Do we know what type of injury it was?
Championship: Charlton vs United Women | March 24th - United win 1-2
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I really hope the woman injured is ok. Scary to read the updates.
Notwithstanding the massive delay and need of an ambulance, a reply on their Twitter says it's not too serious. Hope that's the case.
You would think if they have called an ambulance and have been delayed 45mins then it would be something serious, can’t see it being any other way and they wouldn’t have her on oxygen if it wasn’t bad. Has to be either, head, spinal or a break really or some under lying medical issue.
As for the ambulance on site I think it’s capacity of event or having an ambulance within a certain distance available from the venue. Normally if you have a doctor on-site that covers it as long as ambulances are near by.
There don't seem to be any requirements placed on the club regarding ambulances, only on the provision of emergency medical cover. The stadium will have rules relating to crowd safety that it agrees with the local authority, but it looks like ambulances aren't part of that provision either - so it could well be just a qualified first aider requirement.
This the medical section of the competition regulations from http://www.thefa.com/-/media/thefacom-new/files/womens/fawlc-comp-rules-2018-19.ashx
I think we're probably more shocked than most fans of women's football are, we're not used to life outside the men's pro-league.
This the medical section of the competition regulations from http://www.thefa.com/-/media/thefacom-new/files/womens/fawlc-comp-rules-2018-19.ashx
MEDICAL PERSONNEL
14.1 The home Club must have a qualified doctor in attendance throughout a Competition Match who has the appropriate professional skills, qualifications and experience as required under the Club’s Club Licence. The doctor shall visit both the home and away teams’ dressing rooms before leaving the Ground.
14.2 Each Club in Tier 1 shall have a physiotherapist, who has the appropriate professional skills, qualifications and experience as required under the Club’s Club Licence, in attendance throughout all Competition Matches (which as a minimum shall be for a period of three hours, to attend to injured Players on the field of play and in the dressing room(s).
14.3 Each Club in Tier 2 shall have a physiotherapist or sports therapist, who has the appropriate professional skills, qualifications and experience as required under the Club’s Club Licence, in attendance throughout all Competition Matches (which as a minimum shall be for a period of three hours, to attend to injured Players on the field of play and in the dressing room(s).
14.4 Save in exceptional circumstances, only the Club’s physiotherapist (or sports therapist in Tier 2) described at Rule 14.2 and 14.3 and the doctor described at Rule 14.1 shall be permitted to treat Players on the field of play during Competition Matches.
14.5 Clubs shall ensure that emergency sports first aid equipment is present and in full working order at each Competition Match. Such equipment to include as a minimum a spinal board, cervical collar, fracture splints, crutches, stretchers, oxygen and a defibrillator.
14.6 Clubs shall have a documented Medical Emergency Action Plan (a “MEAP”) covering both training and Competition Match day medical emergencies. A copy of a Club’s MEAP must be submitted to the Competition Secretary by no later than 1 August in each year. The MEAP shall include the details of the Club’s medical personnel and their contact details and the location of the nearest treatment room and hospital. Home Clubs shall share their MEAP with the away Club.
14.7 Clubs shall ensure their doctor or physiotherapist (or sports therapist if applicable) keeps detailed up-to-date medical records for all Contract Players in the form and in accordance with the requirements and guidelines published by The FA from time to time.
14.8 Any Club in breach of Rules 14.1 to 14.7 shall be subject to a fixed penalty in accordance with the Table of Summary Offences and Sanctions.
14.1 The home Club must have a qualified doctor in attendance throughout a Competition Match who has the appropriate professional skills, qualifications and experience as required under the Club’s Club Licence. The doctor shall visit both the home and away teams’ dressing rooms before leaving the Ground.
14.2 Each Club in Tier 1 shall have a physiotherapist, who has the appropriate professional skills, qualifications and experience as required under the Club’s Club Licence, in attendance throughout all Competition Matches (which as a minimum shall be for a period of three hours, to attend to injured Players on the field of play and in the dressing room(s).
14.3 Each Club in Tier 2 shall have a physiotherapist or sports therapist, who has the appropriate professional skills, qualifications and experience as required under the Club’s Club Licence, in attendance throughout all Competition Matches (which as a minimum shall be for a period of three hours, to attend to injured Players on the field of play and in the dressing room(s).
14.4 Save in exceptional circumstances, only the Club’s physiotherapist (or sports therapist in Tier 2) described at Rule 14.2 and 14.3 and the doctor described at Rule 14.1 shall be permitted to treat Players on the field of play during Competition Matches.
14.5 Clubs shall ensure that emergency sports first aid equipment is present and in full working order at each Competition Match. Such equipment to include as a minimum a spinal board, cervical collar, fracture splints, crutches, stretchers, oxygen and a defibrillator.
