Chelsea 2024/25

romufc said:
Someone who had a total of 70 PL appearances until he got injured... lets be honest he was never going to start regardless of Jacksons injury.
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He was starting regularly in the conference league. If he's he only available first team striker, why wouldn't he start games in Jackson's absence? Especially if the alternative is Pedro Neto.
 
romufc said:
Really.. are you actually claiming his injury has hampered Chelsea?
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Yes of course! Even a young & unproven backup striker is better than putting a winger there for the first time in his career - it's of course terrible opposition but he's looked decent enough in the Conference League as well as during his opportunities in the PL.
 
WeePat said:
He was starting regularly in the conference league. If he's he only available first team striker, why wouldn't he start games in Jackson's absence? Especially if the alternative is Pedro Neto.
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Well he didn't start the first 3 games and started the last 3 before he got injured... Nkunku started alot more games as CF, he also played alot more PL games as CF when Jackson was substituted... then Jackson gets injured and he becomes a LW. But we are to believe Guiu would have got to start games, based on 0 evidence.

TheMagicFoolBus said:
Yes of course! Even a young & unproven backup striker is better than putting a winger there for the first time in his career - it's of course terrible opposition but he's looked decent enough in the Conference League as well as during his opportunities in the PL.
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Well, maybe but he barely got any PL opportunities, coming off the bench or anything, but yeah we are to believe he would have started.
 
romufc said:
Well he didn't start the first 3 games and started the last 3 before he got injured... Nkunku started alot more games as CF, he also played alot more PL games as CF when Jackson was substituted... then Jackson gets injured and he becomes a LW. But we are to believe Guiu would have got to start games, based on 0 evidence.
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I thought Nkunku was the shoe-in Jackson replacement, but the minute I saw Neto shoved up there, I was pretty sure Guiu would have gotten a chance to start had he been fit.
 
WeePat said:
I thought Nkunku was the shoe-in Jackson replacement, but the minute I saw Neto shoved up there, I was pretty sure Guiu would have gotten a chance to start had he been fit.
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Maresca has been making weird decision from a third party view.

Playing Neto as a striker is weird becuase he has never done it and doesn't utilise his greatest strengths. I am surprised he hasn't tried Sancho there, who has played there under Ten Hag.

Look at players like Reece James, who until now was used as a RB even under Maresca, is now a CM. I understand that is the long term plan for him under Maresca, but doing so and playing a CB at RB just doesn't make sense.
 
romufc said:
Maresca has been making weird decision from a third party view.

Playing Neto as a striker is weird becuase he has never done it and doesn't utilise his greatest strengths. I am surprised he hasn't tried Sancho there, who has played there under Ten Hag.

Look at players like Reece James, who until now was used as a RB even under Maresca, is now a CM. I understand that is the long term plan for him under Maresca, but doing so and playing a CB at RB just doesn't make sense.
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I think in part the CB at RB is a knock-on effect from Jackson being out - we'd really be lacking in set-piece defenders without a 3rd CB (especially against the likes of Arsenal).
romufc said:
Well, maybe but he barely got any PL opportunities, coming off the bench or anything, but yeah we are to believe he would have started.
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Ironically him being deserving of more chances is why the likes of Felix and Chukwuemeka were allowed to go on loan just before deadline day - which is of course when he got hurt. During the fall we also had a pretty strict squad rotation policy between the Conference League and the PL.

Certainly I'm not arguing that he'd be lighting the league up or anything - but the bar is on the floor with respect to Chelsea's attack at the moment. The biggest reason Palmer has struggled is that there is no one pushing CBs deeper to allow space between the lines. Also our hold-up play without a striker has been atrocious. Even if he weren't scoring goals Guiu has been a very willing runner and has been pretty decent at ball retention.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I think in part the CB at RB is a knock-on effect from Jackson being out - we'd really be lacking in set-piece defenders without a 3rd CB (especially against the likes of Arsenal).
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Fair enough, lets see how he goes about it now that Lavia is fit.

TheMagicFoolBus said:
Ironically him being deserving of more chances is why the likes of Felix and Chukwuemeka were allowed to go on loan just before deadline day - which is of course when he got hurt. During the fall we also had a pretty strict squad rotation policy between the Conference League and the PL.

