Can ETH get us scoring 80 league goals in his first season?

Chelsea scored 76 so probably not.
We would comfortably finish third and maybe even higher if it happened though.
 
I would like it if he could stop us from conceding 57 goals next season.
 
SAF averaged 77.9 goals for per season during the 20-team PL years, hitting 80 or more in eight of eighteen seasons (less than half). He was only under 70 three times. But he also averaged 33.6 goals against. That's an average GD of +44.3.

Wins and GD are definitely way more important than GF in by mind.
 
Almost zero chance. We will need our wingers to score way more and Bruno will also need to find his shooting boots. If we have any chance of doing that, we need Rashford to get out of his funk and start scoring like he used to. We're also heavily reliant on Ronaldo staying fit.

I don't think this is the biggest problem. We didn't score that many goals, but our main problem was how many we conceded. We conceded more goals than Burnley and they got relegated.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
How did ole get 73, add Ronaldo and Sancho and totally fall apart
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Rashford Greenwood and Martial tore it up regularly, probably the most enjoyable front 3 we have had in 10 years to watch that season. Of course not forgetting Bruno's contribution too, but that front 3 felt like they had a goal from at least one of them each game.

In regards to 80 goals, not a chance. 70 is realistic so long as previous goalscorers (Rashford, Bruno, Sancho - Bundesliga form) can all reach double figures themselves in the league
 
I would be much happier if Erik would have us with a coherent defensive approach, whether by dominating possession or parking the bus.
 
No chance this season. Would be great if we could get 80 season after this. We need 2/3 new attackers for this to happen and we won’t be getting them all this window. Our goal difference was 0 this year. If he can get us to 35-40 I’d be delighted
 
Crashoutcassius said:
How did ole get 73, add Ronaldo and Sancho and totally fall apart
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Because he massively outperformed his xG during a period of empty stadiums and other teams massively underperforming. We saw his true level the following season.
 
I think set pieces are something we really need to target for an easy win. City are scoring 14 extra goals a season on us just from their offensive set pieces. We've improved our defensive set pieces but our attacking ones are still woeful. Thankfully set pieces were a feature of Ajax's success this year having scored 19 goals from them so hopefully they know what they're doing.

We're also getting nothing from our midfield. Fred scored 4 league goals last year but it's difficult to see him replicating that again. He scored it from 1.5 xg. People on here hate Pogba but he chipped in with a lot of goal contributions and was very good in the air so we'll miss that next year.
 
Skills said:
Are you sure, you wouldn't be happier following some other club?
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I’m sure :angel: some games we could win 3-1 or 4-2 but if over all we concede less we wouldn’t need so many goals.
Tavern in the town said:
Yep, we should be aiming to concede 0 goals next season.
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Would be amazing. Of course i don’t think that’s doable but that’s the mentality and at this point a team so defensively strong would hold up better over 38 games since the mid to lesser teams don’t have much firepower.

Gator Nate said:
SAF averaged 77.9 goals for per season during the 20-team PL years, hitting 80 or more in eight of eighteen seasons (less than half). He was only under 70 three times. But he also averaged 33.6 goals against. That's an average GD of +44.3.

Wins and GD are definitely way more important than GF in by mind.
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I agree because you could literally never lose a game in which you don’t concede a goal. Of course wins are more important than draws but i still stand 50 goals scored and 11 conceded could be a a season in which a team never draws or loses
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Footballs moved on since then

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dat...eed-in-the-league-now-vs-a-decade-ago.452406/
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Great thread but it ends at 2019. Surely we can agree the game has even changed since then. Seems the blitzkrieg but defensively sound Manchester city
CloneMC16 said:
Almost zero chance. We will need our wingers to score way more and Bruno will also need to find his shooting boots. If we have any chance of doing that, we need Rashford to get out of his funk and start scoring like he used to. We're also heavily reliant on Ronaldo staying fit.

I don't think this is the biggest problem. We didn't score that many goals, but our main problem was how many we conceded. We conceded more goals than Burnley and they got relegated.
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So we have zero chance considering what you listed is what Ten Hag had been hired to do?
 
TheRedHearted said:
So we have zero chance considering what you listed is what Ten Hag had been hired to do?
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Almost zero chance, because we're coming off of such a bad season. We'd need to score an additional 23 to make it to 80. That's a big jump. If we're not making any major signings that are going to score more goals off the wing, I find it hard to see it happening. We're banking on Ronaldo staying fit and playing well. We will need Rashford back scoring 15+ and/or we will need a new wing forward that's going to score a decent amount.

