Pity we don't have Willian anymore to sell to them. Perhaps they'd be interested in Marcos Alonso? He's really very good at attacking as long as you don't ask him to pass or dribble!
Chelsea 2020/21 - General discussion
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Pity we don't have Willian anymore to sell to them. Perhaps they'd be interested in Marcos Alonso? He's really very good at attacking as long as you don't ask him to pass or dribble!
We aren’t the sort of club who would give such a good career to a killer.
I mean, your all time top scorer has been arrested for drink driving but go off mate
Well Ole did finish top 3. You sure Frank can do the same?
So finishing third (that’s what Ole did) you will still want Frank to get sacked? 4 points out of 9 I won’t have high hopes you have that much better points total than last year.
Sacked (If it was my choice) will depend on the brand of football he's playing and if or not we look worse than the year before but if we don't improve on 66 points then he will be very much fair game to criticism and under intense pressure the following season if he remains, and rightly so.
At this stage of our process points takes priority over position in terms of how well Lampard is evolving us. Take these two hypothetical examples at both ends of the scale, we get 80 points but unbelievably there's 4 teams who get more vs we get 66 points again but everyone else is so shit it get us 3rd or 2nd, i know which one would give me more faith in Frank going forward in terms of his ability to get us back challenging and surely it's the same re you guys and OGS?
That United’s attack is very imbalanced and you require WC recruitment to provide competition?
There is literally a MMM=BBC thread on here! Yeah I'm the idiot
Liverpool's trio has Firmino in it, someone who's teammates are more surprised than fans when he scores. Their goal scorers are Mane and Salah. Firmino is just a false 9 tasked with link up play and dragging out defenders to create space for the wingers. That's just how their system functions. Now I've not bothered to check the stats, but when you say outscored them, do you mean in all competitions or just PL and domestic cups?
A Chelsea fan not rating a United player as highly as some United fans on a United forum, of course the top reds won't have that. Its understandable though, every fanbase has those.
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Post Fernandes the style of play of Ole was great to watched. One of the best period post SAF. I can say even frank haven’t had that good a period for Chelsea till now. It tapered out towards the end because of fatigue and after two games this season all the pundits are saying they can see no style of play.
if you have won at least 2 of the last 3 games I would have higher hopes of getting 80 points. I know it’s early in the season but 4 points out of 9 and still aiming for 80 points season? You are severely underestimating the strength of the league. Leicester just beat city 5-2. We got our backs handed to us 3-1 by palace. You shipped 3 goals against who? And don’t forget the much improved arsenal and high flying Leeds. If you think Frank can get you a lot of points vs the top 6 and drop close to none against bottom teams then that is more of a hope than anything. Only teams I see getting above 80 is city and Liverpool. I thought you guys were going to challenge them before the kick of the ball but after these 3 games I don’t think you get close to them. You can’t say you did very well against Brighton too.
Like i said they were examples on both ends of the scale, 80 points being best case and 66 points being the worst.
Not really sure how a two points difference after three games is the deal breaker to potentially being able to get 80 points or not, especially in a season like this one where pre season was basically non existent which means we're seeing some beyond weird results we won't see when teams settle down, not just in England either, Bayern got a royal pasting today by Hoffenheim and Dortmund didn't fare much better at Augsburg.
How often in the space of three matchday's do you see all of United conceding 3 against Palace and it flattering them, Liverpool conceding 3 at home to newly promoted team, City conceding 5 at home, Chelsea conceding 3 in half an hour to West Brom, Wolves losing 4-0, Arsenal getting outplayed by West Ham and getting the jammiest win possible, Everton looking like Pep's Barca away to Spurs? And that's before we go across the continent and see PSG lost their first two games, and Bayern/Dortmund both were comfortably disposed off by medicore opposition this weekend. Honestly wouldn't surprise me if Arsenal win at Anfield tomorrow to top this madness off.
The first three games is no barometer to make accurate judgements at the best of times, at this point it's next to useless.
Top post. My sentiments exactly.
What’s really interesting is that both Ole and Lampard have spent similar amounts of money on the same total number of players:
Ole = Maguire (£80m), AWB (£50m), James (£18m), Bruno (£50m), DVB (£40m) = £238m
Lampard = Werner (£47m), Chillwell (£50m), Havertz (£75m), Ziyech (£35m), Mendy (£18m) = £225m
Shouldn't United fans be expecting Ole to be challenging for the title this season? Where anything below 2nd should be considered a total failure and Ole sacked given that you finished 3rd last season?
You might cite a difference, that Ole’s spending is spread across 2 seasons whiles Lampard got them all in one, but doesn't that also work in favor of Ole? The only player he has to work on integrating into his team now is DVB, with a team he's entered a third season with. Lampard has to integrate all 5 signings and a free transfer into a team he's only entered his second season with.
