Pretty much expected. It is United and FA has a special place in their hearts for us.
I will not be surprised if he gets a ban, longer than 1 game
I will not be surprised if he gets a ban, longer than 1 game
Cavani gets 3 match ban from FA for his social media post
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The article linked in the tweet largely confirms what Spanish speaking posters here have said.
He fecking did not, the guy is white, when will people stop parroting this nonsense?
Not the part quoted and there lies the issue, also read the subsequent tweets where he makes some other good points .
But he wasn’t referring to anyone’s skin colour. He was talking in his own language to a white friend and called him a word that can mean pal in their language.
unless what I’ve read on here is wrong and negrito doesn’t mean pal or mate in Uruguay
Im sorry but hahahahaaha. Beyond ridiculous.
I agree with this, completely. Something about that is uncomfortable. But given that those are the rules, they have to be enforced. I see your point and agree with it, though.
Negrito is a hypocorism. It means 'little negro'. Which in this sense could mean one of two things:
1- 'Little black one'. More common among Hispanics than you would think and generally isn't as offensive in Spanish as it would seem in English. For example, my friends regularly use blaquito. But it's more of a pet name and even though it does refer to skin tone (which seems to be the problem as far as the FA are concerned), it's relatively innocuous in the Spanish language. Still, rules are rules and I think that's why there has been a suspension issued.
2- 'Dude' or 'pal'. But a hypocoristical form. In this sense, it doesn't actually refer to the skin tone. It's just a word that has come to be used to mean those things.
I agree with your second point. I don't think anybody should dictate to other people what they should and shouldn't use in their language. But I wouldn't be as cynical. I'd like to believe that the FA just want to preclude this type of incident from happening again, and that this isn't an arrogant, didactic ruling designed to 'educate' Spaniards.
Nah you are right.
The problem is that the tweet doesn't tell you much. The term has a meaning that is not offensive which doesn't mean that a part of the population may feel differently, it's the same situation than "nigga", among african americans some will accept it others won't. It's a colloquialism, you can't take it out of context and give it a meaning that it didn't had, particularly when you are trying to formally judge someone's behavior when he is interacting with a friend.
Now in Uruguay/Argentina they can also have a conversation about whether they want to alter their vocabulary but it's not the job of the FA and to go further, would they sanction Cavani if he had said that in a documentary in Uruguay to a friend?
Not disagreeing with that but the notion that the term cannot be interpreted as offensive and has no racial connotations (that everyone is so confidently propagating) simply isn't true. Strictly going by the FA's rule book he broke it.
Feckin ridiculous. I suppose the FA is now taking the place of the Royal Spanish Academy of Language and being the arbiter of what language to use? Because they certainly did not take context, intent or purpose into account. Spanish speaking players better remove black colours from their lives or find a synonym for the word.
If it's offensive to some even if it's a minority why on earth would you be shocked at the FA not being willing to tolerate it? They should only ask the majority?
They're not formally judging Cavani's character or the Uruguayan culture they’re simply saying what it's representatives are allowed to say.
It's a matter of context, it's not something that you can say to a stranger but here we are not talking about two strangers. If we were talking about a random interaction then that tweet would be relevant, here we are talking about two people that are close, the fist one complimented him and the second one thanked him and added a term of endearment. If Cavani does the same thing to me, then we can start a conversation because I don't know him.
Good. English is the official language of anti-racism, and Cavani - and other foreign speakers - need to be taught a harsh lesson.
Silence is violence. Spanish must be banished. French needs to be quenched etc.
Silence is violence. Spanish must be banished. French needs to be quenched etc.
Some very angry Uruguayans on this reading their comments
So something that clearly isn't racist gets this treatment and then the things that are racist get a free pass, John Terry I am talking to you.
The FA couldn´t be any further from reality even if they tried.
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By law ignorance and incompetency are not of any use as a legal defense. My problem is the FA has a history of not doing anything against real racism and now they are clamping down on non racist Instagram posts.
The FA couldn´t be any further from reality even if they tried.
FA Brexit
My issue with the whole thing is two major points.
Does the FA provide sensitivity training to all its players that they are required to complete? One that could maybe list out what is and isnt acceptable?
Second and this is much much much bigger point.