The initial goal should be to stop conceding so many goals. The more goals we concede, the harder it is to win matches. It also becomes harder to score goals when the opposition go ahead. They give us even less space, and our team has been notoriously poor at breaking teams down. That should be something that improves under ETH.

The amount of times we've conceded 3 or more goals in a game this season is too high. These games have really damaged our GD. When the team are being humiliated, it's going to be harder to find the confidence to comeback and score enough goals to win games.

If we can score 80+, that'll be absolutely amazing. Fair play to ETH if he can get that our of these players. I think a more realistic aim is for the team to concede less than 40/45. If they concede less, I'm positive that they will also score a bit more.
 
CloneMC16 said:
Almost zero chance, because we're coming off of such a bad season. We'd need to score an additional 23 to make it to 80. That's a big jump. If we're not making any major signings that are going to score more goals off the wing, I find it hard to see it happening. We're banking on Ronaldo staying fit and playing well. We will need Rashford back scoring 15+ and/or we will need a new wing forward that's going to score a decent amount.

The initial goal should be to stop conceding so many goals. The more goals we concede, the harder it is to win matches. It also becomes harder to score goals when the opposition go ahead. They give us even less space, and our team has been notoriously poor at breaking teams down. That should be something that improves under ETH.

The amount of times we've conceded 3 or more goals in a game this season is too high. These games have really damaged our GD. When the team are being humiliated, it's going to be harder to find the confidence to comeback and score enough goals to win games.

If we can score 80+, that'll be absolutely amazing. Fair play to ETH if he can get that our of these players. I think a more realistic aim is for the team to concede less than 40/45. If they concede less, I'm positive that they will also score a bit more.
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I agree but Ten Hag is being brought in to make our attack click more. We could already agree they under performed as it was, so 63 was under performing so it’s not where we should be.
That being said we also have sancho and elanga who if rashford underperforms can play on either side of the flank. Elanga prefers the left but can play the right, and where Sancho prefers or does best at i honestly don’t know.

point is we underperformed, if ten Hag helps our wingers score more we are already at a good start. I’m sure he’ll sign a forward, and honestly an effective fullback. That In itself will help our wing play
 
We were horrifying beyond belief this season but were still only 23 goals short of the 80 that’s being discussed here. It’s quite doable, mates.

It’s our defending that needs the massive upgrade, starting midfielders who can actually control midfield. But that’s the subject of another thread.
 
I'd settle for conceding less than the teams who get relegated.

I'm a dreamer.
 
m1tch said:
Given that Ole (in some people's eyes) was a worse manager than Ralf, then surely reaching 80 isn't going to be that big of a deal?
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Well that all depends on whom the new boss gets in, as players who scored 24 goals from that season (20/21) are now gone and with a new system and new most likely to the league, that's a fair bit of pressure, but who's to say they couldn't explode like Bruno did when he first arrived, although that was a bit more of a settled team than what Erik is walking into. Marcus devoid of confidence, Martial returning from a not so great loan spell and well the mason situation, right back, MF all issues that need addressing, damn Erik must have some confidence in his own ability which hopefully bodes well for us heading into this season.

As for comparing Ole and Ralf, not a fan of it, as we were nice to watch at times under Ole and Ralf, if we are honest, he was on a hiding to nothing here, given the state the squad was in, issues I've address above, and not getting money for new players in Jan when it was clear to all we were in need.
 
Tavern in the town said:
No it isn’t because scoring goals is more important than not conceding then.
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Scoring goals is very important and makes for great entertainment .No one likes to see United lashing goals in more than I do.
But every manager that ever was starts out with a sound defence.
 
We 100 percent need a striker as no.1 priority in the summer.
 
Why on earth can we not just try and play out wide and cross the ball?

We are never scoring the way we play especially with the only winger Erik plays simply unable and unwilling to even try to cross a ball
 
�Pretty damning in how reliant we are on Rashford for goals
NameGoalsAssistsGamesMin per Goal
1Marcus Rashford29953140
2Bruno Fernandes111254429
3Antony8241364
4Anthony Martial7325174
5Fred6551348
5Jadon Sancho6236336
7Casemiro5646695
8Alejandro Garnacho4429266
9Cristiano RonaldoC3216350
9Marcel Sabitzer3118348
9Scott McTominay3135550
12Christian Eriksen29391377
12Wout Weghorst2327800
12Diogo Dalot22411578
15Luke Shaw16433330
15Lisandro Martínez10453404
 
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