Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES

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duffer said:
Yeah Tuchel's fault. Not because he preferred Barcelona.
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What did Tuchel do? I kinda missed that bit of news.

That said I think people in the PL underestimate just how much pull Barcelona (and Madrid for that matter) have amongst Latin American players. Nothing else compares for them. With all the drama that Barsa have had the last couple seasons players still fall over themselves in order to go there and don't want to leave.
 
Broja will be like new signing for us. Sterling broja and Gallagher will add enough goals to be competitive in league. If we able to bring back ups to wing backs we will be set for season started.

I have huge hope for broja coming season. He has pace strength and if he improve the ability to hold on to the ball he will have huge impact.
 
RoyH1 said:
What did Tuchel do? I kinda missed that bit of news.

That said I think people in the PL underestimate just how much pull Barcelona (and Madrid for that matter) have amongst Latin American players. Nothing else compares for them. With all the drama that Barsa have had the last couple seasons players still fall over themselves in order to go there and don't want to leave.
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By all accounts Tuchel was skeptical of Kounde given his height - Marina et al were the driving forces behind our push to sign him last summer. Also there have been reports that Tuchel wanted to potentially use Kounde at RWB on occasion and Kounde wasn't keen.

Also this fits into the broader picture, which is that Tuchel wants to transition our team away from the 3ATB he's been shoehorned into for the most part.
 
RoyH1 said:
What did Tuchel do? I kinda missed that bit of news.

That said I think people in the PL underestimate just how much pull Barcelona (and Madrid for that matter) have amongst Latin American players. Nothing else compares for them. With all the drama that Barsa have had the last couple seasons players still fall over themselves in order to go there and don't want to leave.
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There's a rumour online that Kounde chose Barca because Tuchel didn't "close the deal" well enough.

The other theory is that player preferred Barca because most players in the world would pick Barca over Chelsea.

I know which version seems more plausible.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
By all accounts Tuchel was skeptical of Kounde given his height - Marina et al were the driving forces behind our push to sign him last summer. Also there have been reports that Tuchel wanted to potentially use Kounde at RWB on occasion and Kounde wasn't keen.

Also this fits into the broader picture, which is that Tuchel wants to transition our team away from the 3ATB he's been shoehorned into for the most part.
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It's the usual "we didn't want him anyway" "we didn't want him so badly" pr stunt that clubs do when players reject the move. If Tuchel wasn't convinced then Chelsea wouldn't have spent 2 summers to sign him, they wouldn't have made effort to agree fee with Sevilla.
 
Even if all we do now is bring in one quality CB and let the want aways go (Bar Dave) I’d be happy.

Sterling to replace Ziyech is an upgrade
Broja to replace Lukaku is neither here nor there given Lukaku flopping
Koulibaly for Rudiger is pretty even
Gallagher coming into this side is a big boost to our midfield options

Then we have Colwill who gets a shot with one more CB to improve on Christensen.

Then next summer window we target a Silva replacement if Colwill doesn’t cut it and go for a forward and Rice
 
Noodle said:
Even if all we do now is bring in one quality CB and let the want aways go (Bar Dave) I’d be happy.

Sterling to replace Ziyech is an upgrade
Broja to replace Lukaku is neither here nor there given Lukaku flopping
Koulibaly for Rudiger is pretty even
Gallagher coming into this side is a big boost to our midfield options

Then we have Colwill who gets a shot with one more CB to improve on Christensen.

Then next summer window we target a Silva replacement if Colwill doesn’t cut it and go for a forward and Rice
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Well we have more than enough to see off top 4 challengers.But We didn't improve enough to challenge top 2 unless we give up domestic cups early stage to concentrate on league and cl.

That's best bet for us to challenge the top 2 for league. If we go further in domestic cups we can't keep them fully fit and fresh.
 
duffer said:
Yeah Tuchel's fault. Not because he preferred Barcelona.
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I mean if we went for him straight away instead of going for Ake/ De ligt etc he might be with us now.
We waited for Barca to get there second lever after they signed Raphina and Lewandowski and then they prioritised Kounde. Timing was horrible.
Xavi convinced him more too, while TT was telling him he might play as a wingback.
 