Here is list of FA Sponsors
https://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/our-partners
Nike, emeriates, right off the top of my head have literal slaves working in their supply chain to produce so much profit so they can sponsor the FA so they can suspend Cavani because he said a bad word. How everyone is seemingly ok with this fact still makes me sick to my stomach.
Does the FA provide sensitivity training to all its players that they are required to complete? One that could maybe list out what is and isnt acceptable?
Second and this is much much much bigger point.
Here is list of FA Sponsors
https://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/our-partners
Nike, emeriates, right off the top of my head have literal slaves working in their supply chain to produce so much profit so they can sponsor the FA so they can suspend Cavani because he said a bad word. How everyone is seemingly ok with this fact still makes me sick to my stomach.
Does this mean it’s concluded he meant it in a racially derogatory manner? Nothing more progressive than a bunch of people deciding what is and isn’t racist in a language they don’t speak.
Are they pissing about and dragging it out so he misses, leeds, Everton and Leicester ? His ban could have been just about up by now. While he has been injured.
The context here is he broadcasted the term to millions of people, he has a duty to post responsibly, and as I explained the term can be deemed offensive in certain parts of the world even by black Uruguayans and more importantly the country he is working in.
The mistake or mis-judgement was to have published this on social media. Otherwise it was a short message between friends neither of whom it appears meant any disrespect to each other or anybody else. The FA (it seems) under its own rules has to be 'offended' in public for anyone out there who is genuinely offended when reading this.
Cavani is a big name, playing for a big club so he/they have to made 'whipping boys' so that the FA can be seen to have kept a 'clean sheet'.
It is isn't finished yet, not by a long way, as I write this millions are searching through the social media looking for something to be offended by, especially if the person/organisation held to be responsible is well known. Wait while someone wins a court case involving a lot of compensation money for being offended, the lawyers will be queuing up to launch 'mass funding' claims.
Cavani is a big name, playing for a big club so he/they have to made 'whipping boys' so that the FA can be seen to have kept a 'clean sheet'.
It is isn't finished yet, not by a long way, as I write this millions are searching through the social media looking for something to be offended by, especially if the person/organisation held to be responsible is well known. Wait while someone wins a court case involving a lot of compensation money for being offended, the lawyers will be queuing up to launch 'mass funding' claims.
They are absolutely judging Cavani's character by claiming that he put the game in disrepute, that's literally what they did. And they should look at the context because the language of the rule is "insulting, abusive or improper" which are all context based notions. I'm not telling you that you can use that term in all circumstances, I'm telling you that he used it in a context that was neither of these things, i will also add that in that context it doesn't refer to a skin color or ethnicity, so the aggravated qualification is also iffy.
But he isn't talking to black uruguayans, he is talking to a friend. The problem is that you are purposely changing the context, if he was talking to random people or addressing himself to uruguayans as a whole, than he would be totally wrong but he was responding to a friend. In my opinion at the most the FA should have a word with Cavani and tell him that he should avoid it on a public platform even when he is talking to a friend.
So you finally agree to the critical point that he shouldn't have used the term in a public forum. I agree the likely punishment is excessive but these are the times we are living in and the whole zero tolerance approach which all clubs signed up to.
Well I didn't argue otherwise and you didn't ask me about it, so why would there be a "finally"? I questioned the decision of the FA and what it meant in that context.
Aye, from what I've read that's right.
The problem (as far as I can tell) is that even though it's a word that is used in that context, it's still derived from a base meaning that references skin colour. And that's enough for it to be a problem as far as the FA are concerned, who don't want players addressing others in terms that reference skin colour in any context. Because as far as they're concerned the key isn't who it was addressed to, it's that it was done so on a public forum that falls under their guidelines.
Though a Uruguayan poster in the other thread said it's a word you'd use with friends rather than people you don't really know, so I'm not sure "pal" or "buddy" are the exact equivalent either.
Plus what the white guys in Uruguay think is acceptable isn't necessarily what everyone in Uruguay thinks is acceptable, even if they're the overwhelming majority. Or maybe it is. Fecked if I know, really. Discerning the nuances of a different language and culture are beyond my little brain.
Ultimately the FA set the rules though so it's what they think is acceptable that counts. Players just have to accept that and adjust the language they use online. Sucks for Cavani (who obviously had no ill intent) but hopefully players will be more aware (and be made more aware by their clubs) of the rules from now on.
