Gaming Building a gaming PC

OK cheers. It's Win 7 Ultimate (I know!), so I'm a bit concerned if I hit that particular hiccup.

That issue I posted about some time ago with the RAM and various problems, turns out the bay where the CPU is seated has some thermal paste in it. I have no idea how it got under the CPU, but I'm pretty sure it's fecked the board and is preventing access to certain parts of it.

Win 7 is still a valid licence for Windows 10, but yeah they may complain about that as they don't deal with Win 7 anymore. Any reason why you don't just convert it to Win 10 licence as you can still do that free now (it's a lot better than it used to be, honest!)

Weird, but it makes sense - I was going to ask how you were going with that a while back. Thermal paste is pretty strong stuff, so it could definitely interfere with the pins if it got into the socket and produce random errors.
 
Win 7 is still a valid licence for Windows 10, but yeah they may complain about that as they don't deal with Win 7 anymore. Any reason why you don't just convert it to Win 10 licence as you can still do that free now (it's a lot better than it used to be, honest!)

Weird, but it makes sense - I was going to ask how you were going with that a while back. Thermal paste is pretty strong stuff, so it could definitely interfere with the pins if it got into the socket and produce random errors.
I've got some old programs I still use that haven't been updated to Win 10. I have dual boot with Win 10 on an M.2, but I rarely use it, if I'm honest.

Yeah, when I took the CPU out, there was a gloop on one side of the bay, which I have no idea how to get out, and I think it's probably done irreparable damage by now, anyway. It's a miracle the system's still running, but intriguing to see how it holds on to some resources to do so (turning my 64 into a 16, for example), I've a number of programs that won't work now, including things like driver updates and sound to my TV (it's completely removed the option) and half my USB ports are dead.
 
OK cheers. It's Win 7 Ultimate (I know!), so I'm a bit concerned if I hit that particular hiccup.

That issue I posted about some time ago with the RAM and various problems, turns out the bay where the CPU is seated has some thermal paste in it. I have no idea how it got under the CPU, but I'm pretty sure it's fecked the board and is preventing access to certain parts of it.

Removewat.

You have a license, it's fair game. Plus, feck M$
 
So I’m basically not using my PC at all at the moment and haven’t for a while. I think I’ll probably build a new one when I finally get the urge to use it again so I’m thinking of selling it but haven’t got the first clue what it might be worth these days


INNO3D GEFORCE GTX 1070 X2 V3 GDDR5

Aerocool 1000 Case

Game Max GM700 700w 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply

Intel Core I7-7700K Socket 1151 8MB Cache

Corsair Watercool Fan

Corsair Vengeance Blue LED 16GB DDR4 3200 Memory Kit

Gigabyte Z170X-ULTRA GAMING Socket 1151 ATX Motherboard

About 1.5GB over 3 or 4 SSD Drives.

Anyone have any idea what I might get for it?
 
So I’m basically not using my PC at all at the moment and haven’t for a while. I think I’ll probably build a new one when I finally get the urge to use it again so I’m thinking of selling it but haven’t got the first clue what it might be worth these days


INNO3D GEFORCE GTX 1070 X2 V3 GDDR5

Aerocool 1000 Case

Game Max GM700 700w 80 Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply

Intel Core I7-7700K Socket 1151 8MB Cache

Corsair Watercool Fan

Corsair Vengeance Blue LED 16GB DDR4 3200 Memory Kit

Gigabyte Z170X-ULTRA GAMING Socket 1151 ATX Motherboard

About 1.5GB over 3 or 4 SSD Drives.

Anyone have any idea what I might get for it?
That’s a pile of shit. I can give you maybe tree fiddy.
 
That’s a pile of shit. I can give you maybe tree fiddy.
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Win 7 is still a valid licence for Windows 10, but yeah they may complain about that as they don't deal with Win 7 anymore. Any reason why you don't just convert it to Win 10 licence as you can still do that free now (it's a lot better than it used to be, honest!)

Weird, but it makes sense - I was going to ask how you were going with that a while back. Thermal paste is pretty strong stuff, so it could definitely interfere with the pins if it got into the socket and produce random errors.
So the transfer to the replacement board went [almost] perfectly - all RAM showed up and was working immediately and there's been no issues with the hardware... except my M.2 is not being recognised for some reason.