14.6 Clubs shall have a documented Medical Emergency Action Plan (a “MEAP”) covering both training and Competition Match day medical emergencies. A copy of a Club’s MEAP must be submitted to the Competition Secretary by no later than 1 August in each year. The MEAP shall include the details of the Club’s medical personnel and their contact details and the location of the nearest treatment room and hospital. Home Clubs shall share their MEAP with the away Club.
14.7 Clubs shall ensure their doctor or physiotherapist (or sports therapist if applicable) keeps detailed up-to-date medical records for all Contract Players in the form and in accordance with the requirements and guidelines published by The FA from time to time.
14.8 Any Club in breach of Rules 14.1 to 14.7 shall be subject to a fixed penalty in accordance with the Table of Summary Offences and Sanctions.
I think we're probably more shocked than most fans of women's football are, we're not used to life outside the men's pro-league.
Do we know anything about the injury?
Only from fan twitter accounts really. There was a three way chase between the Charlton keeper, the Charlton defender and Charlie Devlin that ended up with Devlin scoring for us and the defender staying down injured.
Someone tweeted that it's reckoned just to be a rib injury, but she was having trouble breathing so they put her on oxygen. By the time the ambulance got there we had run out of emergency oxygen and Charlton had no stored supply. Hopefully there are no longterm effects for the player, and the delay doesn't matter too much in terms of affecting her recovery.
Aren't there regulations about this sort of stuff? Edit: Just saw your above post, sorry.
I hope your player recovers well, because that... Sounds a bit worrisome, honestly.
Wasn't our player it was a Charlton player. Agree hopefully she make a full recovery.
Thanks.. Hopefully she recovers soon
Damn, that sounds awful, hopefully the player recovers quickly!
From reading The Guardian it seems she sustained no serious injury, but of course with some symptoms you can’t take any chances. I’d ventere this is one of the situations that happens sometimes in the men’s game as well, but were the infrastructure in place at pro level football for men means that all we see is six people lifting the player onto a state of the art stretcher with oxygen mask on the side and then they are carried of the pitch and taken to the hospital while the match proceeds. Hopefully it was that kind of situation.
Still annoying that we lose that one-nil goal by Devlin and are left with an extra game to play, while Spurs won at Lewes and passed us in the rankings.
Still annoying that we lose that one-nil goal by Devlin and are left with an extra game to play, while Spurs won at Lewes and passed us in the rankings.
I think that's exactly what it was. It's just alien territory to us because we're United and we're not used to looking at the realities of non-league football. The finances of the Championship teams just don't permit most of them to go beyond what the FA insists on. It's no different to what happens outside men's pro football - it's just weird to see when United are in the equation.
City had a similar problem playing away at Everton 18 months ago. One of the City players broke her leg and it took over an hour for an ambulance to attend. They did complain to the FA: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/man...rds-in-womens-game/1wctqdcand9bw1ote2074ol2al
But, as I say, while some aspects of the women's game are developing fast, the money involved in having an ambulance on site at every game is a big deal for most of the clubs.
Anyone knows of the match is going to be resumed? Or maybe a replay or forfeit etc?
There's an FA enquiry but barring any big surprises in the referee's report they'll replay the match and start again.
So yeah, Charlton had no oxygen whatsoever and haven't had it for any of their games this season despite rules stating they must.
So what happens with the game?
United had a 1-0 lead after 11 minutes. If the game is to be resumed/replayed it would be a farce to not not have the game start with United leading 1-0, surely?
I dont care if they want to start the game from the 11th minute or start from 0, there is no valid reason to erase Uniteds 1-0 lead.
I assume also it was Charltons lack of oxygen that stopped the game, so they should not benefit from that.
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Further more, why has the game not been played re-scheduled and played since United did not have a game from the 13th january to 3rd february?
Amazingly United have an FA cup game the 3rd february and then the 5th february arsenal in the WSL cup - both away games.
Why have a 3 week break followed by 2 games in 3 days? Absurd really.
United had a 1-0 lead after 11 minutes. If the game is to be resumed/replayed it would be a farce to not not have the game start with United leading 1-0, surely?
I dont care if they want to start the game from the 11th minute or start from 0, there is no valid reason to erase Uniteds 1-0 lead.
I assume also it was Charltons lack of oxygen that stopped the game, so they should not benefit from that.
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Further more, why has the game not been played re-scheduled and played since United did not have a game from the 13th january to 3rd february?
Amazingly United have an FA cup game the 3rd february and then the 5th february arsenal in the WSL cup - both away games.
Why have a 3 week break followed by 2 games in 3 days? Absurd really.
We don't know about the Charlton match yet. I'm guessing it's not high on the FA's priority list. If the story that Charlton had no oxygen on site is true then the question of disciplinary action comes up. The obvious thing would seem to be to award us the match - but I bet there will be complaints if they do.
