Because they played an insanely high line while trying to go get a goal, and lost their shape in the process. I think Nagelsmann learnt from that mistake and didn't push them as suicidaly high as he did at OT.
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Because they played an insanely high line while trying to go get a goal, and lost their shape in the process. I think Nagelsmann learnt from that mistake and didn't push them as suicidaly high as he did at OT.
They don't have the legs. It's really that simple
Inter played 4 games so far and Vidal, the player Conte essentially blackmailed them to sign, single-handedly cost them 2 of those
PSG have been missing Verratti, nevermind Thiago
The one constant for them through the years. With Verratti they're great. Without they're pedestrian
I agreed. Just pointing out it's a game of two teams. Our tactic against Leipzig was spot on that drawing them out. While Tuchel being a purist, trying to have a go at Leipzig on a shaky foundation allowing Leipzig taking better control of the game.
This was the worst year to be paired with group of death and that's what has happened to us. Chelsea's group is a joke and Liverpool, city also have been pretty lucky with theirs. Hopefully we get the job done against psg.
Pretty annoying that ironically we only lost to the weakest team of the group.
Well isn't that quintessential United under Ole?
I know right. Only we could do that. Beat PSg away and thrash Leipzig and lose to Istanbul.
I would actually still prefer Atletico as our record against Real is terrible. And the one time we were in control of the tie we got unlucky with Nani’s sending off. But yes based on their style of play we would probably prefer Real to an Airbus.
Feel like they're one result away from being out of Serie A title run. Not being able to qualify for Europa League, then it's costly to have explosive Conte around. He wouldn't stop demanding, but it's not worth it at that point.They don't have the legs. It's really that simple
Inter played 4 games so far and Vidal, the player Conte essentially blackmailed them to sign, single-handedly cost them 2 of those
Current Inter side are so overrated by some so called experts. An easier group to get out of than Uniteds but they will likely finish bottom.
Considering our injury list I'll forgive the odd blip. It wasn't a good performance but we'll move on and get over it. We should qualify if we beat Ajax.
Loved the Referee in the Liverpool vs Atalanta game tonight.Such a breath of fresh air to see players diving all over the field from minimum contact, and the referee just letting play continue. The game has become so soft it's embarassing sometimes.
Yeah noticed that as well He was letting things go for both sides. To be honest I thought some of them were blatant fouls but he wasn't in the mood.
PSGs build up suffered due to their midfield against RBL and not because of their defence hence Tuchel adopting a more conservative approach.
Against Rashford? It was a mixture of Upamecano having a poor game and Nagelsmann going gung ho in the last 20 minutes which opened up huge gaps hence the score line. Similar to how Spurs thrashed us 6-1 at home.
This is not true IMO. Tuchel adopted a conservative approach with a deeper defensive line.
So why couldn't PSG do it now what they were able to do few months ago. They didn't have Veratti for that game too? Why Tuchel suddenly decoded to do so, when even in this season, they also start a very high line?
That's a question only Tuchel can answer. But in the games against RBL in the group stage this season he's played very compact and RBL have also had Ibrahima Konate return alongside Upamecano which has greatly aided them in playing the high line even more effectively.
I like that a lot. I would support such a rule.
3 games in a row PSG is losing the possession battle after the away defeat to Leipzig. Even in that game despite having 1 game down, they came out with more possession.
And since the start of this season, their dominance in term of possesion has seen a decline after their defeat to us. The sign was there when they met Nice, as both teams had equal possession despite PSG won with comfortable score line. PSG used to be able to get high 50% or more in possession, but has recently seen teams having a go at them as they failed to contain them, and controlled the game. PSG had become less dominant, and even was there for the taking.
So my point is it's the story of both teams. PSG has become vulnerable and Leipzig saw the chance and tried to have a go in this recent game. It's not by choice that PSG got pinned back, but their inability to push forward.
Possession doesn't mean you're playing a attacking brand of football though. Nagelsmann for example wants to transition play quickly in the most efficient way possible playing a high tempo game on and off the ball.
But the difference is that his team was leaving their CBs in 1v1 situations high up the pitch which allowed them to throw more bodies forward hence making it difficult for PSG to transition effectively. Konate in tandem with Upamecano made a huge difference in that regard due to their ability to defend space in behind and advance play via dribbling the ball out of defence which gave RBL a numerical advantage in midfield or even out wide when Konate made forays forward on the right.
I am not equalling possession with attacking. I said controlling the game as in defensive mechanism. PSG is letting teams having a go at them.
The first 30 minutes of the away game, PSG dominated Leipzig, and exploited the space left by Leipzig high line just fine. During those period, PSG was still vulnerable against Leipzig, and afterward, Leipzig just cut through them and gained in confidence thus paying them less respect.
In this game Leipzig just chose to contain PSG from the get go after the experience from the last game and how PSG had been doing in the league. PSG has issue with their build up. Cutting the supply then their forwards would often found isolated and outnumbered.