Plus isn't Ole in like his 11th year as a pro manager? Whiles Lampard is in his 3rd?
Both teams might still do some more business before deadline day so the questions is
(1) Do United fans think Ole should be challenging for the title or do more than 3rd place given how much he's spent so far?
(2) If United were to get Sancho and other players and Ole fails to challenge for the title or improve on the third place finish, will he warrant a sack?
(3) On what basis will you want to give him another season?
(4) Do you hold your manager to similar standards and expectations you have of managers of rival teams?
Ole = Maguire (£80m), AWB (£50m), James (£18m), Bruno (£50m), DVB (£40m) = £238m
Lampard = Werner (£47m), Chillwell (£50m), Havertz (£75m), Ziyech (£35m), Mendy (£18m) = £225m
Shouldn't United fans be expecting Ole to be challenging for the title this season? Where anything below 2nd should be considered a total failure and Ole sacked given that you finished 3rd last season?
You might cite a difference, that Ole’s spending is spread across 2 seasons whiles Lampard got them all in one, but doesn't that also work in favor of Ole? The only player he has to work on integrating into his team now is DVB, with a team he's entered a third season with. Lampard has to integrate all 5 signings and a free transfer into a team he's only entered his second season with.
Plus isn't Ole in like his 11th year as a pro manager? Whiles Lampard is in his 3rd?
Both teams might still do some more business before deadline day so the questions is
(1) Do United fans think Ole should be challenging for the title or do more than 3rd place given how much he's spent so far?
(2) If United were to get Sancho and other players and Ole fails to challenge for the title or improve on the third place finish, will he warrant a sack?
(3) On what basis will you want to give him another season?
(4) Do you hold your manager to similar standards and expectations you have of managers of rival teams?
You have to note the condition of the squad’s from when they took over. Ole took over a team that had alot of deadwood and no coherent attack. Lampard took over from a team that finished 3rd and europa league champions who had a very good squad.
That lost a player who contributed almost half the teams goals that season
That was replaced by another player who is a like for like replacement. While not in stature but in the same position. If hazard left and you didn’t have a replacement I would be more sympathetic
Its the same standards for me. Ole spent and min target was top 4 he got top 3. Frank spent the same so shouldn’t he hathe same minimum expectations? Anything less than top 4 is a sack imo and anything not top 3 is a failure.
For Ole this season anything less than top 4 is a failure. He didn’t spend this season to improve on last while the rest of the teams did so it is unlikely we will think he will be challenging for title?
I am not sure you understand, But I am saying I doubt frank is going to finish top 3. I may be wrong but I like my odds. I can tell you now with the pre-season expectations of Frank I don’t think he is not going to achieve it (I.e. finishing top 3 nevermind ending in 80 points). Will need a drastic improvement and I can’t see it coming. Only thing good for Chelsea is they have got a decent big squad so it may work in their favour given the fixtures congestion this season.
So did Ole
Why have you ignored the Kovacic signing?
Or Pulisic who became available to Lampard as Chelsea manager?
No. That you haven't got a fecking clue and you prove it with every post.
For which I hope we he was harshly admonished. Alonso is a killer though.
What do Chelsea fans make of Werner? Looks a bit off the pace to me. Let's see how he does once he's settled into the league
Because he's talking about signings made when Lampard was in charge, not before.
If we want to go back before Lampard or Ole took over, it becomes a different conversation.
Lampard will be sacked before Christmas. He was roman's guy for transition season last year and did pretty good job. Now, with all this money spent, Roman will want titles. Few more bad results and he will bring Poch or Allegri
Kovacic was signed by Lampard. He had option not to buy though.
Or maybe you're the problem? Ever thought of that? On evidence from the various player performance threads on here I'd say a fair chunk of United fan base on here share in my observations of your attack. If you can't stomach an oppo fan not rating Rashford as much as you want to, that's your problem mate.
Willing to bet on that? Worst case scenario for Lampard is we fail to make top4 and he's moved on after the season.
Kovacic was signed before Lampard became Chelsea manager. This was after already being part of our team the previous season. With the circumstances surrounding the club at that time(transfer ban) the club were going to make him permanent whether it was Lampard in charge, another manager or Sarri staying, esp with RLC getting that long term Achilles injury.
Pulisic was signed in mid January, safe to say none of the managers Abramovich would have envisioned to place on a list in anticipation of replacing Sarri with around that time had any input in his signing. Even Sarri himself didn't.
Not rating as highly or coming up with nonsense like "all he can do is run fast". Like I said worse version of Glaston. To make it worse, you included Martial also in your post, "all your attackers do is run fase". fecking hell, there is delusion and there are posters like you.