On the software side, however, it's been the usual nightmare I've come to expect, and I'm probably going to bin win 7 and sacrifice some of these old programs I've been holding on to as there are a myriad of problems I cannot seem to fix, and I'm long past the days of sitting for days/weeks on end breaking this stuff down to minutiae, or even finding it an interesting process!

I think, although the damaged mobo allowed me to still use my computer, it wrote a lot of errors to my c: that I don't know how to fix: I have

  • Base System Device errors - despite the supposed effected components working?
  • System.Deployment.Application.InvalidDeploymentException errors that won't accept driver updates
  • Aformentioned M.2 not being detected on any level
  • NVidia High Definition Audio will not install - the option to use sound from my TV has been removed from any media player because of this
  • Ironically, that dual boot I told you about, guess where my Windows 10 is?
There's other things, but they are offshoots of the above. I've spent most of last night and this morning googling and trying to find fixes but nothing is working, so it's getting pretty frustrating now.

As long as I can get my M.2 back, I think I'll just be grateful to have a fully working system again and nuke the software issues with a fresh OS install.
 
As long as I can get my M.2 back, I think I'll just be grateful to have a fully working system again and nuke the software issues with a fresh OS install.
That's what I would do.

A new Windows install is like putting on a pair of freshly cleaned socks still warm from the dryer. I tend to do it every year or so for both.
 
That's what I would do.

A new Windows install is like putting on a pair of freshly cleaned socks still warm from the dryer. I tend to do it every year or so for both.
Yeah, I know in my head that's what I should do, but I've got so much stuff (junk) I'm attached to, that's really a last resort for me.

I've got the innards of a secondary PC with the mobo and CPU I've just taken out, so I'll probably mirror the c: to a smaller drive before wiping it.

They stopped updating this mobo 3yrs ago, and Win 7 is also pretty much obsolete, so I know it's probably time to move on now. *sobs
 
I fell asleep at my PC last night. I could have sworn I did so whilst waiting for it to shut down, but I’m not entirely sure. Anyway, when I woke up about 30 minutes later, I noticed both my monitor standby lights were on warning (orange and red) rather than off or good to go blue, which immediately turned my attention to the case. Far too many lights were going off for it to have fully shut down, so my immediate reaction was to try and power it on, at which point, whatever malady had hit revealed itself.

Machine will not initialise at all and instead does a 2 second power cycle back to standby before trying to post again. It did this 5 times before I turned it off and looked like it would have cycled all night if I’d have left it. I shut the PC down at the PSU and left it for half hour before trying again: exact same thing happened again with the power cycle loops.

This was at 03:30 so I took myself off to bed and haven’t touched the machine since. I’ve not seen such a fault before; is this sounding like a PSU issue or the replacement motherboard I’ve just bought, or something else?

I find it odd that it looks like the machine is trying its best to draw the power to boot, but is suddenly getting cut off during the process. What can actually cause that? My first assumption is that the boards shorted and a diode or resistor has gone rogue: is that line of thinking way off course?

The machine has been running stable with zero power issues, blue screens or any kind of detectable pre-cursors that I could see, so I’m wondering how this has suddenly happened and I’m even more annoyed that I didn’t see the event in real time as that might have given me some clues.

Any input welcomed. I guess I’m in for another round of component stripping exasperation later. To think, I used to love fault finding and all this build/re-build jazz: all I want these days a functional PC I don’t have to touch outside of dust cleaning and component upgrades.
 
I fell asleep at my PC last night. I could have sworn I did so whilst waiting for it to shut down, but I’m not entirely sure. Anyway, when I woke up about 30 minutes later, I noticed both my monitor standby lights were on warning (orange and red) rather than off or good to go blue, which immediately turned my attention to the case. Far too many lights were going off for it to have fully shut down, so my immediate reaction was to try and power it on, at which point, whatever malady had hit revealed itself.

Machine will not initialise at all and instead does a 2 second power cycle back to standby before trying to post again. It did this 5 times before I turned it off and looked like it would have cycled all night if I’d have left it. I shut the PC down at the PSU and left it for half hour before trying again: exact same thing happened again with the power cycle loops.

This was at 03:30 so I took myself off to bed and haven’t touched the machine since. I’ve not seen such a fault before; is this sounding like a PSU issue or the replacement motherboard I’ve just bought, or something else?