Rajiztar said:
Well we have more than enough to see off top 4 challengers.But We didn't improve enough to challenge top 2 unless we give up domestic cups early stage to concentrate on league and cl.

That's best bet for us to challenge the top 2 for league. If we go further in domestic cups we can't keep them fully fit and fresh.
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Honest question, do you believe this? Do you remember the last 50 percent of last season?
 
cyberman said:
Honest question, do you believe this? Do you remember the last 50 percent of last season?
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I reckon we’re in a four way fight for two of the top four places, not that we have certainty to get it. Once Todd sinks his teeth into the club and sorts out key positions I think we’ll kick on the season after. There has just been too much turmoil to catch the top two this year
 
cyberman said:
Honest question, do you believe this? Do you remember the last 50 percent of last season?
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I always believe in this team. We improved slightly in attack instead of Lukaku and werner we have sterling and broja. Midfield we have Gallagher in stead of Saul. Defense look bit weaker but we added numbers in ampadu and colwill both are rated by tuchel.So we will see.
 
Noodle said:
Even if all we do now is bring in one quality CB and let the want aways go (Bar Dave) I’d be happy.

Sterling to replace Ziyech is an upgrade
Broja to replace Lukaku is neither here nor there given Lukaku flopping
Koulibaly for Rudiger is pretty even
Gallagher coming into this side is a big boost to our midfield options

Then we have Colwill who gets a shot with one more CB to improve on Christensen.

Then next summer window we target a Silva replacement if Colwill doesn’t cut it and go for a forward and Rice
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Who is Dave?
 
Rajiztar said:
Well we have more than enough to see off top 4 challengers.But We didn't improve enough to challenge top 2 unless we give up domestic cups early stage to concentrate on league and cl.

That's best bet for us to challenge the top 2 for league. If we go further in domestic cups we can't keep them fully fit and fresh.
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I think you’re overestimating your own squad and underestimating the rest
 
TheReligion said:
I think you’re overestimating your own squad and underestimating the rest
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Will see end of season. No one from below us from last season table will finish above us in my opinion. If so i will admit to you I overestimated my team squad in this thread coming end of season.
 
Because of everything that has happened, there is no pressure to fight for the Premier League this year, so the atmosphere should be different.

I think the squad is good enough to be able to play attractively and get results.
There is still a possibility to buy one or two players.

It would be important to hire a strong director to put order in the club and the day to day.

But the image that Tuchel gives is not a good one.
The football played last year and many decisions difficult to understand do not help.
A reset was needed in a way, fresh head and new ideas, there seems to be all the opposite to that.
 
cyberman said:
Honest question, do you believe this? Do you remember the last 50 percent of last season?
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Yep, we had a major injury crisis, an unprecedented ownership crisis and 5 tournaments to juggle (while all the teams chasing us all only had the league to focus on by the time we got to spring) and we still made it reasonably comfortably.
 
Dancfc said:
Yep, we had a major injury crisis, an unprecedented ownership crisis and 5 tournaments to juggle (while all the teams chasing us all only had the league to focus on by the time we got to spring) and we still made it reasonably comfortably.
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So we just what? Assume Chelsea will get comfortable top 4 based on what? Hopes and dreams?
You say reasonably comfortably but Arsenal were on course to finish above you before their collapse and they’ve improved. Spurs have improved as well. That’s actual results on the pitch we can analyse.
If you really analyse Chelsea under Tuchel then they needed a Leicester collapse on the final day to get top 4, they had a good three
month stretch under Tuchel before a wretched second half of the season.
If we have evidence of anything it’s that nothing indicates any sort of comfortable top 4 finish.
 
non profit football said:
Because of everything that has happened, there is no pressure to fight for the Premier League this year, so the atmosphere should be different.

I think the squad is good enough to be able to play attractively and get results.
There is still a possibility to buy one or two players.

