Gazza
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Chelsea want Rual Tamudo, maybe as a replacement for Gudjohnson ? Sunderland also want Tamudo, so they're are out of the running for Eidur as well. We should strike while we can.
Originally posted by keith myles:
<strong>Forlan is rubbish. </strong><hr></blockquote>keef mials = WUM.
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>keef mials = WUM.
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Maybe. Maybe not.
B4 long, this forum will be known as somewhere you can't voice your opinion unless you're a sycophant.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Maybe. Maybe not.
B4 long, this forum will be known as somewhere you can't voice your opinion unless you're a sycophant.</strong><hr></blockquote>
True, but I just find it questionable why a United supporter would rubbish a United player on his first post. I wouldn't walk into a Liverpool pub, introduce myself, and then say how shit heskey is, even if it is true.
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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True, but I just find it questionable why a United supporter would rubbish a United player on his first post. I wouldn't walk into a Liverpool pub, introduce myself, and then say how shit heskey is, even if it is true.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree it isn't the best way to introduce yourself to a forum!
Originally posted by Sharkey:
<strong>agreed too, took me ages to post after registering for this reason only. toe in the water and all that...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Me too, got to know who people were first, and what the forum was like, and why Davo was allowed to remain on the forum. Ok, still working that last one out.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>B4 long, this forum will be known as somewhere you can't voice your opinion unless you're a sycophant.</strong><hr></blockquote>You're kidding right?
Diego Forlán plays professional football for Manchester United. He also scored a cracking goal in the World Cup for Uruguay recently. I could go on for hours about how labeling him as rubbish is simply f'kin ridiculous.
If you think he's a genuine red, fair enough, I think he's a wind-up.
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>You're kidding right?
Diego Forlán plays professional football for Manchester United. He also scored a cracking goal in the World Cup for Uruguay recently. I could go on for hours about how labeling him as rubbish is simply f'kin ridiculous.
If you think he's a genuine red, fair enough, I think he's a wind-up.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Lots of genuine reds have strange opinions. Lots of genuine reds are less than patient.
He might believe himself to be a genuine red, even if the rest of us think he's a twat.
Or he might be a wind-up.
And genuine reds are allowed to criticise - if it's constructive. Sometimes even constructive criticism is frowned on.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Lots of genuine reds have strange opinions. Lots of genuine reds are less than patient.
He might believe himself to be a genuine red, even if the rest of us think he's a twat.
Or he might be a wind-up.
And genuine reds are allowed to criticise - if it's constructive. Sometimes even constructive criticism is frowned on.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're right. Ole is slow and lacking creativity.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Or he might be a wind-up.
And genuine reds are allowed to criticise - if it's constructive. Sometimes even constructive criticism is frowned on.</strong><hr></blockquote>
..the problem is some people always criticise.
i don't mind constructive cristism.. along as it is constructive.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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..the problem is some people always criticise.
i don't mind constructive cristism.. along as it is constructive.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What's constructive about any criticism any of us could make?
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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You're right. Ole is slow and lacking creativity. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well that's been said anyway. From all those who want to see a new strike partner for Ruud.
But some players are not allowed to be criticised. There's a lot of hypocracy on here.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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But some players are not allowed to be criticised. </strong><hr></blockquote>
like who??
Originally posted by Dans:
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What's constructive about any criticism any of us could make?</strong><hr></blockquote>
why do u say that?
Originally posted by giggzy:
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like who??</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ole for a start.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>But some players are not allowed to be criticised.</strong><hr></blockquote>Like Ole maybe?
Originally posted by Dans:
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(as Ferguson surely doesn't come here for advice) </strong><hr></blockquote>
thats just it.. none of us know anything compared to fergie...
how many things has he won??
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Like Ole maybe?</strong><hr></blockquote>
All players can be criticised when necessary, and should be praised in the same way.
And everyone is entitled to their opinion if it's not just slagging off a player for no good reason.
If Ole goes a few games without scoring, then he should be rested and someone else given a chance. I've never suggested otherwise. Ole isn't above criticism. I've "supported" Ole because for the past 6 years, I've believed him to be the best option for the team, not because I support the player, full stop.
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Anyone who thinks Forlan is rubbish must be a scouser..
Only an evil scouser would say something as contraversial as that..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Certainly only somebody of questionable judgement or other allegiance would say that about a 23 yr old in his first full season at one of the biggest clubs in the world having just played in a World Cup.
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Its standard group psychology Liv. If someone new walks into a pub and immediately criticizes things, the rest of the patrons (who are mostly already familiar with one another) are bound to react to it. Doesn't mean the criticism can't take place, just that there's going to be a reaction from everyone else.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I did agree that it wasn't the best first post.
But it does seem on here that honest criticism isn't welcome.
Even Veron says he had a bad season last year, but no-one on here was allowed to say it without getting a load of abuse.
I don't mean the morons who just said sell him, he's rubbish - but if anyone as much as said he hadn't had a good game it wasn't acceptable.
But as a first post, it was a bad move. And I know that whilst I might criticise the players (or the manager, eh Giggzy), I will defend them to the hilt against any ABU who is slagging them off just because they're United.
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>I'm sorry Liv but you are generalising a bit too much.
I think, by the end of the season, just about everyone agreed he had a bad season for whatever reason. I was one of his staunchest supporters throughout the year but that didn't stop me from agreeing that he had a bad season.
Honest criticism is totally fine but don't expect me, for one, to react politely when someone makes a comment like miles' gem.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You're right.
Originally posted by Dans:
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Certainly only somebody of questionable judgement or other allegiance would say that about a 23 yr old in his first full season at one of the biggest clubs in the world having just played in a World Cup.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ruddy thinks he's worse than Barry Hayles...and he's got inside info..
I reckon that the majority of football fans would currently rate Forlan as being crap as opposed to good..rightly or wrongly
Originally posted by Davo:
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I reckon that the majority of football fans would currently rate Forlan as being crap as opposed to good..rightly or wrongly</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wrongly. They would be basing their opinions on his goal-scoring record, not his whole game.
If he wasn't contributing anything on the pitch, as well as not scoring, they would be right. But he's actually been very useful.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Wrongly. They would be basing their opinions on his goal-scoring record, not his whole game.
If he wasn't contributing anything on the pitch, as well as not scoring, they would be right. But he's actually been very useful.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But as has been pointed out to me on here many, many times...strikers are judged by there goals or lack of..
Surprisingly I'm hearing differently since you signed Forlan..
In all honesty I think its too early to judge, but in the little I've seen of him so far I've been anything but impressed...some of the chances he has missed have been unbelievable
Originally posted by Davo:
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But as has been pointed out to me on here many, many times...strikers are judged by there goals or lack of..
Surprisingly I'm hearing differently since you signed Forlan..
In all honesty I think its too early to judge, but in the little I've seen of him so far I've been anything but impressed...some of the chances he has missed have been unbelievable</strong><hr></blockquote>
Perhaps you hearing this from the defenders of the faith type posters rather than those who, you have to concede, do present an objective opinion more often than not.
Originally posted by Davo:
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Surprisingly I'm hearing differently since you signed Forlan..
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But not from me.