I find it odd that it looks like the machine is trying its best to draw the power to boot, but is suddenly getting cut off during the process. What can actually cause that? My first assumption is that the boards shorted and a diode or resistor has gone rogue: is that line of thinking way off course?

The machine has been running stable with zero power issues, blue screens or any kind of detectable pre-cursors that I could see, so I’m wondering how this has suddenly happened and I’m even more annoyed that I didn’t see the event in real time as that might have given me some clues.

Any input welcomed. I guess I’m in for another round of component stripping exasperation later. To think, I used to love fault finding and all this build/re-build jazz: all I want these days a functional PC I don’t have to touch outside of dust cleaning and component upgrades.

Sorry can't help you more than this, but I've had that happen to me before and it was a bad stick of RAM in my case. I suspect it could be a load of different things though but if you have two sticks in there taking one out and powering on and vice versa might be worth a try and shouldn't take too long. From experience with building PC's for a while the only component that has ever given me grief is RAM.

Some of the more expensive motherboards also have some form of diagnostic lighting on them, might be worth checking your manual to see if that is the case with yours.

I don't build gaming PC's so I have no idea if it could be related to something like a power hungry GPU for example.
 
Sorry can't help you more than this, but I've had that happen to me before and it was a bad stick of RAM in my case. I suspect it could be a load of different things though but if you have two sticks in there taking one out and powering on and vice versa might be worth a try and shouldn't take too long. From experience with building PC's for a while the only component that has ever given me grief is RAM.

Some of the more expensive motherboards also have some form of diagnostic lighting on them, might be worth checking your manual to see if that is the case with yours.
RAM! It’s going to be a pain if it’s that as I’ll have to cycle through 8 sticks.

re. The diagnostic lighting. I am not sure the machine is on long enough to give a number, but I’ll be sure to check that today. Was too tired last night to even think.

Btw, do you know how/why the RAM prevented post? I would have thought the machine would boot to a warning screen or bios and let you know there’s an issue from there? I’ve never had a RAM fault, but am surprised to hear it can prevent the entire computer from even powering on.

thanks for your reply by the way, much appreciated.
 
I fell asleep at my PC last night. I could have sworn I did so whilst waiting for it to shut down, but I’m not entirely sure. Anyway, when I woke up about 30 minutes later, I noticed both my monitor standby lights were on warning (orange and red) rather than off or good to go blue, which immediately turned my attention to the case. Far too many lights were going off for it to have fully shut down, so my immediate reaction was to try and power it on, at which point, whatever malady had hit revealed itself.

Machine will not initialise at all and instead does a 2 second power cycle back to standby before trying to post again. It did this 5 times before I turned it off and looked like it would have cycled all night if I’d have left it. I shut the PC down at the PSU and left it for half hour before trying again: exact same thing happened again with the power cycle loops.

This was at 03:30 so I took myself off to bed and haven’t touched the machine since. I’ve not seen such a fault before; is this sounding like a PSU issue or the replacement motherboard I’ve just bought, or something else?

I find it odd that it looks like the machine is trying its best to draw the power to boot, but is suddenly getting cut off during the process. What can actually cause that? My first assumption is that the boards shorted and a diode or resistor has gone rogue: is that line of thinking way off course?

The machine has been running stable with zero power issues, blue screens or any kind of detectable pre-cursors that I could see, so I’m wondering how this has suddenly happened and I’m even more annoyed that I didn’t see the event in real time as that might have given me some clues.

Any input welcomed. I guess I’m in for another round of component stripping exasperation later. To think, I used to love fault finding and all this build/re-build jazz: all I want these days a functional PC I don’t have to touch outside of dust cleaning and component upgrades.
The problem is probably electrical. But diagnosing that can be messy and frustrating. Instead, my first step would be to reseat the RAM, GPU, CPU and motherboard power cable. Maybe also reset the BIOS.
 
The problem is probably electrical. But diagnosing that can be messy and frustrating. Instead, my first step would be to reseat the RAM, GPU, CPU and motherboard power cable. Maybe also reset the BIOS.
Cheers. Oh the dream right now would be for the computer to stay on long enough for it to even think about accessing the bios!
 