It also affects the refs who may have to sign off the emergency kits before the game. I bet most away teams don't carry emergency oxygen, so according to the rules their matches shouldn't have started. A lot of women's clubs/fans would think that (again) this is about United's high profile and us moaning, and that we just don't understand what women's football (and men's non-league) is like.
On the scheduling, yes, it's awful. Christmas shutdown then an international break, and another international break next month. They've previously scheduled women's team home matches that clash with the men's team home games. Our Brighton match overlaps with the Leicester game.
At the moment no women's FA cup matches are scheduled to be on TV or streamed. Nor are the WSL semifinals which are good-looking games (Chelsea-City and Arsenal-United). Hopefully they'll appear on the listings eventually, but it's a reminder United have been the oddities, by putting most of our home games on MUTV.
United are reckoned to be game-changers for women's club football. I think we're starting to see how much needs changing!
It also affects the refs who may have to sign off the emergency kits before the game. I bet most away teams don't carry emergency oxygen, so according to the rules their matches shouldn't have started. A lot of women's clubs/fans would think that (again) this is about United's high profile and us moaning, and that we just don't understand what women's football (and men's non-league) is like.
On the scheduling, yes, it's awful. Christmas shutdown then an international break, and another international break next month. They've previously scheduled women's team home matches that clash with the men's team home games. Our Brighton match overlaps with the Leicester game.
At the moment no women's FA cup matches are scheduled to be on TV or streamed. Nor are the WSL semifinals which are good-looking games (Chelsea-City and Arsenal-United). Hopefully they'll appear on the listings eventually, but it's a reminder United have been the oddities, by putting most of our home games on MUTV.
United are reckoned to be game-changers for women's club football. I think we're starting to see how much needs changing!
About no games from mid Jan to Feb 3, it's because we have an international break for two weeks then we are the one team sitting out next weekend as it's an 11 teams league.
But agree, the scheduling is meh.
But agree, the scheduling is meh.
The FA have confirmed that the match will be replayed. Not a surprise, but it will be interesting to see if there is any action taken to make it the home team's responsibility to have emergency oxygen on site.
Apparently Charlton have been fined £500. Cheap deal really, given how much it will cost United and the away fans.
Do we play the entire match again or we start from being a goal up?
Starts from 0-0. It was only a few minutes in when it got abandoned.
That's shit. So we lose our goal?
Match rescheduled for March 24
United covering coach costs for the fans who travelled down for the abandoned game, and Charlton offering free tickets on a "honesty" basis to fans who attended.
Manchester United WomenVerified account @ManUtdWomen 59m59 minutes ago
#MUWomen team to play Charlton (kick-off 14:00 GMT): Chamberlain; Harris, Palmer, M. Turner, Greenwood(c); Zelem, Green, Toone, Sigsworth, James, Galton. Substitutes: Ramsey, Arnot, A.Turner, Devlin, Hanson, Smith.
#MUWomen team to play Charlton (kick-off 14:00 GMT): Chamberlain; Harris, Palmer, M. Turner, Greenwood(c); Zelem, Green, Toone, Sigsworth, James, Galton. Substitutes: Ramsey, Arnot, A.Turner, Devlin, Hanson, Smith.
Spurs succumbed to pressure and lost to Sheffield United despite holding the lead. Looking good if Charlton can get beat today.
That's good news.
0-0 at HT, but according to Charlton Athletic Women's twitter we have dominated the possession and chances.
Manchester United WomenVerified account @ManUtdWomen 2m2 minutes ago
HT: Charlton 0 #MUWomen 0 All square at the interval after a half of sustained possession from the Reds who have lacked an end product so far.
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HT: Charlton 0 #MUWomen 0 All square at the interval after a half of sustained possession from the Reds who have lacked an end product so far.
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Manchester United take the lead through a Katie Zelem penalty. 0-1.
Jess Sigsworth makes it 0-2 to United. We are going to the top.
There are 732 at the game today, don't know it that is normal for Charlton or not.
Great. When I saw it was 0:0 at half time I had the feeling that it could end up being a draw - especially after us going up so early the last time we played Charlton before it got called off.
Looking at their twitter account we have dominated. It only takes one flukey goal to ruin all that, so glad we have taken control.
Is that a very high subs bench?Manchester United WomenVerified account @ManUtdWomen 2m2 minutes ago
HT: Charlton 0 #MUWomen 0 All square at the interval after a half of sustained possession from the Reds who have lacked an end product so far.
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Charlton pull a goal back. That hits our GD.
It looks it.
Charlton have pulled is back to 1-2.
Spurs lost their match, so if we can hold onto a win we'll go top tonight.
Spurs lost their match, so if we can hold onto a win we'll go top tonight.