Keeper is part of the team, too. And finishing and the mentality for it is also a part of gameplay.
But I actually liked the way Bayern played after going down to 10 men or even some before in the second half.
This games and a podcast Jesse Marsh had in the international break about the first game remember me on something Müller said 2010 and 2011 after Bayern lost against Inter Milan. Marsh admired of Müller exactly the same boldness and smartness young Müller admired of that Inter team with the veterans when a relatively young Bayern team lost against them in 2010 and 2011. It just shows that there is more to this game then just the first visible factors. The ideal team for me has to be a team mixed of all age groups.
There is no team without problems this season. And the season will get difficult for everybody. I do not know if you really can tell already now how this season will end. It will all depend a lot on who and how much get injured in the teams and with that the fitness teams and manmanagement get extremely impartant - and how good the team reacts and bonds - especially those that did not have much preparation.
Who is qualified for the group stages:
Group A
1st Bayern
2nd Atletico/Lok Moscow/Salzburg
3rd Atletico/Lok Moscow/Salzburg
4th Atletico/Lok Moscow/Salzburg
Group B
1st/2nd/3rd Gladbach
1st/2nd/3rd/4th Real Madrid / Donetzk / Inter
Group C
1st/2nd Manchester City / FC Porto
3rd/4th Olympiacos / Marseille
Group D
1st/2nd/3rd Liverpool / Ajax / Atalanta Bergamo
4th Midtylland
Group E
1st/2nd Chelsea / Sevilla
3rd/4th Rennes / Krasnodar
Group F
1st/2nd/3rd Dortmund/Lazio/Brügge
3rd/4th Zenit St. Petersburg
Group G
1st/2nd Barcelona/Juve
3rd/4th Dynamo Kyiv / Ferencvaros Budapest
Group H
1st/2nd/3rd/4th United / PSG / Red Bull Leipzig / Basaksehir
I am not sure if there is not a theoretical chance that United can go to 4th if all team at the end would have 9 points.
So Bayern, City, Porto, Chelsea, Sevilla, Barcelona and Juve are the first seven to reach the final stage.
Did I get everything right?
Salah looked ill. Playing youngsters is high risk. I wouldn't laugh because at the end of the day they'll probably win it and the league and we'll win nothing.
I think we will qualify, we probably have higher chances to top the group than anything else given our GD.
The more our fitness is back, the better it will be for us anyway.
I am in love with the Liverpool result. Because many bothers me by telling me how Klopp is great and how youngsters can come into a system and "perform".
Well, even their senior players didn't perform, so system is not all that matters, especially if the energy level is not there.
But strangely enough, that point only applies to Ole, never to Klopp or others. Only Ole is responsible when the energy level is not there...
Anyway, we will see much more results like that for Liverpool, simply because they've been too lucky with injuries and it will hit them hard as well.
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Fitness and form, quite simply, along with experience. It was a single game semifinal
There's no inevitability about it. They are as vulnerable as any team on a bad day with or without crowds. Bayern still look the team to beat and I don't believe they have hit full stride yet.
Given both Liverpool and Atalanta beat ML, Ajax are in a weird situation that a win against Liverpool and a draw against Atalanta (ending in 11 points) might not be enough to proceed, where a lose against Liverpool and a win against Atalanta will be enough to proceed for sure (with 10 points).
A win against Atalanta is a must, then the result against Liverpool doesnt matter...
A win against Atalanta is a must, then the result against Liverpool doesnt matter...
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That is seriously bad by them.
I am fine with it. Remember how Europa League Twitter account told us "See you soon" when we got our group?
Hopefully Inter getting eliminated will get them talking too, like "We were waiting for you" or something of that nature...
But mostly, it will crack me up to see Lukaku not understand how we qualify while they don't, as he was convinced we were s***.
Wouldn't Inter not qualify 3 seasons in a row then? That would be funny to see as well.
Next: Manchester City away
Next: Manchester City away
For me, this is a mystery. They are doing OK in the league so why can't they win some games in the CL?!? So weird...
Haha, re-read my post.. Fixed it.. My bad!
I'm not sure, but somebody else mentioned that yesterday, unless it was you of course, if it wasn't you then it could be right.
Next: Manchester City away
In fairness.. it wasn’t an easy fixture list that. Still a bad record
Indeed, i'm not like that
Damn Liverpool and their B squadWe didn't qualify yet, Olympiacos still has a possibility although it's not easy.
They need to win both remaining games (and we need to lose both) and in their game vs us they need either to win 2-0 and in the end have a better goal difference than us (currently +5 / -5 and we have better attack 8 / 1) or win with a 3 goal difference so that they win the direct confrontation advantage.
1/ Played for shitty
2/ Nonchently said it was not a penalty on Rashford after being show the replay where its clear as night/day that we was barged in the back
3/ Couldnt name the players who were involved in the lead up to a goal on a match he was meant to be commentating on
Plank.....
First of all my mistake because their next match is against Olympiacos at home
I think meanwhile it must be the head/confidence.