Most African Americans see that word as offensive when not used by other AAs. Negritio and negro are not even in the same realm of offensiveness. I've seen non-black people beaten to a pulp for using "nigga" casually around black people.
While he's obviously not being racist, the context and what happens in his country is irrelevant. Referring to race like that has been outlawed by the FA, which is rulemaking body his employer is governed by. The best course of action is to accept punishment and learn from it. There is really very little to debate here.
Naw, that's not a point. That's whataboutism and it has very little to do with the issue at hand.
I dont agree.
A little serf girl would have absolutely no say however the Sheriff of Nottingham treated her.
Oliver twist
I honestly have no idea what moment in history you could possibly be referring to where the masses had more power than they do now.
Celebrities getting called out for Bullying. When would that have happened in the past?
Expected.
But as someone mentioned, smells cultural racism from TheFA. How they can't see the context in this is beyond me. Difference between this and Suarez incident is huge. But we know how TheFA work. Just ask Cantona, Keane and Rio. Next time someone says a colour in tv, people should be writing complains.
But as someone mentioned, smells cultural racism from TheFA. How they can't see the context in this is beyond me. Difference between this and Suarez incident is huge. But we know how TheFA work. Just ask Cantona, Keane and Rio. Next time someone says a colour in tv, people should be writing complains.
I thought after hearing they were bringing south american linguistics experts to analyse it, that sense and logic would prevail, but it seems the FA were intend on taking some form of action nonetheless.
Hopefully just a fine of some sort and the club pay itBut a ban in the new year more than likely. he'll prob miss the game at Anfield on Jan17th
Yeah typical that Bale missed Anfield for Spurs and Cavani almost certain to miss it for us. We always have a big first team player missing this bloody fixture in last few seasons.
Just because a foreign word sounds like an English word doesn't mean anything
So are the FA going to go through ever foreign language and ban anything that sounds like a rude word?
Christian Fuch's better not play anymore as his name sounds like f*ck!
FPL made me change my team name because it was "ForFuchsake" said it was inappropriate or some crap.
They waited until he was fit again to charge him.
yes lets not worry about the humans in slave camps, when Cavani possibly hurt some people feelingsThe two are connected mate, if football as a whole had any spine they would go after the real racism of exploiting slaves to produce their profits but as of now clubs and players are ones profiting since nike / qatar / UAE can send over a nice pay packet so they dont address REAL racism and we can continue to go after meaningless perpetrators so they can be seen as doing something.
Say no to racism as long as it doesnt negatively affect our profits.
Agree. Remember how they went to the trouble of hiring a lip reader and a Portugese interpreter to establish that they had been offended by Jose when he was United manager?
Damn. Rubbish. He didn't that much for the incident to reach this stage.
Surely it just has to be put down to an misunderstanding and forgiven? He took the post down immediately once he was told how it might be misconstrued in England. That would be a sensible way to approach it anyway. Otherwise you’re basically telling someone off for speaking in his native language.
I said among african americans, I'm not talking about the term being used outside of it and I'm highlighting the fact that people being against a term doesn't mean that every context is negative. And it's important to keep in mind that it's the insulting, abusive or improper part that creates the infraction the race and skin color part is what creates the aggravated qualification which is why the FA is totally wrong. Mentioning the race or skin color isn't why he is punished, he is punished because it was deemed insulting, abusive or improper and put the game in disrepute.
The way they applied the rule here is very strange because now they have to sanction anyone that uses any term that can regardless of context be interpreted as an insult, abusive or improper. Good luck to the FA.
I used to believe in Father Christmas. (Apologies to the believers).
Precluding (aka stopping) it happening again is a potential by-product of their charge. It's not the reason in itself for the charge (nor should it be).
They could charge him AND remind people of the rules or not charge him AND remind people of the rules.
'Spanish speaking' not 'Spaniards'. Big difference.
Is that word really derived from the base meaning of skin colour or just the actual colour? I don’t know and to be honest I doubt the FA do.
To me it seems that Cavani used a word in his native language with no question of race intended and more a term of indearment to a white friend, that word sounds awfully similar to a banned word here and can, can be used in the same line of thought maybe.
players being made aware of how words in their language may appear in the English language I agree but I don’t think their language needs to be stamped out or I don’t think they should be charged with racism or misconduct or whatever term they want to use for a totally non racist non harmful or intentionally hurtful comment