Champions League | Matchday 6

11101 said:
Such a strange game. City absolutely dominated them...except for the 2 goals. Have to ask what they were doing letting Messi run at them like that, he was anonymous otherwise and everybody knows thats his favourite way to score.

Good result for everybody really. City look neutered without a striker, and PSG were second rate for most of it. Both easily beatable.
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Not sure I’d say easily beatable, but the lack of a striker is definitely an issue for them. In games against poor to average teams they’re banging them in (already scored 5 twice and 6 twice). But in tougher games they’re struggling (3 games where they haven’t scored). No matter how much you dominate the game, you still need individual quality to make the difference when it’s tight.
 
11101 said:
Such a strange game. City absolutely dominated them...except for the 2 goals. Have to ask what they were doing letting Messi run at them like that, he was anonymous otherwise and everybody knows thats his favourite way to score.

Good result for everybody really. City look neutered without a striker, and PSG were second rate for most of it. Both easily beatable.
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Both easily bearable ? For who may I ask ? PSG Defense and midfield worked excellent not one bad performance between the 7 and City on another day could of won but both are better than most if not everyone in the CL
 
432JuanMata said:
the rest you named are just decent PL players
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So we agree then, they're not a woeful team. No one is claiming we're a team full of world beaters, but the narrative that Brighton are a crap team with crap players but made amazing purely by Potter's tactics is ignorant and annoying.

A huge amount of work has gone in behind the scenes at Brighton to get us where we are today and though Potter is an important part of that and a good manager, to put it all at his door shows a complete lack of knowledge about Brighton as a club.
 
The Boy said:
So we agree then, they're not a woeful team. No one is claiming we're a team full of world beaters, but the narrative that Brighton are a crap team with crap players but made amazing purely by Potter's tactics is ignorant and annoying.

A huge amount of work has gone in behind the scenes at Brighton to get us where we are today and though Potter is an important part of that and a good manager, to put it all at his door shows a complete lack of knowledge about Brighton as a club.
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I just meant that Brighton even when they were near the relegation zone near the end of last season were the best footballing side in the bottom half for me but still don’t have many stand out players and the level the team plays at is excellent. It’s not all Potter but I think if he left Brighton be way worse off.
 
GifLord said:
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It's ironic, given Rio's argument of winning trophies and Suarez not winning any that one amazing season, that Salah's statistical best season (first, 60 goals plus assists in 52 games) Liverpool didn't win anything as well.
 
GifLord said:
Salah takes pens for Pool. Suarez didn't. Gerrard scored 10 goals from pens alone that season.
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Do they suddenly not count?

Regardless to call Rio stupid for choosing Salah over Suarez is quite something

I was thinking he said something mind blowing before you posted the video
 
Sylar said:
Do they suddenly not count?

Regardless to call Rio stupid for choosing Salah over Suarez is quite something

I was thinking he said something mind blowing before you posted the video
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His arguments were quite dumb to be frank, especially when Owen started talking about Suarez's great season, which I think the discussion was over (which player would you want for one season), and Rio said he didn't win anything. Well Salah didn't win anything in his one season that can even compete with Suarez's.
 
Sylar said:
Do they suddenly not count?

Regardless to call Rio stupid for choosing Salah over Suarez is quite something

I was thinking he said something mind blowing before you posted the video
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Imagine if they didn't count goals against Norwich, Suarez would probably be short around 10 goals for Liverpool in every season he was there.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
His arguments were quite dumb to be frank, especially when Owen started talking about Suarez's great season, which I think the discussion was over (which player would you want for one season), and Rio said he didn't win anything. Well Salah didn't win anything in his one season that can even compete with Suarez's.
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Rio didn't present himself well, that I won't disagree with. Owen came off better in making a case.
Both had good seasons statistically. As I said I wouldn't argue either way as it's not like one blows the other out completely

Amar__ said:
Imagine if they didn't count goals against Norwich, Suarez would probably be short around 10 goals for Liverpool in every season he was there.
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I never understand the 'x amount of goals are penalties' argument
Penalties are high pressure moments that get to the best of players as we saw on the weekend (and weekend before)
You can always flip the argument and say Suarez didn't have the bottle as a striker to take penalties, not that I agree with that

Anyway yeah, feck Liverpool

Today vs Villarreal, hopefully we get points and it's not the usual 0-0 or 1-1 draw
 
It would be easy to say Suarez because he was phenomenal in that season but Mo was also extremely good in the CL run Liverpool had, I’d say there’s very little between them only Suarez was probably the more eye catching.
 