Certainly I'm not arguing that he'd be lighting the league up or anything - but the bar is on the floor with respect to Chelsea's attack at the moment. The biggest reason Palmer has struggled is that there is no one pushing CBs deeper to allow space between the lines. Also our hold-up play without a striker has been atrocious. Even if he weren't scoring goals Guiu has been a very willing runner and has been pretty decent at ball retention.
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Will be interesting to see his development, how long is he out for? Do you think he will be 2nd choice next season or drop back to third, considering Chelsea may sign another ST in the summer?
 
What's the thought process behind Reece James moving to CM? Is the assumption he's lost some pace with all the injuries?

I know he's very good on the ball and played there before but surely more needed at RB with Caicedo & Enzo in the middle and given Gusto's form of late.
 
romufc said:
Will be interesting to see his development, how long is he out for? Do you think he will be 2nd choice next season or drop back to third, considering Chelsea may sign another ST in the summer?
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Haven't had an update but initial prognosis was "bad - weeks to months". Hopefully he's back before the end of the season / the Plastic Moneygrab Cup over the summer.

I hope he stays and competes for game time next year. 2 strikers feels quite thin from a squad perspective anyway - especially since Jackson can do a job on the left. I assume Nkunku will be off this summer and Guiu could slot into those minutes even if he is 3rd choice. Given that it's Chelsea it seems unlikely we'd go after an established striker anyway (seems like Liam Delap is the main target) - so probably there would be higher-quality minutes to go around.
 
DannyCAFC said:
What's the thought process behind Reece James moving to CM? Is the assumption he's lost some pace with all the injuries?

I know he's very good on the ball and played there before but surely more needed at RB with Caicedo & Enzo in the middle and given Gusto's form of late.
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Don't think it's because he's lost pace, it's because at CM he has to do fewer high-intensity sprints which seem to be the death knell of hamstrings.

At this point I'm just glad he's playing at all - but you are entirely correct to point out that we have plenty of midfielders (and Andrey Santos coming back this summer).
 
How are Chelsea signing all these players on low wages?

They must have one of the best negotiation teams in world football.
 
Dan said:
One is Palmer’s replacement.
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Watched that England documentary last night, Palmer could barely move to London, where’s he gonna go that isn’t Manchester?!

JSArsenal said:
How are Chelsea signing all these players on low wages?

They must have one of the best negotiation teams in world football.
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No idea, get the feeling that due to it being a 7+ contract there must be annual increases built in
 
Lennon7 said:
Watched that England documentary last night, Palmer could barely move to London, where’s he gonna go that isn’t Manchester?!


No idea, get the feeling that due to it being a 7+ contract there must be annual increases built in
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I assume that's an added incentive in buying young talent, they generally aren't on high wages where they are coming from.

But yeah, id imagine there will be incentivised contracts with built in wage rises through time, either blanket, or performance related or the like.
 
They have youngest team in PL history. Sancho is turning 25 in few days and he's probably one of the older ones. Guess a quality and experienced GK and CB would improve them. Midfield looks good and then attack is bit meh though Jackson is a good player even with his poor finishing.
 
The defence and gk is mid table quality let's be honest. And attacking, apart from Palmer, everyone blows hot and cold, very inconsistent.
 
BorisManUtd said:
They have youngest team in PL history. Sancho is turning 25 in few days and he's probably one of the older ones. Guess a quality and experienced GK and CB would improve them. Midfield looks good and then attack is bit meh though Jackson is a good player even with his poor finishing.
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If Chelsea stick with Enzo Maresca I fully expect them to move for Leicester keeper Mads Hermansen.
 
jeff gurr said:
If Chelsea stick with Enzo Maresca I fully expect them to move for Leicester keeper Mads Hermansen.
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I think the plan will be to give Petrovic another shot since he's been one of the best keepers in Europe this season - 4th of any GK in the top 5 leagues in PSxG-GA and playing very well all around:
 
Gringo said:
The defence and gk is mid table quality let's be honest. And attacking, apart from Palmer, everyone blows hot and cold, very inconsistent.
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The defence is OK for me. Individually, I think most of the players are good. As a unit though, it just isn't clicking. A big problem is the GK situation. Sanchez makes everyone around him nervous and uncertain. A solid GK is probably worth a couple of extra wins for us.
 
jeff gurr said:
If Chelsea stick with Enzo Maresca I fully expect them to move for Leicester keeper Mads Hermansen.
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TheMagicFoolBus said:
I think the plan will be to give Petrovic another shot since he's been one of the best keepers in Europe this season - 4th of any GK in the top 5 leagues in PSxG-GA and playing very well all around:
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I haven't seen a single minute of Strasbourg. Has his distribution improved? Hermansen is a really good shout tbh.
 
