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MkPaul

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So... two long serving, world class CB's, are departing Manchester United this summer and I think most will agree it would be madness to rely on Jones/Smalling/Evans. When you consider their injury record and the fact they are still a distance away from reaching their potential - a level that would be required to be United's first choice CB's - it would be a big risk to not strengthen this area.

That being said (I won't make a poll guys dw!):
  • What CB options do we have in the summer?
  • Can we afford some of these players considering we are looking to strengthen in several other areas?
  • How many players who are good enough for United would be available/willing?
  • How many of these players will be snatched up by Barca/City/Chelsea/Bayern/etc?
This summer, a lot of top clubs will be looking at strengthening their defence and CB's will certainly be the target area. Puyol leaving Barca plus a potential transfer ban after this window - City, when Kompany is injured, look incredibly vulnerable - Bayerns defence has been poor and Pep has already started targeting CB's (Luiz) - Chelsea will not get much more out of JT and at the risk of Zouma not progressing fast enough, they may look to strengthen.

Obviously those clubs are just to name a few, but all of them will be targeting the best. How much of a premium will CB's be this summer (before or after the WC) as there will be such a demand for these players?
 
There are so few really good defenders knocking about. I wouldn't be surprised to see us pick a dud this time around.
 
Center or centre, which is the correct one?

Both, I believe. Depends on whether you prefer American or British spellin'. The former is American, the latter British.

We need a central defender at any rate. Someone who can come right in and take charge of the cent...re.
 
Depends on which language you're speaking. British or american english.

Best case scenario would be Benatia, the way I see it. He's not even playing in Brazil, so we should have plenty of time to seal it. The rumors about him seem to have gone with Moyes though.

If we plan to stick with Evans, Smalling and Jones as our starting CBs, signing a young talent like Laporte, Tah, Schar or Ginter would be nice. They're all currently getting playing time at their clubs though, so I doubt it.
 
Garay. He had a great season once again and he has one year left on his contract so he wouldnt cost a fortune.
 
So my topic goes 40 minutes without a single reply, putting me into a pit of depression thinking people don't care about my questions. I then get excited to see 10 people have replied since then and see you are discussing spelling. FFS guys :(

I knew I should have added a poll! :devil:
 
So my topic goes 40 minutes without a single reply, putting me into a pit of depression thinking people don't care about my questions. I then get excited to see 10 people have replied since then and see you are discussing spelling. FFS guys :(

I knew I should have added a poll! :devil:
You can never go wrong with a poll. Polls are great.
 
Hummels or Chiellini would be amazing but not realistic

Mangala or Garay are realistic

But i hope Van Gaal has plans for M.Keane

Is Mangala really realistic? I thought City pretty much had that wrapped up last I heard.
 
Garay would be good. He's a good age aswell, had experience at a top club (it didn't go great but he'll be better for that experience). He's left footed which gives us a natural balance to our central defence. He wouldn't cost a ridiculous amount either, which lets us spend on other problem areas.

Mangala is going to be sensational but we need an in-their-prime defender imo, not someone with great promise. Our young defense has been much discussed so an experienced head in there would be perfect.

Someone like Hummels would be ideal but would cost too much I think. I realise Hummels and Smalling are similar ages but Hummels has vastly more experience.
 
We won't get Hummels. For me the most realistic option is Garay, he's shown how solid of a defender he can be once again this year. We won't ever find any Rio/Vidic quality defenders again (for a long time imo) but Garay would be an upgrade on anything we have got
 
How about Steven Caulker...

This will probably get laughed at but Cahill was a similar level of player when he joined Chelsea and now is one of the best defenders in the league.

He is proven, gets the odd goal, realistic, cheap and is not made of glass like our other 3 options.

I am being serious..
 
So my topic goes 40 minutes without a single reply, putting me into a pit of depression thinking people don't care about my questions. I then get excited to see 10 people have replied since then and see you are discussing spelling. FFS guys :(

I knew I should have added a poll! :devil:

I created a thread for one of our youngsters a few months ago, it hasn't had a single reply. I've been on anti depressants ever since.
 
Both, I believe. Depends on whether you prefer American or British spellin'. The former is American, the latter British.

We need a central defender at any rate. Someone who can come right in and take charge of the cent...re.

English!
 
How about Steven Caulker...

This will probably get laughed at but Cahill was a similar level of player when he joined Chelsea and now is one of the best defenders in the league.

He is proven, gets the odd goal, realistic, cheap and is not made of glass like our other 3 options.

I am being serious..

And he's shite at defending.
 
Ideally we get one who's going to get a couple of goals a season from headers, Smalling is our best option for that at the minute.

Evans is. His aerial ability maybe is not the same as Smalling's, but his positioning is way better.
 
Hmmm, interesting...

Yeah, it is. But I'm frankly more interested in who the feck Van Gaal intends to bring in for the English/American centre/center back position. Because I do think he needs to bring someone in.
 
In my opinion, we have the money to get good central defenders. Ferdinand and Vidic are leaving, and that frees up the wages to get us a good player. Plus, we only have 3 first-team defenders, so along with Michael Keane coming up, we really need a defender who will always be available to play.

An experienced head will be best for us as we've lost tons of experience in Ferdinand and Vidic. That said, I'd still want our central defenders to step and take the mantle rather than have the new signing do this. For this reason, I'd prefer a defender like what we had in Brown and O'Shea so that the likes of Smalling, Jones, and Evans can get as much match time as possible in defence. However, that's unlikely, so the next best option is getting Vertonghen or Garay. Benatia's another great option, too, but if Man. City's after him, he won't resist their exorbitant wages and challenge to overcome the bigger club in Man. Utd.