11101 said:
Such a strange game. City absolutely dominated them...except for the 2 goals. Have to ask what they were doing letting Messi run at them like that, he was anonymous otherwise and everybody knows thats his favourite way to score.

Good result for everybody really. City look neutered without a striker, and PSG were second rate for most of it. Both easily beatable.
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Such a strange take.

'Easily beatable' by who ?
 
Sylar said:
I never understand the 'x amount of goals are penalties' argument
Penalties are high pressure moments that get to the best of players as we saw on the weekend (and weekend before)
You can always flip the argument and say Suarez didn't have the bottle as a striker to take penalties, not that I agree with that
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Because penalties have absolutely nothing to do with being a good attacker. One of the best takers in Bundesliga history was a goal keeper. Most teams even have several players who can take them. Stat providers even categorize between non penalty goals and pens.
 
do.ob said:
Because penalties have absolutely nothing to do with being a good attacker. One of the best takers in Bundesliga history was a goal keeper. Most teams even have several players who can take them. Stat providers even categorize between non penalty goals and pens.
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Yes but part of being a player is how well you deal with pressure situations
Missing a one on one is not remembered as much as missing a penalty

I assume the question wasn't who would you have if penalties were not a thing
Both had really good seasons individually and to call somebody stupid for either a) picking one above the other (as if we're comparing heskeys best season to Messis best season) or b) not being able to articulate an argument as well as somebody else is bizarre

Deery said:
It would be easy to say Suarez because he was phenomenal in that season but Mo was also extremely good in the CL run Liverpool had, I’d say there’s very little between them only Suarez was probably the more eye catching.
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This is fair and as a neutral? (I mean as I said fck Liverpool and their players) I wouldn't go massively one way or another when just looking at on field performances (and removing any cntish thing either player did)
 
Sylar said:
This is fair and as a neutral? (I mean as I said fck Liverpool and their players) I wouldn't go massively one way or another when just looking at on field performances (and removing any cntish thing either player did)
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Well as neutral as a United fan can be, I don’t really care for either but Salah is proving to be an exceptional player so consistent.
 
The PSG-City first half was otherworldly good football, Brazil 1982 level, but trophies are not won in September. City should really go for a striker in January, and Pep might have hit just another stinker as a manager with not taking Ronaldo in last month, as the perfect poacher for his latest (possibly last...) tiki taka instalment. I am not sure peak City would beat peak PSG, though... PSG was still missing Ramos and, if you want, Wynaldum in the middle... and in spite of that, they just strolled all game, making an exemplary, still toothless City look like a glorified Shakhtar Donetsk. They seem so vastly superior, at individual level.
 
Bepi said:
The PSG-City first half was otherworldly good football, Brazil 1982 level, but trophies are not won in September.
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Was it? I watched it with a friend and we got so bored by it that we switched to the simulcast after the first half.
 
432JuanMata said:
Both easily bearable ? For who may I ask ? PSG Defense and midfield worked excellent not one bad performance between the 7 and City on another day could of won but both are better than most if not everyone in the CL
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City are arguably in a worse position than they were last season. They've strengthened an area where they weren't weak and they lack somebody to put the ball in the net.

If they had a striker they would have hammered PSG, who short of one Messi run and a couple of defenders playing out of their skins couldn't get into the game.
 
So if he touched the ball but then severed the other guy's leg, or plain shot him in the head, is it still a yellow?
 
11101 said:
City are arguably in a worse position than they were last season. They've strengthened an area where they weren't weak and they lack somebody to put the ball in the net.

If they had a striker they would have hammered PSG, who short of one Messi run and a couple of defenders playing out of their skins couldn't get into the game.
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They wouldn't have, this is pure speculation.

They are just really bad finishers.
 
adexkola said:
They wouldn't have, this is pure speculation.

They are just really bad finishers.
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But if they had a really prolific and deadly striker - a great finisher -, they probably would have done better last night.
 
FreakyJim said:
So if he touched the ball but then severed the other guy's leg, or plain shot him in the head, is it still a yellow?
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Think it depends. Does the bullet stay in? Or does it go in and out. It's only a red if it hits the brain AFAIK.
 
FreakyJim said:
So if he touched the ball but then severed the other guy's leg, or plain shot him in the head, is it still a yellow?
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I believe in MLS they call that standing your ground, but in Europe it's up to the ref to decide.
 
What's going on with Fassnacht? Is he injured? A big blow for Young Boys.
 
I was hoping for some David Wagner magic, but it seems like Atalanta have them completely under control.
 
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