Champions League Round of 16 (18th Feb - 8th Aug)

Put some respect on Simeone's name....better manager than Klopp. Much worse squad than Liverpool out there today and outplayed them. Felt he got everything spot on.
 
Bunch of shithouses and a massive homer ref helped them see out the game. Would have been nice to get an away goal, but still would have us as favourites to go through at Anfield. Going to be a very different game.

You couldn't even get a shot on target. Don't blame the ref for that.
Salah is so over-rated.
 
Shocking performance and even worse subs. That game needed a Shaqiri or a Keita, Origi was an awful sub to bring on in that situation and Ox should be in midfield if anywhere.
 
Dortmund game much more enjoyable 2nd half. Haaland some goal machine a pity he has such a dick of an agent.

No harm to see Liverpool beaten but when did they last lose without a shot on target? Unfortunately they will still get to the next round comfortably.
What's wrong with Haaland's agent?
 
That's how I have it too.

We did the one thing we couldn't afford tonight and that's fall behind. Even if they haven't been good lately, they still know how to fecking defend.

Big difference compared trying to score away goals in Munich this time last year wasn't it? IIRC you fell behind in that one but never felt in doubt Liverpool wouldn't score at least once.
 
In games like this, we miss creative midfielder like Coutinho. I would have loved to see Minamino instead of Origi. Here''s hoping for another magical night at Anfield.
 
There's no one outstanding performer in this Liverpool side. There are some very good players but it's a functional side which works very well as a unit. We're going to win the league based on that functionality more than our individual quality imo.
You're winning the PL the way you are thanks to a combination of functionality and great individual quality honestly. The problem here is your type of individual quality is not the right type of individual quality to break down atletico's defence. You just don't have truly great dribblers
Such a poor ref. Not that we would have scored had he been an excellent ref but he was so, so poor. This can't be the level of elite Uefa refs, Shirley? Fell for every dive, whether it was us diving or (mostly) them.
That's the level of refs outside of England, where refs think they're officiating a rugby game more often than not
 
Such a poor ref. Not that we would have scored had he been an excellent ref but he was so, so poor. This can't be the level of elite Uefa refs, Shirley? Fell for every dive, whether it was us diving or (mostly) them.

You get away with murder in the PL - VAR and tactical fouls. The ref was good, that's why you don't find it so easy to win in Europe.
 
Shocking performance and even worse subs. That game needed a Shaqiri or a Keita, Origi was an awful sub to bring on in that situation and Ox should be in midfield if anywhere.

I'm not sure why Shaquiri didn't come on when you were struggling to break them down. Seems he's very out of favour at the moment. Not really sure Keita would have bucked the trend and offered anything but yeah Shaquiri for sure.
 
Big difference compared trying to score away goals in Munich this time last year wasn't it? IIRC you fell behind in that one but never felt in doubt Liverpool wouldn't score at least once.
Nah we took the lead through Mane before they equalized, but I was a lot more confident back then than I am know. Going back home knowing you can't really afford to concede a goal is always a bit of a shit feeling.
 
You're winning the PL the way you are thanks to a combination of functionality and great individual quality honestly. The problem here is your type of individual quality is not the right type of individual quality to break down atletico's defence. You just don't have truly great dribblers

That's the level of refs outside of England, where refs think they're officiating a rugby game more often than not

Good try, but Mane or Salah are still £250m each if you're asking in the summer. :p
 
You get away with murder in the PL - VAR and tactical fouls. The ref was good, that's why you don't find it so easy to win in Europe.

They find it so hard they're the reigning European champions, and finalists the year before.
 
Atletico probably deserved the win 2-0. Fluffed a few good positions. Gotta give them credit given the injuries and recent chopping and changing they've had to do. No striker really match fit and defensive injuries.
 
Liverpool winless in their last six games away to Spanish opposition (five defeats and 1 draw)

Lucky for them they were playing a flaky Tottenham in that final last June in the Metropolitano Stadium instead of some Spanish outfit..
 
Liverpool winless in their last six games away to Spanish opposition (five defeats and 1 draw)

Lucky for them they were playing a flaky Tottenham in that final last June in the Metropolitano Stadium instead of some Spanish outfit..

That's shocking. It really is. It's not even fatigue, don't even know what it is. And to still reach two finals, winning one, makes it all the more bizarre.
 
