Center Back Options

i hope van gaal can lure hummels here. hummels might think that he needs a new challenge after spending all these years in germany. injury record aside, he is perfect for us.

and yeah we need to get at least a CB this summer. smalling, evans and jones are all vulnerable to injuries so 4 CB plus michael keane perhaps, if he is not out on loan then we are good to go imo.
 
To conclude, I'd like us to get Garay and promote Michael Keane. However, I would prefer that we give Smalling and Jones as much match time as possible in the coming season and fulfill their potential.

We knew Vida was leaving and Rio became slow but kept playing them... this appraoch certainly denied the likes of Jones/Smalling and Evans precious game time.

So does that mean the Jones/Smalling/Evans are not good enough?
 
I'd like us to buy 2 mobile central midfielders and then drop Carrick back to be an option in defence.
 
How about Steven Caulker...

This will probably get laughed at but Cahill was a similar level of player when he joined Chelsea and now is one of the best defenders in the league.

He is proven, gets the odd goal, realistic, cheap and is not made of glass like our other 3 options.

I am being serious..
I was just about to post something similar: are there any Cahill types out there? Players possibly lacking in glamour, but with the proven PL pedigree to get the job done?
 
I was just about to post something similar: are there any Cahill types out there? Players possibly lacking in glamour, but with the proven PL pedigree to get the job done?

Shawcross ? maybe.
 
We won't get Hummels. For me the most realistic option is Garay, he's shown how solid of a defender he can be once again this year. We won't ever find any Rio/Vidic quality defenders again (for a long time imo) but Garay would be an upgrade on anything we have got

That's dangerous thinking. We won't find the exact copies of Vidic and Rio, probably, but we have to find players potentially of their level.

Similarly, I know we won't get another Scholes or a Keane but we need someone who can play cm similar to their in their prime.

As for centrebacks, I am hoping Smalling, Jones and Evans go through the season without long injuries. Having any two out of the three of them available at any point in the next season would be a big help.
 
We knew Vida was leaving and Rio became slow but kept playing them... this appraoch certainly denied the likes of Jones/Smalling and Evans precious game time.

So does that mean the Jones/Smalling/Evans are not good enough?

Most of the time when Vidic and Ferdinand played together, Rafael and/or Fabio was injured, and one/more of Jones, Smalling, or Evans have been injured. Rarely has there ever been a moment when all of our central defenders have been fit. More often than not, when most of our defenders have been available, it's been one of the experienced duo with one of the younger trio (for example, Vidic and Evans, Ferdinand and Smalling, Vidic and Jones, etc.). Sir Alex certainly thought those three were good enough; he wanted a more experienced defender alongside them to make up for the young defenders' lack of experience.

However, now, I want Man. Utd. to play Smalling, Jones, and Evans as much as possible. However, given the fact that those three always get injured, I want someone dependable to come in to fill in for those three, someone like O'Shea and Brown, who were quality defenders but didn't mind being on the bench. Since there's no such thing as that defender, I feel like the closest thing to that is Garay. If there's someone who's dependable but won't mind being on the bench, I'd go for them before the aforementioned names here.
 
Mangala just said in Bein France that he'd rather go to London because it's more attractive than Manchester (was given the choice between City and Chelsea - United not mentioned by the journalist).
 
knowing van gaal, if we are to sign a central defender he ll go for someone comfortable with the ball at hus feet....that rules out the shawcross and caulkers.
also i can see carrick moved to cb...
 
That's dangerous thinking. We won't find the exact copies of Vidic and Rio, probably, but we have to find players potentially of their level.

Similarly, I know we won't get another Scholes or a Keane but we need someone who can play cm similar to their in their prime.

As for centrebacks, I am hoping Smalling, Jones and Evans go through the season without long injuries. Having any two out of the three of them available at any point in the next season would be a big help.