It would be important to hire a strong director to put order in the club and the day to day.

But the image that Tuchel gives is not a good one.
The football played last year and many decisions difficult to understand do not help.
A reset was needed in a way, fresh head and new ideas, there seems to be all the opposite to that.
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I hope you get promoted as you sound like one of our more grounded, reasonable CFC fans.
 
cyberman said:
So we just what? Assume Chelsea will get comfortable top 4 based on what? Hopes and dreams?
You say reasonably comfortably but Arsenal were on course to finish above you before their collapse and they’ve improved. Spurs have improved as well. That’s actual results on the pitch we can analyse.
If you really analyse Chelsea under Tuchel then they needed a Leicester collapse on the final day to get top 4, they had a good three
month stretch under Tuchel before a wretched second half of the season.
If we have evidence of anything it’s that nothing indicates any sort of comfortable top 4 finish.
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Yes I don’t think they were as comfortable as they perhaps think they were.

They have a good squad of course but if anything you can’t rest on your laurels and need to improve each season.

I think they will stagnate if they fail to address the CF issue as both Werner and Lukaku have failed in recent times. It’s still a glaring weak spot and trying to gloss over it with Sterling and Havertz will be a mistake in my opinion.
 
TheReligion said:
I think you’re overestimating your own squad and underestimating the rest
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I think it’s fair enough to say we have enough to finish top 4. Unless you want him to outright lament our chances, he’s just saying we have a squad more than good enough to finish top 4. Other teams can make the same claim, hence why it’s looking like a 4 way battle for 3rd and 4th.
 
WeePat said:
I think it’s fair enough to say we have enough to finish top 4. Unless you want him to outright lament our chances, he’s just saying we have a squad more than good enough to finish top 4. Other teams can make the same claim, hence why it’s looking like a 4 way battle for 3rd and 4th.
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Oh I agree but I don’t think you have ‘more than enough’ which suggests it will be easy nor do I think currently challenging the top 2 for the title is realistic.
 
cyberman said:
So we just what? Assume Chelsea will get comfortable top 4 based on what? Hopes and dreams?
You say reasonably comfortably but Arsenal were on course to finish above you before their collapse and they’ve improved. Spurs have improved as well. That’s actual results on the pitch we can analyse.
If you really analyse Chelsea under Tuchel then they needed a Leicester collapse on the final day to get top 4, they had a good three
month stretch under Tuchel before a wretched second half of the season.
If we have evidence of anything it’s that nothing indicates any sort of comfortable top 4 finish.
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No mate we have very good winger now in sterling who we can build the team around. He rarely got injured unlike our wingers Puli,cho and ziyech.

We added Gallagher in to the squad who if we signed from other club he will cost minimum 30 mn. He is good addition to our squad.

Broja a 25 mn striker whatever you think of him i personally think he add great depth to our forward line and give us some thing different from havertz.

Koulibaly came in for rudiger. So not much difference in that. Christensen played less for us than chalobah last season. So not much of a loss.

We improved our forward line added depth in midfield. I don't think spurs and arsenal added much to overcome us.

We still not finished window yet. Rumour is minimum three new additions to our squad. So let's have this debate after window closed.
 
cyberman said:
So we just what? Assume Chelsea will get comfortable top 4 based on what? Hopes and dreams?
You say reasonably comfortably but Arsenal were on course to finish above you before their collapse and they’ve improved. Spurs have improved as well. That’s actual results on the pitch we can analyse.
If you really analyse Chelsea under Tuchel then they needed a Leicester collapse on the final day to get top 4, they had a good three
month stretch under Tuchel before a wretched second half of the season.
If we have evidence of anything it’s that nothing indicates any sort of comfortable top 4 finish.
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If, buts and maybes can work both ways. You say we benefitted from Arsenal's collapse, well they sure benefited getting us at The Bridge when they were fresh and we were off two intense knockout games one of which going to extra time, swings and roundabouts.

Ultimately, we made it with two home games to spare, that's as reasonably comfortably as it can get.

