Bundesliga 2016/17

Dembele is carrying us big time since coming on. Superstar in the making.
 
The referee is f*cking shite. You don't send off Mor for reacting to this absolutely cynical foul. Feck off.

It was normal to react, show him a yellow ffs.
 
Come on Dortmund. Score a late winner somehow. Keep the title racing interesting. Don't want to see Bayern Munich running away with the title for the 5th season in a row.
 
I think it was a red card and it might be good for Mor in the long run. He seems to be quite hot headed so a red card like this could help him cool down in the future.

Ribery is a good example of what happens if you don't dish out red cards for this kind of stupidity...
 
Piratesoup said:
I think it was a red card and it might be good for Mor in the long run. He seems to be quite hot headed so a red card like this could help him cool down in the future.

Ribery is a good example of what happens if you don't dish out red cards for this kind of stupidity...
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So are we now equaling elbow hits to the head, stomps and poking someones eyes out with a push to the chest? Are you kidding me?
 
What a stupid foul, clear red.

Hopefully Dortmund can win it now.
 
Sphaero said:
So are we now equaling elbow hits to the head, stomps and poking someones eyes out with a push to the chest? Are you kidding me?
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I knew a Dortmund fan would get offended because I mentioned the name Ribery, Jesus Christ... I did not equate anything at all, I agree and always have agreed that Ribery should've seen multiple red cards. I just happen to think that Mor's red was justified as well. No need to piss on my leg just because you're drawing right now. It's not my fault that our refs suck. Thought you're more rational than that.

To clarify: "This kind of stupidity" = Getting so outraged after a foul that you start getting physical against the fouler. Happy now?
 
These were the two fairest teams of the league before the match and the only reason it spiraled out of control here is the ref. Ugly, ugly game.
 
I wish this ref was on the scene when I went to Berlin to watch these 2 do next to nothing in a 0-0 last season.
 
I don't know what Stocker was thinking there...first he completely messes up that huge counter-attack chance and then he gets so frustrated that he commits a horrible foul a few seconds later.
Overall a good result for us...not completely undeserved since Dortmumd woke up so late.
 
Piratesoup said:
I knew a Dortmund fan would get offended because I mentioned the name Ribery, Jesus Christ... I did not equate anything at all, I agree and always have agreed that Ribery should've seen multiple red cards. I just happen to think that Mor's red was justified as well. No need to piss on my leg just because you're drawing right now. It's not my fault that our refs suck. Thought you're more rational than that.

To clarify: "This kind of stupidity" = Getting so outraged after a foul that you start getting physical against the fouler. Happy now?
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And I happen to believe that the kind of physicality should determine the color of the card. It was a push to the chest after being held down for half a minute, an action which has no chance of actually hurting or injuring (not ot mention Langkamp is 20 kg heavier and a head taller) someone, following an reaction which Langkamp just admitted himself was an overreaction.

That is a yellow for both of them (as both broke the ruies in that instance).

If we lower the bar for red cards that low, every time it gets hectic on the pitch, the ref would need to start giving out reds like candy, it also means that it is viewed as the same kind of offense as a jumped in tackle from behind, which could cripple a player (see Stocker a few minutes later).

As for the supposed learning effect for Mor that should never ever determine a call of a ref. He is supposed to be neutral.
 
Sphaero said:
And I happen to believe that the kind of physicality should determine the color of the card. It was a push to the chest after being held down for half a minute, an action which has no chance of actually hurting or injuring (not ot mention Langkamp is 20 kg heavier and a head taller) someone, following an reaction which Langkamp just admitted himself was an overreaction.

That is a yellow for both of them (as both broke the ruies in that instance).

If we lower the bar for red cards that low, every time it gets hectic on the pitch, the ref would need to start giving out reds like candy, it also means that it is viewed as the same kind of offense as a jumped in tackle from behind, which could cripple a player (see Stocker a few minutes later).

As for the supposed learning effect for Mor that should never ever determine a call of a ref. He is supposed to be neutral.
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Part 1: Well, so do I. I just think that stupidly and aggressively pushing a player with both hands when play is stopped and there's no ball to fight over and the other player is NOT engaging in any after-whistle-bullshit (it was just Mor going at him, there was no mutual shoving after the ref blew his whistle, no going head to head etc.) is unsportsmanlike enough for me to warrant a red card. There's always the length of the ban to punish players more or less severely. Mor should be at the lowest end of the scale, Ribery way further up. We might differ on that opinion, fair enough. No reason to go flying off the rafters and taking things out of context just because I dared to mention the red flag Ribery.

Part 2: I never thought about the Ref being influenced by the "learning effect", I just personally happen to think that it might be good for Mor's future so he does not end up like Ribery who clearly got away way to often with shit like this and got progressively more violent the more often he didn't see red. Don't know how you could interpret that the way you did to be frank.
 
Piratesoup said:
Part 1: Well, so do I. I just think that stupidly and aggressively pushing a player with both hands when play is stopped and there's no ball to fight over and the other player is NOT engaging in any after-whistle-bullshit (it was just Mor going at him, there was no mutual shoving after the ref blew his whistle, no going head to head etc.) is unsportsmanlike enough for me to warrant a red card. There's always the length of the ban to punish players more or less severely. Mor should be at the lowest end of the scale, Ribery way further up. We might differ on that opinion, fair enough. No reason to go flying off the rafters and taking things out of context just because I dared to mention the red flag Ribery.

Part 2: I never thought about the Ref being influenced by the "learning effect", I just personally happen to think that it might be good for Mor's future so he does not end up like Ribery who clearly got away way to often with shit like this and got progressively more violent the more often he didn't see red. Don't know how you could interpret that the way you did to be frank.
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So what about Lustenberger throwing himself to the ground to make a meal out of it (in this damn near cartooninsh scene Mor never created enough force to send the way bigger and taller player flying)? That also unsportsmanlike (he could have easily balanced the push out and not atually jumped off the ground) and should be punished, right? So, you send both off, right?

As for the topic of Ribery, you know damn well that the cnut is a sore topic for my club, and bringing him up in the middle of the game after an at least debateble red and then expecting rationality is asking a bit too much, don´t you think?
 
Sphaero said:
These were the two fairest teams of the league before the match and the only reason it spiraled out of control here is the ref. Ugly, ugly game.
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The ref lost control, but Tuchel didn't exactly help to make it an easier game to referee.
 
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