RAM! It’s going to be a pain if it’s that as I’ll have to cycle through 8 sticks.

re. The diagnostic lighting. I am not sure the machine is on long enough to give a number, but I’ll be sure to check that today. Was too tired last night to even think.

Btw, do you know how/why the RAM prevented post? I would have thought the machine would boot to a warning screen or bios and let you know there’s an issue from there? I’ve never had a RAM fault, but am surprised to hear it can prevent the entire computer from even powering on.

thanks for your reply by the way, much appreciated.

I had this problem recently, the problem was RAM (or more specifically one DIMM slot) and it refused to boot at all.
 
Cheers. Oh the dream right now would be for the computer to stay on long enough for it to even think about accessing the bios!
You should be able to reset it via the pins on your motherboard. Though that probably isn't the issue, to be fair.
 
You should be able to reset it via the pins on your motherboard. Though that probably isn't the issue, to be fair.
Going to get down to it around 6ish. I’m hoping it’s as easy as dead RAM stick or re-seating of components, but I have my doubts. These things tend to turn into multi-day/week headaches for me.
Sounds like your PC is completely borked @Fortitude . I'll take your RTX 3090 off you for scrap if you want.
To be fair, its organic life cycle is close to being over (most kit was bought 2015/‘16) and I knew that trying to prolong it might be inviting trouble, but I don’t want to commit to excruciating amounts of cash for a new build at the moment. I am hoping for a non-eventful couple of years before finally consigning this to sale or giving it to someone.


:lol: My gpu is probably better in your hands at the mo’ as it’s not getting used for anything currently even when the comp is up and running. My enthusiasm has crashed with lockdown etc. tbh and there’s barely any tech outside of my phone and iPad getting any use.
 
I fell asleep at my PC last night. I could have sworn I did so whilst waiting for it to shut down, but I’m not entirely sure. Anyway, when I woke up about 30 minutes later, I noticed both my monitor standby lights were on warning (orange and red) rather than off or good to go blue, which immediately turned my attention to the case. Far too many lights were going off for it to have fully shut down, so my immediate reaction was to try and power it on, at which point, whatever malady had hit revealed itself.

Machine will not initialise at all and instead does a 2 second power cycle back to standby before trying to post again. It did this 5 times before I turned it off and looked like it would have cycled all night if I’d have left it. I shut the PC down at the PSU and left it for half hour before trying again: exact same thing happened again with the power cycle loops.

This was at 03:30 so I took myself off to bed and haven’t touched the machine since. I’ve not seen such a fault before; is this sounding like a PSU issue or the replacement motherboard I’ve just bought, or something else?

I find it odd that it looks like the machine is trying its best to draw the power to boot, but is suddenly getting cut off during the process. What can actually cause that? My first assumption is that the boards shorted and a diode or resistor has gone rogue: is that line of thinking way off course?

The machine has been running stable with zero power issues, blue screens or any kind of detectable pre-cursors that I could see, so I’m wondering how this has suddenly happened and I’m even more annoyed that I didn’t see the event in real time as that might have given me some clues.

Any input welcomed. I guess I’m in for another round of component stripping exasperation later. To think, I used to love fault finding and all this build/re-build jazz: all I want these days a functional PC I don’t have to touch outside of dust cleaning and component upgrades.
So before you fell asleep everything was fine before you thought you turned it off for the night? Just trying to backtrack a bit. It was only after you woke up and the reboot process that you can't now get it back to even bios?
Like the others have said bad RAM can do that, or incorrectly seated RAM. Also the power connections to graphic card itself on both ends the connection to the GPU itself and the connection to the Powersupply.

I had an issue with mine earlier this year that turned out to be the cable management at the power supply end specifically for the graphics card was a bit too tight and it was pulling the Power supply end connection out over time causing intermittent reboots. Took awhile to diagnose that I did RAM checks etc. and finally got down to that level and could immediately notice the difference.
 
Is your motherboard not beeping? Also, do the fans on your GPU spin up at all when you switch on your PC?
 
So before you fell asleep everything was fine before you thought you turned it off for the night? Just trying to backtrack a bit. It was only after you woke up and the reboot process that you can't now get it back to even bios?
Like the others have said bad RAM can do that, or incorrectly seated RAM. Also the power connections to graphic card itself on both ends the connection to the GPU itself and the connection to the Powersupply.

