Can we catch arsenal?
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so your saying the title race is over with 15 games to go and only 5 points in it
As said above the Highbury match is the key. We can't afford to lose and probably need to win.
The Arse are likely to drop some points over the next six matches. Liverpool, Newcastle and Blackburn away are no easy wins.
I can't for my life see us drop any points against city. Soton away isn't easy and Leeds will always be tough but I think and hope we'll get 15+ points from the next six matches and then the race will be wide open.
Our problem so far has been that we haven't scored as easy as Arse. We have probably created as many, if not more, chances but we tend to miss to many.
The Arse are likely to drop some points over the next six matches. Liverpool, Newcastle and Blackburn away are no easy wins.
I can't for my life see us drop any points against city. Soton away isn't easy and Leeds will always be tough but I think and hope we'll get 15+ points from the next six matches and then the race will be wide open.
Our problem so far has been that we haven't scored as easy as Arse. We have probably created as many, if not more, chances but we tend to miss to many.
We are only 5 points behind but we are also a shit load of goals worse off. The Arse are socring so many at the moment. All we need is for them to draw or lose a couple and we could be level.
I agree that the match at highbury will probably decide the Championship. We can't afford to lose again this season IMO.
If the Dippers can get a result out of the Arse it would help a lot.
The main thing for us to do now is start racking up some big wins. If we can the goal difference back on track we're laughing.
In truth i don't know whether we can catch Arsenal, but i think it could go down to the last day again.
I agree that the match at highbury will probably decide the Championship. We can't afford to lose again this season IMO.
If the Dippers can get a result out of the Arse it would help a lot.
The main thing for us to do now is start racking up some big wins. If we can the goal difference back on track we're laughing.
In truth i don't know whether we can catch Arsenal, but i think it could go down to the last day again.
Originally posted by Jopub the Gooner:
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Interesting that you are taking a slightly more aggressive view than this thread deserves mate .
It shows your fear
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Keep your feet on the ground mate wether you win or lose , a modicum of modesty won't kill you.</strong><hr></blockquote>
well, you sound like Arse has already won the treble two times and is going to win the treble this season! The fact is you have not and you unlikely will!
I dont need to brag about our troupies cabinet, it's for all to see. This is an United Forum in case you have forgotten! You obviously have done some homework although only your counting ability is better.
Anyway, i dont need to argue with you. My last post was only spurred when i couldnt help laughing about the habit you said you acquired (from us!). I thought my post was light hearted (albeit true feeling) as opposed to being aggressive. No?!
Our true feeling about the club's success (if you are denying i am right to use the word 'success', probably i dont need to respond to your post any more in the future!! Give credit where credits due!)in the past decade has never been an issue whether being modest or not. And i know for a fact that most true United fans have seldem been too complacent. It's your team's and manager's and most of their fans' arrogant attitude that are at times obnoxious and off putting at best!
Fear?? I want to laugh again!!
PM for ya Redevil2.
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>PM for ya Redevil2.
sent one to ya right back!
We're getting off the subject a bit here but hell we're people that's what we do !
"Modesty - Wasn't it Wenger who said he expects Arsenal to go unbeaten this season. Now who needs to be inject a bit of modesty."
No he did not say that but for me to argue that on here is pointless.
"If you do retain the title this year it will be a great acheivement, but i'd like to see how well you do if you lost Henry. For my money you are a poorer side without him and the law of averages state he is due for an injury because i can't ever remember him being out. "
A ridiculous point .
When you are without Keane you are toothless . Nearly every bad run you have had in the last five years has coincided with him being out.
For God sake we are talking about world class players here of course you will miss them because they are world class ........ duuurr .
"If Henry" ...... we have strength in depth that's precisely where we are at least your equals now . Last year we had injuries / bans worse than you've had but we got through with likes of Grimandi. Thats gone now , our worst players now are say ... Wiltord and he were'nt that bad last May at your gaf Lunberg ... not bad Kanu can't get in the side .
We won that amazing match at St James's last year WITHOUT Henry . Vieira has been missing for over a month now and at times last season .
You talk bollocks mate - "If you did'nt have Henry" etc ...... then we put in Wiltord / Bergkamp Pires whoever they are quality enough to adapt their game and as they are world class STILL punish opposition defences .
I could say the same about van Nist great player
and when firing all on you'd would miss him who would'nt .
Think about it .
For me the player you miss most of all when out is Beckham . Utterly fantastic , gives you another five options when on it . I know you did well without him recently but not as well with him
If you still had George Best bla bla bla
Talk some sense man
"Modesty - Wasn't it Wenger who said he expects Arsenal to go unbeaten this season. Now who needs to be inject a bit of modesty."
No he did not say that but for me to argue that on here is pointless.
"If you do retain the title this year it will be a great acheivement, but i'd like to see how well you do if you lost Henry. For my money you are a poorer side without him and the law of averages state he is due for an injury because i can't ever remember him being out. "
A ridiculous point .
When you are without Keane you are toothless . Nearly every bad run you have had in the last five years has coincided with him being out.
For God sake we are talking about world class players here of course you will miss them because they are world class ........ duuurr .