Then the stupid penalty jibe at Bruno when your manager made a career out of it.
Kovacic was on loan with option to buy. Lampard as a manager has an option not to buy him if he doesn't want him, Lampard was hired as football manager not just mere of head coach. Just because it wasn't Lampard who had the first idea to sign him doesn't mean Lampard didn't get involve with the final decision to sign him.
I mean they basically did the exact same thing; Rooney got lucky and Alonso didn't. Regardless, he's awful and I hope you buy him off us.
Considering we only missed out on goal difference, yeah probably. Don't really care what position we're in though as long as the point total improves.
The decision to pick up the option occurred before Lampard was hired.
Chelsea fans getting really antsy at the moment.
“And hit shots very hard sometimes on target”. You've got to be accurate with these things buddy.
And wait are “jibes” supposed to be wise? I thought “Penalty Lord” would be more apt as he's really good at it. Would have hone with “King of the Turnover Circus” but that's a bit too long and overdramatic, no?
You should by now I've stopped taking this back and forth seriously and I'm not going to sugercoat my opinions of United players to suit your delicate sensibilities. Best you just ignore and move on.
Like I said, Kovacic was signed before Lampard became Chelsea manager. I know you might think its naïve to think discussions didn't take place behind the scenes before both player and manager were confirmed, which id totally agree with you on if precedent hasnt already been set with the club signing players even the current manager had no input in, much less an incoming manager
Accurate?
There you go for accuracy.
You don't have to sugarcoat anything, you just have to stop talking nonsense. When you talk nonsense, expect it to be called out. If you are so uncomfortable, maybe you should start posting blogs with comments turned off.
Good point and very good post. I hadn't realised results across Europe were as mental as the first few results we've seen in England and it actually makes me feel a little better about Chelsea's very up and down start to the season.
He only looked off the pace in the West Brom game to be fair. He was our best attacker in the first two games vs Brighton and Liverpool. He hasn't scored yet but people on this forum, me included, noted that he looked really sharp and aggressive, as opposed to Havertz who people focused their criticism on. Havertz has actually improved with each passing game. Werner was a bit poor in the West Brom, albeit being unlucky to not get his first goal when he hit the bar.
I think people, mostly Chelsea fans, forget this sometimes. We had lost Hazard, unable to sign new players and we had a completely untested rookie manager. Arsenal and Liverpool forums were predicting Chelsea to fall back into mid-table obscurity, basing that view on Abramovich supposedly losing interest in the club. United fans on this forum viewed Chelsea far more positively than that, but even here the general consensus at the time was Chelsea 6th place at best.
I don't think Lampard has been amazing. If we're discussing the degree of good, he'd likely fall somewhere between quite good and very good. Whether he's the guy to lead us to domestic and European glory remains to be seen but he's certainly put us in a good position to launch our assault on the summit.
Wells! I guess in your quest to throw a hissy fit you missed out on this? Which I doubt as I quoted you
Oh look the accuracy i was talking about right there in the first few sentences. Bummer you missed that.
Funny as the first time I actually mentioned Martial I said he was a far better footballer than Rashford. I even specifically mentioned Daniel James as the other ‘runs a lot’ winger. Do you disagree with these assessments? Is your problem with me basically Rashford? Didn't realise using mean words was going to make some children cry.
He's a good footballer with an abundance of pace and a mean shoot. There you go, can we end this now?
I'm not the being unhinged mate. I'm just bored. Your constant references to Glaston is quiet concerning though, its reeks of an obsession.
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Yes, lot to point out on how clueless you are but then you will come up with "my opinion mate"
Martial is not a CF but he is forced to play there shows how clueless you are, and also that you barely watch games but goes with what's written on twitter by meme accounts.
Rashford played almost all his career as LW and had his best season as LW but moan about how he is not a CF. fecking hell, this looks like copied directly from Twitter which won't be first time by a Chelsea fan either.
Mean words, children cry
Keep digging, you said that about Martial after someone already called out your BS.
What you said actually make sense in a vacuum.
But then in the real world how do you explain a team with average footballers who can run very fast, a very talented but still too young Greenwood, the Penalty lord, a team full of holes, with an average manager finish ahead of a very good team with a very good manager?
I mean something got to give right?
And we'll finish ten points ahead of them this season too. This thread will be funny.
Kova was signed on a perm before Lampard came in.
Agree mainly.
Scored in friendly, won 2 penalties already and is playing wide not as CF often.
Thought bar chance was not an easy one, ball really fizzed at him, very hard to control shot.
Havertz had a mare debut and improved hugely in last couple of games.
We need Pulisic and Ziyech back to play on the wings.
I'm sure we'll score loads of goals this season. It's the defence we need focus on improving.