Buying Local, Selling Abroad

[Velvet Revolver]

It's sure a myth for us, then. Our EPL hiring in the last seasons have been expensive and poor. Our scouting might be at fault. though.

Our transfer in the last few years has been a myth actually. The fact that players within EPL and outside have faired pretty bad is an indication of that. I dont think our scouts are managed well or even if they are Ed is the final authority so he probably doesnt even look at scout reports.

 

[JPRouve]

Ok, I'll break it down:



The bolded is absolute tripe JP, his first team had pretty much no academy players in it. His 3rd team had very few. All 3 of his teams had a load of Premier League proven buys in them.

Team 1 backbone: Pallister/Bruce, Keane/Ince, Cantona


Team 2 backbone: Stam, Keane, Yorke


Team 3 backbone: Ferdinand, Carrick, Rooney

That's extremely selective but fair enough.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Our scouting system was apparently one man and his dog at one point. As far as Im aware there was a new system put in place (by woody to his credit)last year or the year before. Jose said it would take a few years to bear fruit. But its supposedly a really strong system now.

My issue has been the fact that we pay big fees for anyone regardless of location. Every time we get linked to someone, we pay the "united price". And then we sell low or let the player leave on a free. I dont think that changes with location. Im sure we got quoted silly money for morata then chelsea got him for ten or fifteen million less. Then theres the agent fees that seem to go up when its us. 75 mil for lukuku with chelsea offering more of that figure to the club than the manager than we were, and he came here.

I honestly think its our negotiation team thats the issue. Home or abroad we have a reputation as push overs and we get taken advantage of.

 

[do.ob]

Harry Maguire and AWB aren't either, hence why they are playing where they are currently. You can't buy the "best" players, they already play for the top 4-5. I thought that point was obvious?

Put another way, I personally think the chances of Maguire and AWB succeeding at a top Premier League cup are much much more likely than the likes of say Danilo or Lindelöf.

And because the bolded part is so obviously true, it's so obviously wrong to center your transfer strategy on buying PL players.

AWB and Maguire are touted for basically double the fees of Danilo and Lindelöf, actually approaching world record dimensions for their respective positions. If you're smarter than (almost) everyone else like Liverpool and pay €80m for a CB (or say €30m for freshly relegated Wijnaldum), because you're certain he's going to be one of the best in the world and function as the missing piece of your defense then that's one thing. But if you pay that kind of money, because "well, PL proven" then that sounds pretty insane to me and run the risk of ending up with more players like Lukaku or Sanchez.

 

[André Dominguez]

Obviously.

But as I say above, if put another way, I personally think the chances of Maguire and AWB succeeding at a top Premier League cup are much much more likely than the likes of say Danilo or Lindelöf.

Same goes for Mane over Pepe.

Mané can be considered a bit of hindsight ehehehe

But I understand the logic:
1 - EPL proven players face our opponent's and manage to offer good performances.
2 - As they play in EPL, they already "know" the players of our team (which guarantees a better adaption) and the opponents they are facing, leaving smaller spaces for "surprises".

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

And because the bolded part is so obviously true, it's so obviously false to center your transfer strategy on buying PL players.

Well it's not, because Roy Keane wasn't the best midfielder in the league when he joined, but he quickly became that. VVD wasn't the best defender, Lampard wasn't the best goal scoring midfielder... etc etc etc.

The Michael Carrick signing reminds me so much of the potential Maguire one actually, hardly anyone wanted him and most were fuming that we'd spent so much on a player available for 1 tenth of the price just 1.5 years earlier from West Ham. Carrick you see, didn't fit the idea of a top central midfielder that many of our fans had, and there were much cheaper popular options abroad, but my oh my how wrong they were proven.

You centre your strategy on good players obviously, wherever they are from, but your success rate with players from your own league tends to be higher, which is pretty logical really.

 

[davidmichael]

I’d say we’ve been just as unrealistic in trying to sell our players which is why Darmian, Jones, Bailly and Rojo for example are still at the club despite being supposed targets for many clubs over the past year or so.

 

[do.ob]

Well it's not, because Roy Keane wasn't the best midfielder in the league when he joined, but he quickly became that. VVD wasn't the best defender, Lampard wasn't the best goal scoring midfielder... etc etc etc.

The Michael Carrick signing reminds me so much of the potential Maguire one actually, hardly anyone wanted him and most were fuming that we'd spent so much on a player available for 1 tenth of the price just 1.5 years earlier from West Ham. Carrick you see, didn't fit the idea of a top central midfielder that many of our fans had, and there were much cheaper popular options abroad, but my oh my how wrong they were proven.

You centre your strategy on good players obviously, wherever they are from, but your success rate with players from your own league tends to be higher, which is pretty logical really.

I think all the top leagues are on a very good and professional level and how well a player fits into a team's style is a hundred times more important than whether he played in England or say Italy or Germany before. It's most likely still a factor, but it's something you potentially have to pay a lot of money for.

I'm not sure how much being PL proven helped with Lukaku and Sanchez, but I do know that it cost United tons of money on their fee/wage.

If United actually do pay 70-80mil for Maguire his fee will be in the neighborhood of de Ligt, van Dijk, L. Hernandes, I wonder if he will be as good a player as them.

 

[Roboc7]

It’s a bad time to decide you want to buy British AWB, Maguire and Rice would probably set you back about £200m. Teams don’t need to sell and players aren’t as desperate to join so I don’t think it’s a well thought out policy and can’t be compared to what it was like for SAF.

With decent scouting you could find better players for a lot less money and that’s what most teams will do. If we want to buy British you either have to be prepared to get completely ripped off or have to look at players like James, Longstaff and Aaron’s.

In our current position and given the change in finances in the league we have to start buying players like Diop straight from French league or Maguire from Hull rather than deciding we want them a year later for three times as much.

 

[Ballist1x]

How many millions wasted on players like Mata, Matic, etc.

Old players for sky high fees well past their best with transfer fees not recoupable?

They clog up the team, can't be moved on easily and make no sense to anyone except the manager who wanted short term quick fixes at the ultimate expense of medium term growth.