Challenge on McTominay today

Thought it was a pen instantly. The defender didn’t really have a chance to get to the ball first, so just body checked McTominay. Heard Mou ask the 4th official; if that’s not a pen then what is?

Summed up my thoughts pretty well.
 
Even though the ref looks right at them from that angle, it’s impossible to tell what he is actually focusing on. Perhaps on Lukaku/keeper/defender who just had a coming together? Lukaku did in fact push the defender right before this happened for an obvious free-kick, but I didn’t see if it was a free-kick or goal-kick or whatever happened next. The situation was also pretty strange, you don’t often see challenges like that... perhaps that’s why the referee didn’t whistle as he didn’t understand what really did happened.

Shocking stuff regardless, it was a violent and abysmal charge, extremely cowardly from the defender. McTominay could have suffered a big consussion from that and furthermore; a blow like that is much, much more dangerous than a straigt-to-the-leg tackle. I would go as far and say that it should have been a 10 match ban, that’s how dangerous it is. Typical case of «since we’re not used to it - we won’t act on it» - this would be a lengthy ban in the NHL. Suckerpunch at speed with power, no more games for you the next ten weeks.
 
It’s a baffling non-call. The referee could not have had a better view of it. The challenge was late, violent and dangerous. I don’t think there was even an attempt to play the ball. How he didn’t award a penalty is truly inexplicable. I’m glad the kid was alright and able to play on.

The standard of officiating certainly seems to have dropped in recent years. I’m not sure why. I’m not suggesting it’s an easy job - the game is faster all the time and too many players seem to take pride in trying to con the officials - it’s understandable that mistakes will be made. Failure to identify a foul that obvious and aggregious, however, is indicative of incompetence.
 
Red card and penalty. Its laughable that it was not given. The ref was just incompetent.
 
Arbitrium said:
What’s with the agenda here? Mctominay was able to carry on, we won comfortably so the decision didn’t affect us and it’s pretty much universally agreed it was a clear pen. Why waste air time on something that didn’t matter in the end?
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The agenda is that it’s one rule for everyone else and another for us. As blatant a penalty and red as you’ll ever see. The defender was looking at McTominay all the way until he clattered through him. Didn’t even glance at the ball. The ref was literally staring at the whole incident.
Now flip this to the vilification of Ashley Young, his 3 match ban and the media were out in force to get him banned.
MOTD basically laughed at this incident and moved on.
 
In rugby you would be sent off for that. Leading with your shoulder. And this is football.
 
@Rozay Being a bit generous calling it a challenge. It’s a red card and a penalty (not that we had a hope in hell of scoreing the pen anyway)
 
VancouverUtdFan said:
Refs :lol:
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It has absolutely nothing to do with the final score. It was an extremely dangerous foul on our player in the box after he had headed it goal bound. What if he had suffered a serious concussion? Does that change anything for you? The interpretation on the rules have no bearing on if the player was injured or what the final score was.
 
WyoManU said:
It has absolutely nothing to do with the final score. It was an extremely dangerous foul on our player in the box after he had headed it goal bound. What if he had suffered a serious concussion? Does that change anything for you? The interpretation on the rules have no bearing on if the player was injured or what the final score was.
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Was this meant for @Arbitrium?
 
WyoManU said:
It has absolutely nothing to do with the final score. It was an extremely dangerous foul on our player in the box after he had headed it goal bound. What if he had suffered a serious concussion? Does that change anything for you? The interpretation on the rules have no bearing on if the player was injured or what the final score was.
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I’m not questioning interpretation of the rules. I’m confused with some of the comments carrying the undertone of “they aren’t talking about it enough because it’s united, Liverpool or city player and they’d be all over it”. If the game had finished 0-0, this would have been a huge talking point. There was already enough narrative in this game for the media, pogba being dropped, Sanchez home debut etc, so I can see why it didn’t get focussed on as much as some people seem to think it should have.