We won't even find players of potentially their level imo. Defending and defenders as a whole seems to have completely changed in modern football. The simple fact that Kompany right now is in the top 3 defenders in the world speaks volumes about the situation.
 
knowing van gaal, if we are to sign a central defender he ll go for someone comfortable with the ball at hus feet....that rules out the shawcross and caulkers.
also i can see carrick moved to cb...

Caulker is good on the ball.
 
Caulker just isn't good enough. We need a top quality youngster as cover or an experienced leader to slot right in.

Any chance of Benatia and I'd bite Roma's hand off.
 
If we have to pay a big fee and don't find that bargain like Vidic, then I hope we go for Laporte. Seems to be the best option in my eyes.
 
Our best option? :confused:

Another young CB and he'll cost at least 35m

Who else is available and presents good value for that kind of fee? Arruda's judgement of Mangala for example has me convinced that he shouldn't be the one. Benatia seems City bound. Hummels won't leave Dortmund. Musacchio, Veltman, Mustafi could be candidates for less money, but I'm not as convinced as with Laporte that they would be a success here. Feel free to name your best options for central defence.
 
Of course i want Hummels or even Chiellini....but probably unrealistic.

IMO our defence would be to young with Laporte.

It's very difficult to find the right CB for us.

Our best option Vertonghen.
 
Vermaelen anyone- if i m not wrong his contract expires in 2015
 
I hoping for Hummels and Garay. LVG is familiar to Hummels and we have scouted Garay for more than a year.
 
I was just about to post something similar: are there any Cahill types out there? Players possibly lacking in glamour, but with the proven PL pedigree to get the job done?

Curtis Davies was Hull player of the year and might be cheap. 28 years old, so maybe he'd be good for 2-3 seasons here. Not who I'd go for, but he has been impressive this season. No other CB's jump out at me as having been fantastic this year.

A crazy answer is that while Jedinak is a 29 year old DM I think he has everything you need to be a top CB. If I were a team like Southampton I'd buy him and Guardiola him back to CB.
 
Vermaelen anyone- if i m not wrong his contract expires in 2015

Has talent and Eredivisie experience, so if he chooses to run down his deal rather than sign a new deal this summer I could see it.
 
I'd like us to buy 2 mobile central midfielders and then drop Carrick back to be an option in defence.

knowing van gaal, if we are to sign a central defender he ll go for someone comfortable with the ball at hus feet....that rules out the shawcross and caulkers.
also i can see carrick moved to cb...

Am I missing something here? Why would we use Carrick as an option in defence. I know Van Gaal likes players who can pass to play in defence, but he also likes players who can defend in defence.
Carrick is far from being an adequate defender in my opinion, especially as our defence is quite weak/average as it is.

What we need is, somebody with experience and a good footballing brain. A figure that will play most of the games, and the players play next to him.
 
Out of all the CB talent, I'm sure there's someone who can make the next step. Maybe someone like De Vrij, Veltman, Kongolo or Martins Indi.
 
We knew Vida was leaving and Rio became slow but kept playing them... this appraoch certainly denied the likes of Jones/Smalling and Evans precious game time.

So does that mean the Jones/Smalling/Evans are not good enough?

Well, part of that was down to Moyes' apparent unwillingness to change things too dramatically, too fast in terms of set-up and preferred starters - in contrast to his apparent willingness to change other parts of the operation to a much larger extent.

But let's not dwell on Moyesie. The question you ask is unpleasant. I don't have an answer to it. The only thing I can say is that I'm not convinced those three are sufficient ingredients for what should be a truly top-of-the-line CB partnership.

The way I'm thinking right now - but this changes every time I consider the question - we should bring in a top class CB, make him the boss back there and team him up with Evans. Then use Smalling and Jones for backup. And Keane - for that matter. Given the injury records of these boys it couldn't hurt to have a fifth alternative in the mix - even given the absence of European football next season.
 