Atletico might fold over away, I still see Liverpool as favourites even after that result. They'll need a moment like that Griezmann goal against Bayern in 2016 to go through.
 
Good try, but Mane or Salah are still £250m each if you're asking in the summer. :p
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They are, but neither is the kind of dribbler that can beat multiple defenders and break down their structure. Which means you're in the same boat we are, pumping balls into the box and hoping one of your guys gets it and scores
 
I'm not sure why Shaquiri didn't come on when you were struggling to break them down. Seems he's very out of favour at the moment. Not really sure Keita would have bucked the trend and offered anything but yeah Shaquiri for sure.
I mean he wasn’t on the bench and is injured as far as I’m aware, it’s more the general point that that’s the type of quality we needed and type of player in this kind of game. One of our strengths is we have a good cameo players off the bench if used right when we’re really up against it. Today we used none and none correctly. Keita has just come back himself but he’s been very good every time he’s played he just can’t stay fit at all, that kind of drive and penetration is what we needed to link the midfield and attackers who were completely isolated.

I can accept the midfield that started in terms of going for solidity but come 50 or so mins a more progressive sub was needed. Really was baffling sub wise tonight can’t get my head around it.

Atletico won’t make the same mistakes as Barca but if we play to our maximum we can get a result. It’s going to be extremely tough though.
 
Haaland run 60 meters in 6.6 seconds. The world record over the distance is 6.5(outside track) :eek:
 
Based on that evidence, PSG are miles off winning the CL. Miles off. So pedestrian in attack, and not even that great defensively either. If they go out against Dortmund that'll be 3 consecutive seasons they've gone out in the round of 16, which will surely see Tunchel sacked.
 
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They are, but neither is the kind of dribbler that can beat multiple defenders and break down their structure. Which means you're in the same boat we are, pumping balls into the box and hoping one of your guys gets it and scores
Mané used to be more that kind of player, capable of burning defenders from a standing start and dribbling through people. But you’re right neither he nor Salah are particularly intricate dribblers but they can be effective. I’d say we need an extra creative player at Anfield. A keita shaqiri or ox driving from midfield. Even Lallana and Minamino are options. Just not the exact three we saw tonight.
 
Liverpool winless in their last six games away to Spanish opposition (five defeats and 1 draw)

Lucky for them they were playing a flaky Tottenham in that final last June in the Metropolitano Stadium instead of some Spanish outfit..

It should be 6 straight defeats, and it would have been hard Barca not shit the bed.

Tonight was another night where the 'greatest club side ever' proved they are anything but that.
 
It should be 6 straight defeats, and it would have been hard Barca not shit the bed.

Tonight was another night where the 'greatest club side ever' proved they are anything but that.
Does anyone really call them the greatest club side ever other than Liverpool fans? Seems a wild exaggeration, havent seen anyone comparing this lot to Guardiola's Barca, the great Madrid and Bayern sides, Sacchi's Milan, or Ferguson's treble winners.
 
They find it so hard they're the reigning European champions, and finalists the year before.

They still lost to PSG, Crvena Zvezda, Napoli 2x, Barcelona and Atletico in the last 15 matches? Compared to their PL record, it's not the same ballpark.
 
It should be 6 straight defeats, and it would have been hard Barca not shit the bed.

Barca didn't shit the bed, they also destroyed us. Losing away games is as predictable for LFC as getting to CL finals for LFC. It's a curse. I think. :cool:
 
That's shocking. It really is. It's not even fatigue, don't even know what it is. And to still reach two finals, winning one, makes it all the more bizarre.
We've always struggled away at Atletico harking back to the Benitez days when we faced them a few times, Chelsea became the first and only English team to win there ever in 2017. What were the other ones the Barca 3-0 and Real Madrid in Rodger's distastrous CL group season?

Tonight I expected this outcome, they'd be pragmatic and get a bit of luck with the goal. I would have a preferred 0-0 or 1-0 to back to Anfield but it's better than them getting a second goal which they rarely score more than one or two anyway. Just have to do the job at Anfield now.
 
Does anyone really call them the greatest club side ever other than Liverpool fans? Seems a wild exaggeration, havent seen anyone comparing this lot to Guardiola's Barca, the great Madrid and Bayern sides, Sacchi's Milan, or Ferguson's treble winners.

It's mostly delusional Liverpool fans, admittedly.