WeePat said:
I haven't seen a single minute of Strasbourg. Has his distribution improved? Hermansen is a really good shout tbh.
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I won't pretend to be an expert but he's passing the ball a ton and not launching it very much at all (also worth noting that these passes don't include goal kicks):
 
There is quite a sizeable chunk of their outlay that will never go on to be top players. If they are going to do this, they need to be less scattergun and scrutinize potential recruits a whole lot better. Some of them haven’t looked even nearly good enough since day one.

There is no point planning too much under Maresca either. His tactics are boring and don’t take advantage of having a young, pacey team. He won’t be there much longer.
 
Maluco said:
There is quite a sizeable chunk of their outlay that will never go on to be top players. If they are going to do this, they need to be less scattergun and scrutinize potential recruits a whole lot better. Some of them haven’t looked even nearly good enough since day one.

There is no point planning too much under Maresca either. His tactics are boring and don’t take advantage of having a young, pacey team. He won’t be there much longer.
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He's a yes man who'll do the owners bidding without question. That's a pretty big positive for him when working under the likes of private equity... Similar for the sporting directors, they're just doing what Eghbali wants.
 
It's amazing how great everything looks when you sell the Womens eam to the parent company of the club. All legit, above board and within the rules... Assuming there isn't a challenge to whatever valuation they put on the Women's team... As it's probably a fantasy number that no one in the real world would pay.

Mainly just shows you how stupid the PSR rules are, but we are where we are...
 
Mb194dc said:
It's amazing how great everything looks when you sell the Womens eam to the parent company of the club. All legit, above board and within the rules... Assuming there isn't a challenge to whatever valuation they put on the Women's team... As it's probably a fantasy number that no one in the real world would pay.

Mainly just shows you how stupid the PSR rules are, but we are where we are...
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We are yet to see the breakdown in effect the net loss if you exclude the sell of the woman’s team ( not described as that) for £198 million then the loss seems to be less even though it appears that operating income is down but that we are told is compensated for by way of operating costs ( wages and amortisation? ) reducing
 
I have read without the women’s team sale it’d have been a loss of £70m, down from £160m ish last year (before we sold the hotels).

Ethics of gaming the system aside the underlying numbers are a big step towards more balance, especially considering that was with no CL and a bloated squad.

If we get CL and a sponsor then we should be approaching break even next season. We’ve also got an absolutely huge number of players we need to sell.
 
Noodle said:
I have read without the women’s team sale it’d have been a loss of £70m, down from £160m ish last year (before we sold the hotels).

Ethics of gaming the system aside the underlying numbers are a big step towards more balance, especially considering that was with no CL and a bloated squad.

If we get CL and a sponsor then we should be approaching break even next season. We’ve also got an absolutely huge number of players we need to sell.
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It was also mentioned that the income from loans has grown significantly.

Dont forget that there should also be a significant income from the club World Cup
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Just because the net effect of the sale was c£198m, doesn’t mean the valuation wasn’t £200m.

It was… as Chelsea’s accounts state.
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Fair enough.

If a buyer and a seller agree on a price, everyone else should mind their own business. Chelsea being the buyer AND the seller is just a coincidence.

There's nothing to see here, these aren't the droids you're looking for.
 
duffer said:
Fair enough.

If a buyer and a seller agree on a price, everyone else should mind their own business. Chelsea being the buyer AND the seller is just a coincidence.

There's nothing to see here, these aren't the droids you're looking for.
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Our owners are a disgrace, so there's that to look at. Stacking players up in the squad who'll never play, treating the academy like a farm and individual players like pieces of garbage. Massive manipulation of the financial rules. All financed by massive borrowing...

I support Chelsea FC, not clear lake capital FC. The sooner these clowns are out, the better as far as I'm concerned. They represent everything wrong with 21st century capitalism.
 
Mb194dc said:
Our owners are a disgrace, so there's that to look at. Stacking players up in the squad who'll never play, treating the academy like a farm and individual players like pieces of garbage. Massive manipulation of the financial rules. All financed by massive borrowing...

I support Chelsea FC, not clear lake capital FC. The sooner these clowns are out, the better as far as I'm concerned. They represent everything wrong with 21st century capitalism.
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I was born in the late 70s and my dad made me a Chelsea fan about 2 minutes after I was born. I've never experienced a Chelsea owner that wasn't a disgrace.
 
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