Regarding the Leicester collapse to get top 4, it was thanks to him we even got in a position to ba able to rely on one.
 
TheReligion said:
Oh I agree but I don’t think you have ‘more than enough’ which suggests it will be easy nor do I think currently challenging the top 2 for the title is realistic.
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Whether we actually finish top 4 is a separate thing that depends many different factors but I think it’s fair enough to say the squad is more than good enough to do if. I think the same of 2 of the other 3teams around us. I don’t think there was anything disparaging to other teams or overconfident in saying that. I certainly didn’t get that from his post.

Any title talk is nonsense though.
 
TheReligion said:
Oh I agree but I don’t think you have ‘more than enough’ which suggests it will be easy nor do I think currently challenging the top 2 for the title is realistic.
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Unless pool or city (or both) have bad seasons then no one is getting top 2 this season. United won’t be as trash as they were last season therefore 3-4 will be between Chelsea, United and Spurs. Arsenal will be 5-6 again.
 
roonster09 said:
It's the usual "we didn't want him anyway" "we didn't want him so badly" pr stunt that clubs do when players reject the move. If Tuchel wasn't convinced then Chelsea wouldn't have spent 2 summers to sign him, they wouldn't have made effort to agree fee with Sevilla.
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Straight from the horses mouth.

 
WeePat said:
Straight from the horses mouth.

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Maybe they started to have doubts and pulled out after learning that Barca are in for him and made an offer? You don't negotiate for months and then just pull out randomly.
 
dove said:
Maybe they started to have doubts and pulled out after learning that Barca are in for him and made an offer? You don't negotiate for months and then just pull out randomly.
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Certainly possible, but I was just responding to the ‘it’s just a PR stunt’ claim, which to be fair I also thought was the case.
 
WeePat said:
Straight from the horses mouth.

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They had doubts on player willingness to join? As that's what was reported that last min Xavi spoke with the player and player travelled for preseason.
 
roonster09 said:
They had doubts on player willingness to join? As that's what was reported that last min Xavi spoke with the player and player travelled for preseason.
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Monchi says the deal was agreed between all 3 parties - Sevilla, Chelsea and Kounde. Hence the ‘he was sold’ bit. Don’t know if Chelsea pulling out was a reaction to the player being seduced by Barca. That is obviously a big possibility.
 
WeePat said:
Monchi says the deal was agreed between all 3 parties - Sevilla, Chelsea and Kounde. Hence the ‘he was sold’ bit. Don’t know if Chelsea pulling out was a reaction to the player being seduced by Barca. That is obviously a big possibility.
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Ofcourse deal was agreed, Kounde had deal agreed with Chelsea and in the last min he didn't give his final answer. Thats what was reported too.

What Monchi says actually ties back to what was reported.
 
We should let Azpi and Alonso leave if they're not happy.

Looks like Dest and Braithwaite can be available, backup full back and striker for squad ?

We should be looking to give Colwill and Ampadu a chance to breakthrough this season.

How many defenders do we then need ?
 
Mb194dc said:
We should let Azpi and Alonso leave if they're not happy.

Looks like Dest and Braithwaite can be available, backup full back and striker for squad ?

We should be looking to give Colwill and Ampadu a chance to breakthrough this season.

How many defenders do we then need ?
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Maehle linked with us recently for wing back back up. Can play in both wings as well. Decent back up if we signed him. Not sure about dest.
 
Mb194dc said:
We should let Azpi and Alonso leave if they're not happy.

Looks like Dest and Braithwaite can be available, backup full back and striker for squad ?

We should be looking to give Colwill and Ampadu a chance to breakthrough this season.

How many defenders do we then need ?
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Arnau Martinez (RB) of Girona is a very interesting player.
 
Rajiztar said:
Maehle linked with us recently for wing back back up. Can play in both wings as well. Decent back up if we signed him. Not sure about dest.
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Just because he's supposedly available now and they want Alonso and Azpi. So do a deal.

All very well picking targets, doing business with Barcelona should be easier as they want our players already.
 
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