I had an issue with mine earlier this year that turned out to be the cable management at the power supply end specifically for the graphics card was a bit too tight and it was pulling the Power supply end connection out over time causing intermittent reboots. Took awhile to diagnose that I did RAM checks etc. and finally got down to that level and could immediately notice the difference.
I was up way past the time I should have been asleep last night, and I had nodded off a couple of times before the lengthier sleep so I am hazy about what happened. I know for sure my intention was to shut everything down before I had the fuller sleep. I can say for certain I closed browsers and some programs, but after that, I'm guessing rather than assured I actually got to the shutdown screen. Sounds more like a boozy, inebriated night than a simple shutdown, I know.

The machine powers on for no more than two seconds, then turns itself back off before attempting again. I can't access anything. My monitors don't even acknowledge the power up - no change in colour status on either of them with regard to power status.

My GPU is massive and the power cord over to the EATX 8-PIN from the PSU has always been rather taught, but never an issue despite that.

I'll definitely look into this area, though, because it'd be a lie to say the cabling is not stressed due to the above.

Thanks for the suggestion. I really hope it's something so simply to address.
 
Is your motherboard not beeping? Also, do the fans on your GPU spin up at all when you switch on your PC?
No beeping at all, fans and everything else initialise for the split moment before it turns off again. It's like a shot of energy is thrust through and everything acts in accordance with that moment, LED's etc, and all.
 
No beeping at all, fans and everything else initialise for the split moment before it turns off again. It's like a shot of energy is thrust through and everything acts in accordance with that moment, LED's etc, and all.

Could be the new motherboard was not installed properly and is touching something it shouldn't? Did you fitted the risers before installing the new board?
 
Could be the new motherboard was not installed properly and is touching something it shouldn't? Did you fitted the risers before installing the new board?
It's a literal replacement for what was there - Rampage 5 Extreme, so I just unseated the old one and put this one straight in. I've had zero issues with it since placing it in the case; I would think if it were touching, there'd have been intermittent issues?
 
It's a literal replacement for what was there - Rampage 5 Extreme, so I just unseated the old one and put this one straight in. I've had zero issues with it since placing it in the case; I would think if it were touching, there'd have been intermittent issues?

Does it boot without the GPU?

I think the PSU might have just died. 90% of similar situations are result of a faulty PSU.

Ram and other components don't usually randomly dies. PSU and GPU are the most propense to randomly die.

I'm leaning towards the PSU.
 
Does it boot without the GPU?

I think the PSU might have just died. 90% of similar situations are result of a faulty PSU.

Ram and other components don't usually randomly dies. PSU and GPU are the most propense to randomly die.

I'm leaning towards the PSU.
Will be checking everything in a couple of hours, well, after dinner.

PSU is 8yrs old (Corsair hx1000w modular), so if that’s gone it’d be a relief, as it’s around by the ‘time’ it should.
 
So far:

Removed GPU: fault remains
Removed all RAM: fault remains
Reseated cabling: fault remains

I don't have a spare PSU to test, so can't do that today.

All that's feasibly left is CPU and motherboard?

Machine cycles inside 2 seconds and the mobo is given no time to process and produce the fault.
 
So far:

Removed GPU: fault remains
Removed all RAM: fault remains
Reseated cabling: fault remains

I don't have a spare PSU to test, so can't do that today.

All that's feasibly left is CPU and motherboard?

Machine cycles inside 2 seconds and the mobo is given no time to process and produce the fault.

This feels like an unlucky MB / CPU combination for you!

It could be worth a reflash of the BIOS in case something weird has happened to the settings. I think that's your last option outside of trying somebody else's motherboard with your CPU. Depending on the MB you can often flash it from a designated USB slot (even without a CPU installed). It might be worth a Google to find out if that's an option on yours. A lot of modern motherboards do allow that.
 
This feels like an unlucky MB / CPU combination for you!

It could be worth a reflash of the BIOS in case something weird has happened to the settings. I think that's your last option outside of trying somebody else's motherboard with your CPU. Depending on the MB you can often flash it from a designated USB slot (even without a CPU installed). It might be worth a Google to find out if that's an option on yours. A lot of modern motherboards do allow that.
Tbh, if the mobo is already showing faults, I'm sending it back as that does not bode well for the future.

I'm going to put my old mobo in and see if it posts.
 