"If Henry" ...... we have strength in depth that's precisely where we are at least your equals now . Last year we had injuries / bans worse than you've had but we got through with likes of Grimandi. Thats gone now , our worst players now are say ... Wiltord and he were'nt that bad last May at your gaf Lunberg ... not bad Kanu can't get in the side .
We won that amazing match at St James's last year WITHOUT Henry . Vieira has been missing for over a month now and at times last season .
You talk bollocks mate - "If you did'nt have Henry" etc ...... then we put in Wiltord / Bergkamp Pires whoever they are quality enough to adapt their game and as they are world class STILL punish opposition defences .
I could say the same about van Nist great player
and when firing all on you'd would miss him who would'nt .
Think about it .
For me the player you miss most of all when out is Beckham . Utterly fantastic , gives you another five options when on it . I know you did well without him recently but not as well with him
If you still had George Best bla bla bla
Talk some sense man
Arsenal are a David Seaman lob away from confidence troubles. Note how their bad run started just after Seaman fluffed it for England. Opposing players knew he was vulnerable and exploited it, and the resulting uncertainty spread throughout the team.
You can't see him making too many world class reflex saves now, of the kind Cudiccini (sp?) pulled off against RVN. And you need that kind of ability to keep clean sheets March/April when games tend to be won 1-0.
I really think Arsenal's defence is their achilles heel this season. They will concede goals, it's almost a guarantee.
Having said that, so can we although we're looking defensively strong at the moment.
The Champions League restarting will be the usual wild card.
You can't see him making too many world class reflex saves now, of the kind Cudiccini (sp?) pulled off against RVN. And you need that kind of ability to keep clean sheets March/April when games tend to be won 1-0.
I really think Arsenal's defence is their achilles heel this season. They will concede goals, it's almost a guarantee.
Having said that, so can we although we're looking defensively strong at the moment.
The Champions League restarting will be the usual wild card.
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I should point out that redevil2 is not a bloke mate. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
The point about Gooner's and modesty is a good point, just yesterday we had to ban one Gooner because of it, many seem to think this season's title is already won - ignoring the lessons of previous seasons. I can understand that being Champions has gone to the head of a lot of fans, but its important to keep your feet on the ground too. Arsenal haven't won back to back league titles for a long time and have never dominated a decade, those are facts. To achieve that requires excellent man-management to maintain desire and a large squad that can handle injury crises.
You mention how we are without Keano, perhaps you're forgetting that we had the much laughed at Phil Neville playing for us against you, and he humiliated Vieira in your defeat to us recently. We had 8 players requiring operations in the first few months of the season! You are very reliant on Henry, just as we are on Ruud and you'll have noticed that most of us want another striker to reduce this reliance. Its how you cope though without a handful of players thats important though, and your bad run early this season indicated that you can't handle it very well, so its fair to say that if you have an injury hit second half of the season then your lead might evaporate rapidly. That you don't admit this is why we find you arrogant.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Look,it stands to reason that if you lose your best players through injury/suspension ,and for any period of time,then the likelihood is you're going to struggle.What I disagree with (and I suspect Jopub does too)is the implicit suggestion of many of you Mancs that Arsenal is a one man team.We're not....we have many world class players and have shown we can cope when they are missing.We beat Newcastle at St James Park last season without Henry and you lot at OT without Henry and Pires.
Now,if we were to lose a few of Vieira/Henry/Pires/Bergkamp/Campbell/Ljungberg/Silva/Cole for any period then we would probably find it difficult,but I'm confident the squad ,as we showed last year ,is strong enough to retain our title,regardless of who might miss the odd match or two.
As for being labelled arrogant.....what breathtaking hypocrisy that sounds coming,as it does, from a Man Utd fan.
That really takes the biscuit !!
Some good points being made on both sides here, but to answer the question....simply.
Yes United can still catch the Arse and the situation after we go and (hopefully) beat the Arse at Highbury will then determine, I think, who will finally win the league. After that game if either side has more than 3 points advantage then it will be tricky indeed for the other to overhaul them. It is also now, IMO, a two horse race.
Yes United can still catch the Arse and the situation after we go and (hopefully) beat the Arse at Highbury will then determine, I think, who will finally win the league. After that game if either side has more than 3 points advantage then it will be tricky indeed for the other to overhaul them. It is also now, IMO, a two horse race.
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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As for being labelled arrogant.....what breathtaking hypocrisy that sounds coming,as it does, from a Man Utd fan.
That really takes the biscuit !!</strong><hr></blockquote>
We have always been the best supported club all over the world and we think we can achieve the best. Call that arrogance if you want.
Arsenal a one man team? I wouldn't say that. One trick team more like. Like United about 3 years ago. That's why European success is still far away.
Originally posted by spinoza:
<strong>Arsenal a one man team? I wouldn't say that. One trick team more like. Like United about 3 years ago. That's why European success is still far away.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I seem to remember your one-trick team doing rather well in Europe 3 or so years ago
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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I seem to remember your one-trick team doing rather well in Europe 3 or so years ago
then teams found out how to play against our 4-4-2
hence the change