Garay is the most likely option as the increase in wages for him will be manageable for us (Ferdinand and Vidic leaving have freed up lots of wages). Plus, he's played with and learned from Luisao (extremely underrated defender) and has played through two European finals, already, as well as being involved in several title challenges with Benfica. He won't be the leader and organiser like Ferdinand and Vidic were, but he'll be the calm presence in central defence that someone like Jones will hugely benefit from. He'll also like the prospect of playing in England and trying to win the Premier League plus having the chance to play in the Champions League, in the future, and having the chance to win it, too.

Vertonghen is also a proven defender who's excellent on the ball. He's a bit more aggressive defender than Garay is and is more prone to getting caught out, though. However, he has the pace to recover from these situations, and his great man-marking and technique will, hopefully, make up for him not being as good at reading the game ahead of him. Other than this, he'll be harder to obtain since Levy will want to get as much money for Vertonghen as possible, and his wage demands may be higher than what Garay may want, too.

About other teams, I don't know if they will want the same players. Barcelona and Bayern Munich prefer ball-playing defenders, so Vertonghen will be likely and Garay won't be, for them. Man. City are going after Mangala and Benatia, according to the papers. With Chelsea, who knows what Mourinho will do. He could eke out as much as possible from Terry and thus not go after another defender. Either that, or he could go after young talents more established than Zouma and Omeruo.

To conclude, I'd like us to get Garay and promote Michael Keane. However, I would prefer that we give Smalling and Jones as much match time as possible in the coming season and fulfill their potential.
 
Haven't seen much of Rudiger or Mustafi, but they made the German long list, as did Goretzka and Ginter (who both play DM too). None of them are at CL sides yet, so should be gettable.

If Van Gaal still has Bundesliga connections, I could see him going for one of these players.

Weird that N'Koulou hasn't gone to a bigger club. Any Ligue 1 watchers know if he had another strong season?
 
How about Steven Caulker...

This will probably get laughed at but Cahill was a similar level of player when he joined Chelsea and now is one of the best defenders in the league.

He is proven, gets the odd goal, realistic, cheap and is not made of glass like our other 3 options.

I am being serious..
He's strangely hyped but hasn't really stood out in a team that just got relegated. Not top four quality but a decent player.

Benatia is the dream for me. He is coming on 27 but is amongst the best defenders in world football and is a very well rounded player - great in the air, good on the ball, strong, quick and perhaps most importantly a natural leader. Would probably cost upwards of 25m but has previously stated his desire to move here and plays for a club prone to selling their top players.
 
It all depends on how good the new coach believes Michael Keane is going to be. We are not going to be in Europe so we don't need a large squad. You could go in with Evans as first choice CB and Smalling and Jones alternating the other CB position.The problem with this is that Jones seems to be made of glass and Smalling has not been without injuries either. This would result in Michael Keane playing a lot more games as cover. If he looks like he could be top drawer then giving him games wouldn't be the end of the world. However the logical choice would be to buy in a CB as Smalling & Jones will also act as cover at RB and will both spend some time on the physio's table next season
 
We definitely need one. If Garay is a cheaper option due to being on his final year of contract, it seems sensible as we need 5 players at least, and none of them should be cheaper than £30m.
 
Hummels would be my clear choice by a mile, but unfortunately, the most difficult to get.
Mangala would also be a nice option, although seemed City bound, this FFP thing may have an effect on that deal going through?

After that, I think the choices are Garay and Benatia. I haven't seen very much of Benatia at all to be honest, so I am quite reserved, but he has definitely got a lot of attention this season for his performances.
Garay would be cheaper, and seems solid from what I have seen. Would fit our budget with our potential expensive summer also
 
The two top drawer cbs that come to mind are Benatia and Hummels. If either is actually attainable we should go for them.

Then on the next tier you've got Mangala (ridiculously overpriced), Garay (good value), Astori and Ranocchia (both of whom we've scouted this season). Then there's Laporte and Lovren..
 
Unsure about the veracity of this article, seems a bit amateurish. But apparently Pellegrini is looking to unload Matija Nastasic to fund a summer spending spree :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...pite-heavy-Financial-Fair-Play-sanctions.html

We should definitely pursue all opportunities even if there's a 0.1 % chance of signing him. Right up there with Varane and Marquinhos in terms of top shelf potential, well experienced at just 21 years old and already accustomed to the league. Quite possibly be the perfect replacement for Vidic.
 
We definitely need one. If Garay is a cheaper option due to being on his final year of contract, it seems sensible as we need 5 players at least, and none of them should be cheaper than £30m.

I just don't think that's even remotely realistic. I can't see net spend being more than £70-80m.

According to transfermarkt.de Garay's buyout clause is only 20m euro. Given his size, age and experience I think that's a pretty good deal
 
Unsure about the veracity of this article, seems a bit amateurish. But apparently Pellegrini is looking to unload Matija Nastasic to fund a summer spending spree :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...pite-heavy-Financial-Fair-Play-sanctions.html

We should definitely pursue all opportunities even if there's a 0.1 % chance of signing him. Right up there with Varane and Marquinhos in terms of top shelf potential, well experienced at just 21 years old and already accustomed to the league. Quite possibly be the perfect replacement for Vidic.

Surely Pellegrini isn't THAT foolish, is he?
But then, Mou did sell us Mata. So, there's chance.