There was enough going on in this game to talk about so no real point in spending any length of time discussing a wrong penalty call that didn’t affect the outcome or (at least for the moment, who knows with concussion) affect a players health. Every single person agrees stonewall penalty and horrible refereeing decision.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
The agenda is that it’s one rule for everyone else and another for us. As blatant a penalty and red as you’ll ever see. The defender was looking at McTominay all the way until he clattered through him. Didn’t even glance at the ball. The ref was literally staring at the whole incident.
Now flip this to the vilification of Ashley Young, his 3 match ban and the media were out in force to get him banned.
MOTD basically laughed at this incident and moved on.
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I think the Huddersfield player was guilty of being stupid, whereas Young has flung a deliberate elbow.
 
Same twat responsible for that Watford ghost goal years ago.

Should have been forced to retire after a mistake that bad.
 
Arbitrium said:
I’m not questioning interpretation of the rules. I’m confused with some of the comments carrying the undertone of “they aren’t talking about it enough because it’s united, Liverpool or city player and they’d be all over it”. If the game had finished 0-0, this would have been a huge talking point. There was already enough narrative in this game for the media, pogba being dropped, Sanchez home debut etc, so I can see why it didn’t get focussed on as much as some people seem to think it should have.

There was enough going on in this game to talk about so no real point in spending any length of time discussing a wrong penalty call that didn’t affect the outcome or (at least for the moment, who knows with concussion) affect a players health. Every single person agrees stonewall penalty and horrible refereeing decision.
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But they aren't talking about it. It was a terribly dangerous tackle that could've seriously injured one of our youngsters. So, why aren't they talking about it? It isn't fake news? He isn't republican. He is a very young player who needs protection because when refs do nothing with tackles like that they come again on someone else. You either lay down the law and give a pen and a red card or you silently sanction the next horror tackle. So, yea, they should damn well be talking about it.
 
WyoManU said:
But they aren't talking about it. It was a terribly dangerous tackle that could've seriously injured one of our youngsters. So, why aren't they talking about it? It isn't fake news? He isn't republican. He is a very young player who needs protection because when refs do nothing with tackles like that they come again on someone else. You either lay down the law and give a pen and a red card or you silently sanction the next horror tackle. So, yea, they should damn well be talking about it.
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They did talk about it. They said it was a pen and a horrible challenge. Commentators I listened to mentioned concussion protocol. He got up and got on with it. Case closed.
 
Arbitrium said:
They did talk about it. They said it was a pen and a horrible challenge. Commentators I listened to mentioned concussion protocol. He got up and got on with it. Case closed.
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SO what are you talking about then? Now the media can talk about it but we can't? I'm lost. I didn't hear anyone talk about it, but they may just have been my crap US coverage. Still, either way, this has nothing to do with the outcome. It was blatant and a pitiful cheap shot on a young player. I don't want to "move on" because we won. The FA need some balls and take care of knobs like that ref who are just as dangerous to players as that twat who plastered him on the blindside.
 
WyoManU said:
SO what are you talking about then? Now the media can talk about it but we can't? I'm lost. I didn't hear anyone talk about it, but they may just have been my crap US coverage. Still, either way, this has nothing to do with the outcome. It was blatant and a pitiful cheap shot on a young player. I don't want to "move on" because we won. The FA need some balls and take care of knobs like that ref who are just as dangerous to players as that twat who plastered him on the blindside.
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And hopefully, they take the correct action by demoting the referee.

My point is people seem to be having a pop at pundits for not talking about it more and making a bigger deal of it, when it’s clear they would have had there not been other talking points and if the decision had affected the outcome.

Also, if you watch the challenge, I don’t think his intention was to hurt Mctominay, rather just to get in the way. He actually went up for the challenge like someone who was afraid of winning the header, and very clumsily clatters into him.
 
Arbitrium said:
And hopefully, they take the correct action by demoting the referee.

My point is people seem to be having a pop at pundits for not talking about it more and making a bigger deal of it, when it’s clear they would have had there not been other talking points and if the decision had affected the outcome.

Also, if you watch the challenge, I don’t think his intention was to hurt Mctominay, rather just to get in the way. He actually went up for the challenge like someone who was afraid of winning the header, and very clumsily clatters into him.
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I'm going to try and stay calm, while more than a little drunk, but if you think he was just trying to get in the way of McTominay, well, we have nothing more to talk about because I think he knew exactly what he was doing and should've been shown the red for it.
 