Hey all,

want to thank you for the input yesterday. It was all very anti-climatic in the end, beings as the new replacement mobo I bought has decided to sign off, so the fault finding lasted all of a few minutes.

It's practically impossible to buy Rampage V's brand new these days, and for the price, I don't think I would attempt to do so again, so I'll be looking for a second-hand one that, when it dies, I'll call time on this PC and begin a whole new build as I feel these problems, with such generally old hardware, are more inevitable than ever and with no store warranty's, a crapshoot on how much mileage I could get out of any replacement components I put in.

I've migrated to my laptop for now, and wanted to ask a question about that. I've got a lot less USB ports to play with for now and wondered if PC's/Laptops accept external USB splitters? Would I be able to run more than one hardware device off of a single port if ran through the aforementioned or is there no workaround, which would mean me having to switch devices at the port until I'm back on PC?

Cheers.
 
Hey all,

want to thank you for the input yesterday. It was all very anti-climatic in the end, beings as the new replacement mobo I bought has decided to sign off, so the fault finding lasted all of a few minutes.

It's practically impossible to buy Rampage V's brand new these days, and for the price, I don't think I would attempt to do so again, so I'll be looking for a second-hand one that, when it dies, I'll call time on this PC and begin a whole new build as I feel these problems, with such generally old hardware, are more inevitable than ever and with no store warranty's, a crapshoot on how much mileage I could get out of any replacement components I put in.

I've migrated to my laptop for now, and wanted to ask a question about that. I've got a lot less USB ports to play with for now and wondered if PC's/Laptops accept external USB splitters? Would I be able to run more than one hardware device off of a single port if ran through the aforementioned or is there no workaround, which would mean me having to switch devices at the port until I'm back on PC?

Cheers.
You can use splitters.

Depending on the power draw and how cheap the splitter is sometimes they struggle and the powered ones become necessary.
 
You can use splitters.

Depending on the power draw and how cheap the splitter is sometimes they struggle and the powered ones become necessary.
Ah, excellent. I've just plugged one in and it works, or at least, is working. Making the laptop an eyesore, but at least I've migrated a decent amount of kit from the PC.

Cheers.
 
Speaking of power, I have to replace my PSU as I'm realising that it's not able to fully power my 3070 adequately. In recent days, I've had frequent moments where my displays would turn off whilst my computer runs. My next PSU will be arriving next week, but I wonder if I should worry about my other parts being potentially damaged by this PSU, especially during the black-screen moments.
 
Speaking of power, I have to replace my PSU as I'm realising that it's not able to fully power my 3070 adequately. In recent days, I've had frequent moments where my displays would turn off whilst my computer runs. My next PSU will be arriving next week, but I wonder if I should worry about my other parts being potentially damaged by this PSU, especially during the black-screen moments.
If it's only your display switching off, are you sure the problem isn't with you monitor's power brick?

If it was your PSU under-delivering on power, I'd expect the entire PC to turn off at the same time.
 
If it's only your display switching off, are you sure the problem isn't with you monitor's power brick?

If it was your PSU under-delivering on power, I'd expect the entire PC to turn off at the same time.
I have 3 monitors in my setup (one 27" 1440p 144Hz, one 24" 1080p 144Hz, one 24" 1080p 60Hz), and all three displays get cut off at the exact same time. This also happens after I unplug one of my three displays. Interestingly, the peripherals, motherboard, and the GPU all continue to run, and I can even hear the sounds coming from the streams/games that I watch/play. When I press the power button on my PC, it shuts down properly.

I would typically face this issue when my GPU's power usage goes towards 275W and above.
 
I have 3 monitors in my setup (one 27" 1440p 144Hz, one 24" 1080p 144Hz, one 24" 1080p 60Hz), and all three displays get cut off at the exact same time. This also happens after I unplug one of my three displays. Interestingly, the peripherals, motherboard, and the GPU all continue to run, and I can even hear the sounds coming from the streams/games that I watch/play. When I press the power button on my PC, it shuts down properly.

I would typically face this issue when my GPU's power usage goes towards 275W and above.
Have you checked all related software like drivers and stuff? I had an issue where my screen would flicker at times, turned out it was some automatic performance enhancement software that came with my Asus RoG motherboard. Turned that off, all was well.