Unsure about the veracity of this article, seems a bit amateurish. But apparently Pellegrini is looking to unload Matija Nastasic to fund a summer spending spree :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...pite-heavy-Financial-Fair-Play-sanctions.html

We should definitely pursue all opportunities even if there's a 0.1 % chance of signing him. Right up there with Varane and Marquinhos in terms of top shelf potential, well experienced at just 21 years old and already accustomed to the league. Quite possibly be the perfect replacement for Vidic.

If true then he'd be a great signing. However, poses the same problem as Jones and Smalling, not realised his potential yet. We preferably need someone who has reached their potential and can play at a high level. I can only hope the Hummels rumours are true.
 
If true then he'd be a great signing. However, poses the same problem as Jones and Smalling, not realised his potential yet. We preferably need someone who has reached their potential and can play at a high level. I can only hope the Hummels rumours are true.

Even if Citeh have to sell players they certainly won't sell to us. I suspect Chelsea only sold us Mata as they correctly realised we weren't their direct competition any more.
 
I'd go for Vertonghen from those available CBs that are realistic. First of all he's a versatile. His best position is CB, but he can play LB, and even DM (he started his carreer in that position). He is not just a defender but he's also good in the build up. He scores a lot for a defender and is a threat at set pieces (In his last season at Ajax he scored 10 goals). He's an Ajax product basically, and LVG likes these kind of defenders so I can see him fitting in well in the system LVG will probably want to play. He wouldn't be cheap probably, but he wouldn't cost a fortune either I reckon.

I'd be very happy with Shaw and Vertonghen as our summer business for the defence.
 
My guess - and it's worth zero - is that Van Gaal will have a pretty good idea already regarding what sort of defense he wants to field at United.

Either he's comfortable with the options we already have - including a kid or two, Keane not least.

Or he has either sanctioned a name on Woody's list - or added a name of his own to that list.

I hope the latter is the case. I think we need a new CB, a starting man.
 
Caulker is good on the ball.

He was known to be a ball playing defender and tbh did look a good thing at Tottenham and Swansea but the responsibility of captaining Cardiff ruined whatever little reputation he had.. I do believe in an alright team he can look good again..
 
Even though we may have a "war chest" to spend, I still don't really see the need to spend a significant portion of it on a top class CB like Hummels for example. I'm of the opinion that Jones/Smalling/Evans are good enough to be starters here and if we brought in someone like Hummels who in fairness is better but also quite young himself, when do Jones and Smalling become ready to be our starting center halves? And it would be quite naive to think that they'd stick around much longer continuing to be squad players like they have been.

I understand everybodys fears because all of them have a history of being injured and sometimes having 5 centerbacks on the books wasn't enough. However, I question whether that has more to do with constantly being rotated more than anything else. Centerback has been a constant source of injury and I think it's no coincidence it's also been the area where we rotated the most. Players who played regularly like Evra, Carrick and Valencia seldomly get injured, whilst players like Nani, Anderson, Young, Jones, Smalling who are in and out of the team, seem to be the ones who are usually injured. Just a theory and by no means a proven fact, but if this is true it would sure save us a hell of alot money.

Then there's also the pleasant news that we might actually have a competent midfield for a change. Don't discount how important a great midfield helps out defense tremendously. We can look at the likes of Bayern or Barcelona and what peoples perceptions of midfield for us is, is the same as what defense was for them. People constantly say they need a better CB and some defensive displays have been comical, but overall they keep alot of clean sheets and win games.
 
Both, I believe. Depends on whether you prefer American or British spellin'. The former is American, the latter British.

We need a central defender at any rate. Someone who can come right in and take charge of the cent...re.

If i was American would I not spell it centeral? :confused::confused:
 
I'd like us to buy 2 mobile central midfielders and then drop Carrick back to be an option in defence.

He'd obviously become our best ball playing center back but i don't think that's enough justification for doing so. Whenever i see him play there he tends to be bullied out of the game.