I got the impression that Huddlefield was targeting Sanchez and McTominay, bit of elbow here and too much momentum over there, while they were pussy cats against Liverpool. I was surprised to see McTom got up and playing again, great attitude.
 
That's a muay thai flying elbow not a aerial challenge. Should be a 4 match ban for violent conduct.
 
WyoManU said:
I'm going to try and stay calm, while more than a little drunk, but if you think he was just trying to get in the way of McTominay, well, we have nothing more to talk about because I think he knew exactly what he was doing and should've been shown the red for it.
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You are completely missing the other poster's point. He's saying the notion that it's not a larger talking point b/c it happened to United player is ridiculous.
 
WyoManU said:
I'm going to try and stay calm, while more than a little drunk, but if you think he was just trying to get in the way of McTominay, well, we have nothing more to talk about because I think he knew exactly what he was doing and should've been shown the red for it.
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Agreed. Egregious non-call and frankly it's violent conduct that warranted a red. At minimum it is a yellow and penalty. The fact that it was a drop ball should relegate this referee flower leagues.
 
It reminded me of Andy Carroll's assault on de Gea.
 
Almost seemed as if the ref was afraid to make big call or even issue a card. Looked like he was out of his league.
 
Glad the lad is alright. That was a terrible challenge.
 
Summit said:
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Bad position indeed. Maybe he should go a bit closer so Kongolo gave him some also?

Shocking decision, it was an obvious penalty, even before they showed any replays.
 
You could get sent off for that in rugby. Terrible non-decision. I was pleasantly surprised that McT was even able to play on.
 
To be fair the commentators on the Star Sports feed were in disbelief and kept referring to that incident even when we went 2-0 up. They were completely baffled by the penalty not being given and it being treated as an inintentional coming together.

There is no way you can do something like that in any part of the field, let alone inside the box. How was that not even a foul?
 
Who was the ref anyway? Don’t think I’ve seen him before. Pure shit.
 
If you did that on a Friday night on someone and got caught, you would be up at Manchester crown court on a charge!!
 
Let's not forget (not read all the thread) but that was the second of two heavy challenges on him. The first one, which for me was a yellow card (and the player should have been off as he got a yellow afterwards), the first lad got subbed in the first half. The first challenge was quite strong also. But here's the thing. It's not just the ref that didn't give it. The linesman didn't give it also. It's a joke. The ref however was so close to it that even in doubt whether the player got the ball - ask the linesman. Some say what does it matter but if officials allow this to happen, someone WILL get hurt. It's important these idiots learn how to make the right decisions and not play to the crowd or whatever it is they do.
 
Shocking decision. No attempt to play the ball at all. The cnut didn't jump high. He jumped laterally, straight into McTominay. Both the referee and the Huddersfield player were outright cnuts on that play.
 
I'm just glad he finished the match and seemed okay. The fall he had looked nasty with him hitting his head on the ground.
 
TMDaines said:
Lawmakers desperately need to provide greater guidance and directives to eliminate unnecessary and intentional fouls in the game. Teams are smarter than ever at using fouls to disrupt the game and officials have not smartened up accordingly. Never knew what Arsenal fans meant about Sanchez being fouled all game, but today we saw him kicked all match - and why not? The risk/reward is not balanced. What is the defender going to lose? 19 fouls, a significant number of attacks disrupted and the defence reorganised for 4 yellows.
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Tbh, the problem in this regard is consistency. Refs DO take action against this sort of thing when the profile of the player is high enough. We lost Herrera at Stamford Bridge inside 30 mins last season for this very reason. None of his bookings were bad tackles, just systematic fouling of Hazard, that Again, was probably just magnified because it was Hazard and every one in the ground was making a huge fuss any time he was touched. Herrera committed only two fouls, both within a few minutes, and was sent off.
 
I thought throughout the game that the ref game them a great deal of leniency. They got away with far more than our guys. The kongolo challenge was just bizarre.
 
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