So we are not signing him, just loaning him for the Liverpool game?! Smart!
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So we are not signing him, just loaning him for the Liverpool game?! Smart!
Let’s hope so. As plan Bs go, he’s a pretty fecking good one. I’d just be a lot more excited if he was 27.
Sure but it's all a work in progress. We can't get to a point where the likes of Tchouameni and Camavinga would be interested in us if we don't do something asap. United isn't a club that can build long term while struggling massively. We can only build long term from a position of strength. Big clubs can't operate like small clubs. You have to stabilize yourself as a club, and show the others why they should join your club. Because as of now, we are a big club who is a graveyard for big talents who join, and a team who makes it impossible for players to leave if they want a step up. So they'd rather join mid table teams knowing they'll be able to move on stress free and develop better.All we do is stop gap signings. They haven’t worked so far. Other teams sign these up and coming DMS because they are on the ball. They make these moves happen early and have a clear recruitment strategy. They want them more, offer them better terms (not just money) We don’t. A club this size. We sleep on it, then act late and act shocked when we don’t get them.
I’m not saying Casemiro isn’t great and if he comes here and sorts out this midfield then I’m all for it.. it just shows we don’t recruit properly, we don’t have a system or a strategy.
for 70million it’s a lot of money and I hope it isn’t the only business we make before the window ends because it’s not enough. You can’t keep throwing money at players and hoping it sticks.
Real Madrid just bought two very good young DMs. Brand new shiny players with 10 years in them. They have Casemiro in their team. It tells you something.
looking at Thiago silva at Chelsea does give me a little hope though, at 37. If he can have that impact on this team and that longetivy, then I guess he will be worth it. Time will tell and he’s a great player as I’ve said previously.. I just Thought maybe, with this new management all around the club, we would move differently. It’s actually been worse.
Right now, United needs a jolt to the system. Casemiro in and Ronaldo out would do just that. A world class DM fixing our biggest issue over the past 5 years. If he plays like he does for Madrid and Brazil and brings the same attitude, then we'll be able to actually start planning instead of panicking and fixing massive issues every summer. Ten Hag needs time. He won't get time if he doesn't have a top DM in. We are changing our whole recruitment setup, so they also need time. Hell, Murtaugh has failed massively but he needs time too.
Nothing works for us, doesn't matter what type of player we sign. I am just saying that there is simply no way players like Casemiro would consider moving to United if we let's say offer him 20% bigger salary. At this moment we are only attractive money wise, we cannot offer pretty much anything else.
Less pass accuracy than McSauce. Do not want.I wonder if he will improve us?
So we skip a transfer like this entirely, OK, and do what instead? Him not settling is indeed a valid point, particularly so if he's locked to a longer contract, but what are the alternatives, and do they come with anything like the upside of Casemiro coming here and taking to everything like a duck to water? Two sides to every what if, afterall.
Eriksen is already here and should have a massive role to play; alternatively, it's two 6's as ten Hag desires, but if FDJ isn't coming, that's not happening (imo), so we will adapt and work with what we then have instead. ten Hag isn't as inflexible as is being made out and he is schooled in the 4-3-3 from childhood; it isn't one way or no way.
FDJ is a very unique player; you aren't going to get like for like with him; he may be ten Hag's first pick, but we need workarounds should that not materialise. Casemiro does not reduce that one bit - if FDJ is coming, you put them together and theoretically have the best 6 base in the world; if FDJ is not coming, you modify elements of the system, perhaps even put Martinez in midfield, or have crossover duties where he comes into midfield and use the ball from deep - there are many, many ways to workaround the issue, but the whole time, Casemiro gives you a platform from which these things are feasible. In terms of flexibility, he trumps practically any midfield signing we could make because of the ways he can be utilised whilst maintaining a solid shape and offering protection to the backline through the centre of the pitch at all times.
Of course those are valid concerns, but again, what are the alternatives? As I said previously to someone else: we need to get through this window with the means to be competitive, lick our wounds and moan about whatever after the fact and hopefully learn to never put ourselves in said predicament again. But as of today - right now - we are in really, really bad place with one of the worst midfields in the league and players of any worth turning their noses up at us left, right and centre. Until we are a desirable destination, this is our reality and we need quality and competency in equal measure to get out of said hole, which Casemiro brings with him in abundance.
The biggest value of all - apart from him ensuring our spine is not made of jelly - is theoretically unlocking both CB's, and the midfield to be specialists once more. There should be no more complaints of the backline being exposed or not getting protection; there should be no more confused positional errors from 6's who have no clue how to be 6's; there should be no more Fred on the wrong side of the halfway line making a pig's ear of the basics and furthermore, our playmaker should then get a chance to actually play-make. All of these things are foreign to us and our players at the moment. People seem to be short-sighted in looking only at Casemiro and not the bigger picture, which is a big mistake, as far as I am concerned. If he comes here, fit and firing, he is a catalyst in his own right, absolutely pivotal, imo.
