transfer dealings last year were among the best in a while, so I'm content to settle on the same team for a bit longer. Both in terms of who we bought, but also in terms of the process for bringing them in. We seemed to have less noise and a more smoother process. Indeed it was probably one of our best transfer windows, allowing for how awful many of the others have been.
 
Wonder are we likely to still appoint a specialist Director of Football such as a Berta/Gonzalez who have been linked to the club
 
Hard to know who was involved and to what degree, but I would say our transfer dealings last year were among the best in a while, so I'm content to settle on the same team for a bit longer. Both in terms of who we bought, but also in terms of the process for bringing them in. We seemed to have less noise and a more smoother process. Indeed it was probably one of our best transfer windows, allowing for how awful many of the others have been.
I feel like we do know this?

Berrada has final say on everything, Amorim can veto. Vivell leads recruiting. Wilcox is technical director but more on the youth pathway side + hiring of staff, recruitment personnel, academy coaches and players. Wilcox seems to get his role inflated every time someone talks about our setup - he is not telling coaches how to play, he isn't picking transfers for the senior team. He might have a veto (would be a bit weird but possible) and I suspect he will sit above talent ID/negotiations for academy players.
 
Hard to know who was involved and to what degree, but I would say our transfer dealings last year were among the best in a while, so I'm content to settle on the same team for a bit longer. Both in terms of who we bought, but also in terms of the process for bringing them in. We seemed to have less noise and a more smoother process. Indeed it was probably one of our best transfer windows, allowing for how awful many of the others have been.
Agree completely
 
This lad identified the talent and brokers initial discussions then hands over to Matt Hargreaves
 
From what I gather Vivell's skillset is in negotiating with clubs and agents once we have identified the players we want to sign. By all accounts our summer dealings went smoothly and we got good prices for all of the transactions. Same with Dorgu.

But we already have a director of football negotiations called Matt Hargreaves. What his job then?
 
Anyone know what happened to him at chelsea?
Too many cooks in the kitchen, presumably. This approach can work if they have positive synergy and form a good working relationship. For example, Liverpool's “Football CEO” Michael Edwards and new technical director Richard Hughes have known each other since the 2000s when the former was an analyst and the latter an active player at Portsmouth. But you can also have clash of personalities and escalating differences in opinion, especially among people who don't have a prior working relationship, and situations where individuals feel that are being undermined or disregarded within the collective technical framework. Paul Winstanley was added to Chelsea before Vivell was appointed technical director, and then they went and brought Laurence Stewart from Monaco and Joe Shields from Southampton for some overlapping functions as part of their internal restructuring process. Maybe Vivell started feeling like an outsider and surplus to requirements, and that came to fruition as he was relieved of his duties before long?
 
This lad identified the talent and brokers initial discussions then hands over to Matt Hargreaves
I'd say you're correct. Vivell is basically the chief Scout and is in charge of the scouts across the board. His job shouldn't be to negotiate deals but rather to run the recruitment departments under him.

The role of the chief scout is often confused with the role of the director of football on here.
 
I actually think it is. We're still United. We'll still pay big wages.

Getting good players really shouldn't be that difficult. We've just somehow complicated it beyond belief.
Agreed. It's not difficult to buy good players that fit a system of play.
 
Anyone know what happened to him at chelsea?
Too many cooks in the kitchen, presumably. This approach can work if they have positive synergy and form a good working relationship. For example, Liverpool's “Football CEO” Michael Edwards and new technical director Richard Hughes have known each other since the 2000s when the former was an analyst and the latter an active player at Portsmouth. But you can also have clash of personalities and escalating differences in opinion, especially among people who don't have a prior working relationship, and situations where individuals feel that are being undermined or disregarded within the collective technical framework. Paul Winstanley was added to Chelsea before Vivell was appointed technical director, and then they went and brought Laurence Stewart from Monaco and Joe Shields from Southampton for some overlapping functions as part of their internal restructuring process. Maybe Vivell started feeling like an outsider and surplus to requirements, and that came to fruition as he was relieved of his duties before long?
This is more or less exactly what happened. Believe Vivell thought he'd have a lot more autonomy and responsibility than he wound up having in practice.
 
What did you think of the job he did at Chelsea?
It's hard to say. Things were so chaotic that it is impossible to know the extent to which he was or wasn't responsible for things.

I believe the only window he worked for us full time was the winter of the 22/23 season - when we went bonkers and signed Enzo, Mudryk, Badiashile, Felix on loan, etc. Again though I believe his remit was adjusted to focus more on implementing the multi-club model with Strasbourg given his prior Red bull experience and him losing some of his Chelsea-focused responsibilities was the main reason behind his departure.

Really though, hard to draw too many conclusions from his time at Chelsea. His track record at RB though was generally excellent and his first window for you was managed pretty sensibly overall I thought.
 
"The only signings Vivell had much to do with at Chelsea were Nkunku and Madueke. The other two morons who survived him did the damage, one of the owners was responsible for Mudryk."

This is from the guy who runs the Chelsea Youth twitter, so I wouldn't read too much into Chelsea's one window with him.
 
The thing, though, is that success or failure are cooked in the boardroom before they manifest on the pitch. Blinders and blunders are made in the Executive Suite first, imagine 40 years ago there was a guy who identified Sir Alex and was probably the same guy who decided to back him when he was under the kosh. Sir Alex, deservedly, takes the glory but without that guy he'd be a legend elsewhere or just another bitter pundit.
Not sure how true. But always heard Bobby Charlton was the guy who got Martin Edwards to stick with SAF because as an ex football player, and also someone who saw Sir Matt rebuild United after Munich he could see SAF was building something that could become special.