Carlos Quieroz

Originally posted by corelive:
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Yes i agree clough was a great manager but im certain after the success of 99 the players would only want to repeat that and the manager
are you saying that SAF should of gone upstairs when it was originally offered to him?
because every UTD fan wanted him to stay on as manager and now he is getting slagged off for doing so</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keano went and had a meeting with Alex to let him know that the players are resting on their laurels, and Alex agreed with him. When Yorke was sold it was no surprise - but he wasn't saying it was just the odd player, it was most! He even pointed the finger at himself (no one has higher standards than Keano) - why should we be any different?
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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i'll be honest.


i think its a natural decline... most of our players have won EVERYTHING in sight....

its happened to all great teams, we are no different.

i think it'll take us years to get back to the same postition... i hope we start rebuiling from the foundations again...and buy some young players, with talent......</strong><hr></blockquote>

I tend to agree - but you get other teams with less impressive players who are more cohesive and more solid.

It seems to me we've lost the ability to play as a unit.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>nothing lasts forever, arnie, sadly.

we should be grateful that we've had it good for so long.........</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you're gonna feck off now, like you did with Lancy ? ;)

(Second thoughts, lets not start on the cricket as well :( )
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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i'll be honest.


i think its a natural decline... most of our players have won EVERYTHING in sight....

its happened to all great teams, we are no different.

i think it'll take us years to get back to the same postition... i hope we start rebuiling from the foundations again...and buy some young players, with talent......</strong><hr></blockquote>
Its nice to see you being honest, feck what the scousers think. Our squad is aging, slowing, and lacking strength and desire. He said that he's tweaked around the core of Beckham, Giggs, Keano, Butt and Scholes - I'm starting to question the core, as they're aging. In 3 years time, how many of those will be first choice?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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You don't think that the rot had to do with not having a coach?</strong>

That was part of it, yes. I did say the rot set in before he got here, so that would indeed be whilst we were without a coach. And I think complacency set in both the players and manager. Efforts weren't made to continue stregthening and freshening the squad. They thought they only had to turn up and win it, such had been the ease with which they were winning the league.

<strong>And that his arrival has changed nothing?</strong>

It doesn't appear that way from the outside. Are he and Fergie on the same wavelength? Are the players confused by a conflict in tactical advice they are getting? Can't they adapt to a more continental type of play? I always thought we were at our best when we came out of the gates at full pace and put teams under the cosh from the start. We always seem passive at the start of games and let the other teams settle. I don't know the answer to these, just throwing them out there.

<strong>The rot set in when Fergie sodded about at the end of our last title winning season. The momentum was lost, Manchester United were no longer seen as invincible, and all for players who were never going to be good enough for the first team anyway.</strong>

I'm not sure about this. yes, it took the shine off winning the title a little bit, but I don't think it was the start of the decline.

<strong>The rot further set in with the purchase of Seba. Sad but true. He does not suit PL football. He has had excellent games in the CL, but let's be honest, he was no star in the World Cup was he. His arrival meant we had to change the way we played. The way that had been successful for a decade. And it's no good saying we'd been found out. Other teams are successful with 4-4-2, but Cole and Yorke just weren't good enough any more. It wasn't the system, it was the players.</strong>

Agreed about Veron. I was sceptical about his signing(but excited at the same time, if that's possible). I just don't think he fits and has disrupted the part of the team that needed the least tinkering. I also thought Cole still had a role to play here, but Yorke had outstayed his welcome.
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The next couple of years will be really interesting. Soon we will be rid of all the gloryhunters and we can start building from the bottom again.
 
And if we are in decline (IF?????) we have to look at the solutions, both short term and long term.

And short term it starts with Veron. I like him, and I feel sorry for him bearing the brunt of this type of stuff. But he isn't a Premier league player.
 
damn my slow typing. About a million posts jumped in before me. :(
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>And short term it starts with Veron. I like him, and I feel sorry for him bearing the brunt of this type of stuff. But he isn't a Premier league player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:( Truth always hurt.
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Anyway...back to Queiroz.

Anyone think he looks like that porn star ? Could explain the team's lack of energy today, maybe they've been helping out on his shoots.
 
We are about to embark on a massive period in this clubs history, and this is where the coaches must start earning their money. IMO the assistant should be from the British Isles, as the players can relate to them when they have problems. In Kidd and Maclaren, a player could come out and speak to him in private if there was something bugging him, now with Quieroz (no disrespect to him, he sounds like a good coach) it seems the players are lost when they need someone to turn to, what with Quieroz not having the best English. SAF is a good motivator, but most of our players have been with him for the best part of their careers, in the case of Giggs, Becks, Scholes etc they have been with SAF for most of their lives, I wonder if its getting a bit stale. What I'm most worried about is that we are going to play the Arse and Pool in the next few weeks and our morale and confidence has hit rock bottom. If the assistant cant fire them up - Quieroz seems a bit quiet - and the manager is a bit stale in the motivation department, we have problems imo. I cant wait for Keano to come back. Bryan Robson for assistant manager! ;)
 
Call me old-fashioned - but for British football, I would prefer British or N.European managers/coaches.

Carlos is a Latin. Latins play slower football.
 
Agree with you there Gazza. Well, not too sure about Robbo as assistant. ;)

Nice to have a rational discussion about the sitaution though. I've enjoyed it. Thanks to Livvie, Gazza et al for that. Bye.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Call me old-fashioned - but for British football, I would prefer British or N.European managers/coaches.

Carlos is a Latin. Latins play slower football.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ahhh....so that was your point...

Relax; he's only there as an interpreter for SAF ;)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Call me old-fashioned - but for British football, I would prefer British or N.European managers/coaches.

Carlos is a Latin. Latins play slower football.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Its not slower, its more controlled and disciplined. United don't have the players for a "Latin" style game.
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Originally posted by blythy:
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Perhaps its the Nike kit...</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by mathiaslg:
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Its not slower, its more controlled and disciplined. United don't have the players for a "Latin" style game.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed.

It's no good having just the one.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Agreed.

It's no good having just the one.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It would work if United had two out-and-out wingers and a slightly more mobile forward line ala Henry. My outlook, however, is United is trying to play as such, and that is why they are struggling.
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Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
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So you're gonna feck off now, like you did with Lancy ? ;)

(Second thoughts, lets not start on the cricket as well :( )</strong><hr></blockquote>

i'll always be a red, even if we become a non league team..

i can;t support someone elses local club..... ;)


and lancy... we were great during the 90's :(
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