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Still would be a great use of the FDJ funds so we aren't left empty handed this window after setting aside money for an elite midfielder
If we sign him for 60m then we’ve saved like over 10m because de Jong was gonna cost over 70 weren’t he. Still think we need another midfielder and a forward this window though. Hopefully we sign Antony and have a Brazilian connection in the team.
Hottest transfer of all time
Pretty much, they're scummy but very professional and that's respectable.
We also have a decent working relation ( bekham, rudd etc etc) so that should help as well.
They'll have Kroos, Modric, Tchouameni, Camavinga, Valverde, and possibly Ceballos (I think they were trying to get rid). I think they do want to sell, that's what they do. Rejuvenate their squad and improve it before it starts creaking and all their players are barely worth anything.
We’ve never attracted Europe's best midfielders to the club? Some of SAFs chosen midfields against Europe’s best midfields we’re let’s say brave to be polite.
I left that in to specifically see which dick head would make that joke.
More than that,
sold Makelele, Cambiasso, Samuel, Robben, Sneijder in their prime / pre-prime.
but that’s the job of world class recruitment teams isn’t it? To find players with top potential and unlock it? Except we don’t have world class recruitment so we through the dart at big names and hope they want to come. I’m looking at the list of players we’re linked with over the next 48 hours and it’s laughable. No strategy at all.
3 games into the season and now you go for this guy?
again my post isn’t a reflection on Casemiro, it’s On the powers that be at united who are flapping around with 13 days left of the window to sign players.. and YET again going for the obvious stop gap signing for big money because we don’t have any other options.
For a club this size it’s just so badly run at this points it’s laughable.
that’s if Casemiro even comes and a deal can be done with Madrid. If this one doesn’t happen then feck knows because this feels like a roll of the dice right now.
Everything is fecking temperature based with these Spanish transfer muppets.
Happy to oblige.
Nonsense. We need upgrades immediately. Even if we only get 3 years out of him, that is 3 years we now have to find his successor. And for those 3 years, it is a huge upgrade at a position that we have been desperate for for season upon season.
I have no idea how people see this as a negative signing???
Only onnnnne Casemiro, only onnnnne Casemiro
He’s big and strong
Sh*ts on De Jong
He our Brazilian superman
He’s big and strong
Sh*ts on De Jong
He our Brazilian superman
Maybe a tad?
Holy shit that is some grim reading!
McTominay winning out with those 1 yard passes.
We have gone from paying the pensions of Chelsea players (Mata and Matic) to Real Madrid (Varane, Ronaldo and Casemiro).
Deserves the big wages, but feel like we should be paying about what we paid for - circa 35mil. Desperate times though.
Deserves the big wages, but feel like we should be paying about what we paid for - circa 35mil. Desperate times though.
Excellent post. I share the same sentiments tbh.
Feels very much like a videogame type of signing. Too easy and obvious
From a respectable man like yourself?
Fair enough. I hated myself doing it too. But I’m on my phone, at work, in a meeting, and I’m trying to pretend to listen to this presentation they are giving me, but it’s so goddamn awful I’ve resorted to checking the Caf and pretending like I’m dealing with important business.
Eriksen can cover the Kroos role I guess but we don’t have a player close to Modric. I’m excited by the signing and not too bothered about the age (Thiago, Fernandinho were 29,28) but we definitely need to sign one more midfielder.
Is this CasemirON then?
So we should try for more of the FdJ ones?
What happens if he doesn’t come? This feels like a stab in the dark at the moment as we’re running out of options.
now if we got Casemiro and a couple other signings in before the window closes.. maybe it would feel different. It just doesn’t feel like we have a plan, does it? I’m not just talking about the two DMs who went to Real Madrid. There’s been a few sold who look good. Why didn’t we go for them?
let’s hope we get him because feck knows what happens if he says no thank you. Who next? 150million on declan rice on deadline day? Again.. no plan.
You literally replied "how boring" to my points about his wage packet and our transfer strategy
Try reading the thread instead of just trolling.
Nice to see you don’t deny it!
He's more accurate but has less long, short, backward, forward, and sideway passes completed. Literally less on every category.
That's one way to not make a lot of mistakes, hide.
I don’t mind paying a lot for someone like Casemiro, he’s class, also we have to get fleeced for a little bit now (thanks Ed, and Judge), until we are more competitive, then we would have more pull power, and are not as desperate in general.
God knows. I don't actually pay attention to other club's transfers. Does any other club go through all this 'monitoring the situation', 'preparing a bid', 'making an imminent approach' stuff?
Yeah. I'd rather get fleeced for Casemiro than Rabiot.
that's asking a lot of Casemiro to jump from a 3 man midfield (and one of the best in the world) to a 2 man midfield against a faster and more physical league with far less talented players surrounding him. On top of that I think we will see teams continue to try and press United up the pitch as long as this team is incapable of playing out of it.
Him and Scott McDominate will make some pairing.
With you on that one - if he can be our midfield engine for 3-4 yrs and help us push back up to consistent CL football then we'd be a much more attractive option for targets, and he'll have been worth every penny.
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