ZolaWasMagic
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Apparently so. I think most teams in Europe have been rumoured to be wanting him at some stage... Currently only an advisor to PSG. His eye for talent is his main strength. Bernardo Silva, Fabinho, Thomas Lemar all spotted by him while at Monaco.Is he supposed to be a good DoF?
Apparently so. I think most teams in Europe have been rumoured to be wanting him at some stage... Currently only an advisor to PSG. His eye for talent is his main strength. Bernardo Silva, Fabinho, Thomas Lemar all spotted by him while at Monaco.
Hiring Luis Campos would go a long way in doing that.
Apparently so. I think most teams in Europe have been rumoured to be wanting him at some stage... Currently only an advisor to PSG. His eye for talent is his main strength. Bernardo Silva, Fabinho, Thomas Lemar all spotted by him while at Monaco.
I’m not a fan of that vision. In fact I really hate it. It’s bad for football and I think that kind of ‘football network’ should be banned from the sport.
Yeah can't say I'm a fan of any 'multi-club model' either. From a club owner's perspective it probably makes a lot of sense and I definitely understand why they'd look into doing it but from the perspective of a football fan it just seems soulless.
But at least that 'hiring the right people to find the best talents' bit seems promising. Like Ben Jacobs (seems to have close ties to Boehly) tweeted a couple of days ago already, Boehly is definitely planning to take a step back from any hands-on involvement in player recruitment as soon as he's hired people to take care of that stuff for him and now pretty much the same information has come straight from the horse's mouth.
It all feels like a legal human trafficking network. I don’t particularly like it. However what he said was not wrong. If we loan out a player then we don’t control game time or any sort of progression for the player. Redbull are clearly what he aspires to be like as a global brand. They have their hands everywhere in a whole host of sports.I’m not a fan of that vision. In fact I really hate it. It’s bad for football and I think that kind of ‘football network’ should be banned from the sport.
Quite interesting. How do both red bull teams competent in the CL anyway?
Yeah the putting the right people in the right positions part is good, which was expected anyway. It's the sensible thing to do and it was just going to take some time to build the football structure back up. The multi-club football network stuff is rancid and we should have nothing to do with it.
I had this initial reaction as well but the more I thought about it - if you took the best ownership group in the Premier League over the last decade (FSG) and they used the same principles in Holland, what happens? Well most likely whichever club they buy improves and the league becomes more competitive. It’s not like the club would be stripped of its resources or become a pure feeder club. These ownership groups would want relative success as well. Ultimately, does it really matter if your owner is FSG or another Sheikh.
I had this initial reaction as well but the more I thought about it - if you took the best ownership group in the Premier League over the last decade (FSG) and they used the same principles in Holland, what happens? Well most likely whichever club they buy improves and the league becomes more competitive. It’s not like the club would be stripped of its resources or become a pure feeder club. These ownership groups would want relative success as well. Ultimately, does it really matter if your owner is FSG or another Sheikh.
Man City have 10 clubs they are part owners in.
I can’t get behind it. I just can't. I understand having a relationship with another club like we used to have with Vitesse where it's, in theory, a win win situation for both sides but even that didn't sit that well with me. Outright buying other clubs with the sole purpose of making them feeder clubs for Chelsea is vile to me. It's rancid and utterly soulless.
This exactly. Other teams are already starting to do this, and with Brexit implications looming you can either be ahead of the curve, with the curve, … or left behind.Always thought to myself it won't be long until a Club from one of the Elite clubs brought a Portuguese team. I say this as it will allow them to tap into South American/Brazilian talent much more easily.
Not sure I agree with this type of model, however we need to admit that Red Bull have already done this and City have something similar so they're not the first club to do this. Personally, I could see them going for a club like Santa Cruz or Maritimo.
I'm fine with it in theory, not too concerned with it being soulless as that's the way the game has gone. Most clubs are feeder clubs for the top European teams in any case. If Chelsea actually bought Vitesse, they would want the team to stay and compete in the Eredevisie. There is arguably not a single player at Vitesse who would be of interest to Chelsea currently. If they produced such players in the next 5-7 years, then the mere fact that we are interested in their players means their squad is stronger and probably more competitive. So like you say, in theory - a win-win.
But that IS the clubs history now. Many or most of these clubs will never attract top talent and keep them for a career. Ajax is a major team, with a huge fanbase. They want to seriously compete in champions league, and sometimes do. BUT at this point they know 2 to 3 years is what they get with their best talents. And if the talents aren’t good enough to attract that interest they have probably had their place in the Ajax squad taken anyway. Is that incorrect?But what about the fans of that club, the city and the community the club belongs to. It's hijacking a club and it's history and making it a feeder club for a random rich club they have no connection to in a different country. It's the principle that just doesn't sit right with me. It might prove to be beneficial to both clubs on some level, but I would still oppose it on principle.
hate this postBut that IS the clubs history now. Many or most of these clubs will never attract top talent and keep them for a career. Ajax is a major team, with a huge fanbase. They want to seriously compete in champions league, and sometimes do. BUT at this point they know 2 to 3 years is what they get with their best talents. And if the talents aren’t good enough to attract that interest they have probably had their place in the Ajax squad taken anyway. Is that incorrect?
Fanbases adapt to this. Going back to the baseball example: the Durham Bulls fans get excited to see the new talents coming through. It’s part of their identity.
Fans go into the season with the excitement of possibly being surprised by the next big thing in world football.
Is that worse than to get the same or poorer results with older, lower quality players that stay at the club an avg of 2 to 3 years longer?
But that IS the clubs history now. Many or most of these clubs will never attract top talent and keep them for a career. Ajax is a major team, with a huge fanbase. They want to seriously compete in champions league, and sometimes do. BUT at this point they know 2 to 3 years is what they get with their best talents. And if the talents aren’t good enough to attract that interest they have probably had their place in the Ajax squad taken anyway. Is that incorrect?
Fanbases adapt to this. Going back to the baseball example: the Durham Bulls fans get excited to see the new talents coming through. It’s part of their identity.
Fans go into the season with the excitement of possibly being surprised by the next big thing in world football.
Is that worse than to get the same or poorer results with older, lower quality players that stay at the club an avg of 2 to 3 years longer?
Yep.Chelsea is/was in contact with Freund vom Salzburg. Seems if they want to copy the Red Bull system. One football philosophy over many clubs, develpoment in full controll, because there are spots available at any level of prefessional football.
Yep.
Well, he is a top class coach afterallThey should look at Thomas Tuchel as he is now free of contract. Good record as a progressive manager and with a CL win also.
Yep.
But that IS the clubs history now. Many or most of these clubs will never attract top talent and keep them for a career. Ajax is a major team, with a huge fanbase. They want to seriously compete in champions league, and sometimes do. BUT at this point they know 2 to 3 years is what they get with their best talents. And if the talents aren’t good enough to attract that interest they have probably had their place in the Ajax squad taken anyway. Is that incorrect?
Fanbases adapt to this. Going back to the baseball example: the Durham Bulls fans get excited to see the new talents coming through. It’s part of their identity.
Fans go into the season with the excitement of possibly being surprised by the next big thing in world football.
Is that worse than to get the same or poorer results with older, lower quality players that stay at the club an avg of 2 to 3 years longer?