He fits as that final piece of a puzzle for Klopp whose been looking to fill that attacking midfield position for a long time. Tried it with Lallana and Ox, even briefly with Shaqiri but Bruno is probably on a next level if you go by just stats. Scousers might be finally getting their Countinho replacement. Even though I believe he's a great fit for Liverpool, I somehow cannot convince myself that he's a great fit for us.
Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability
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It makes "no sense" if you look at it from a naive position. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it from the perspective of the other stakeholders:
Player sought after: I should hold out for the best deal since I have other options.
Player's agent: You should hold out since we have these other offers and we'll be ready for any club on deadline day if it comes down to this. Don't worry about starting anything until July - just enjoy your holidays.
MUFC backoffice: What's your actual cut-off Ole? "I want them training with us on 1st July." Well we'll try for that, but we don't have much control since the close of the transfer window isn't until later and the agents know that. Managers always pick the most competitive targets, why can't we just promote from the academy and save me the run around every summer. Yeah, we'll be on holidays and have to finish some things for the tour. [not a full accounting of everything going on lol]
They do when you don't have any leverage. These players have other options since we are not league winners and have an air of incompetence about us in recent years. People in large companies deal with these "influencing without authority" situations all the time - you just never control the timeline.
There is zero evidence that multiple players are not being worked on at any point in the year, not just the closed season. These deals don't just appear out of thin air. We are rightfully not entitled to the inside of those negotiations.
There are negotiations going on all around each of us every day that we are not privy to. Many of these amount to nothing. I've had multiple informal talks with other managers at work over my career about switching to their team and we've decided not do anything. No one lets on the conversation is happening and it's forgotten about afterwards. This is happening over and over again at Manchester United's management and agents talk with established players and even the parents of young prospects.
The closest I've come to knowing anyone making even a step towards joining the club was when an acquaintance's child was scouted. Obviously the club want you to be able to share your pride and announce Wee Johnny got a trial, but the discussions leading up to this were kept hush-hush. If Wee Johnny's dad happened to be a scouse fan who was happy to sabotage his kids future (a Liverpool supporting Dad seems like pretty good life sabotage!) and decline the trial, then the club don't have embarrassment or some stupid news story because there is no record of the conversation (plausible deniability.)
The press are there to make a good story and their rumours are not real evidence. They hear bits and pieces, but rarely do they get the full story, so they have to construct a narrative. People are so used to the narrative that they buy into it, and it's entertaining. I find summer transfer season kind of fun because I learn about new players since we get connected with everyone, there are humourous debates here etc. but I never consider it reality. Transfers are complex just like life is not a good read for many football fans who only want some headlines to banter about.
Now let's get this one wrapped up and maybe Ndombele
It’s incredible how thick our fans seem to think Woodward and co is. You might not like him but he’s not some kind of buffoon.
Do we have actual evidence for the first assertion on work rate? My understanding his numbers are very competitive.
I won't argue against positioning because I've had so many facepalm moments since he rejoined because someone else should have been picking up the ball instead of him, or he was picking up the ball facing in the direction of our goal.
Spurs bound
We can have a bunch of stuff in the pipeline - easy. The work style may be that we want to get one deal closed off at a time. It has nothing to do with being thick, no need to talk in another tense. You can direct it to me instead of trying to showcase it.
Thomas Partey or Lo Celso please.
More like this and Longstaff.
Ndombele to spurs for 65 million.
We are meeting with agent of Fernandes.
We are meeting with agent of Fernandes.
Well that confirms it then...
This.
Klopp has been looking for a player like him. They would be even more dangerous with Firminho as false 9 with Mane, Salah and (hopefully not) Fernandes as their goalscoring mid.
IMO Ole would try to sign Maddison, but I can't see how we can fit him in a midfield of 3 with Pogba.
Yeah, that's not gonna convince me too much
Still think Delph was worse - that must rank high on biggest betrayals in footballs
What happened with Delph?
And whats that based on exactly? Why would any club only work on one transfer at a time? That would be incredibly unproductive and would leave the door open for other clubs to pick up our targets.
I was quite confident we would get him, but I’m not so sure any more unless the price comes down quite a bit. May mean someone else swoops in and just pays what we won’t.
Did this speech about loyalty in football by turning down City to stay at Villa, about a week later he decided to join City anyway
EDIT: actually was longer than a week, the interview in question:
wan bissaka is done. I don't think about money so we should be quick with this transfer, we need fresh quality and young player for this position as soon as possible. I can't see that pogba is going to leave so bruno and pogba could be great for our center.
How can he understand the commercial value of a footballer if he does not understand the footballer? He may get basics like age, position, wages but to understand the value of a player to a football club he would need to understand a lot more than CEO value and balance sheet figures.
He should not be running the football side of things period. Even if you thought he should have had a go 6 years ago surely the actual experience (and failure) in the role would tell you the bleeding obvious.
Has there been a strong and reliable link to fernandes yet?
I would love to see a midfield 3 of Partey holding and Pogba and Bruno in front of them. For 50m euros Thomas is a steal imo and he reminds me of Essien who was another player I absolutely loved.
Talks being held with agent today.
I think with Mata and Pereira (as it seems) staying at the club, Fernandes will not be the type of midfielder we are or should be looking at. Rather an Ndombele-type for me. If Pereira does leave (which I hope): Fernandes and Ndombele in would make more sense
Did this speech about loyalty in football by turning down City to stay at Villa, about a week later he decided to join City anyway
EDIT: actually was longer than a week, the interview in question:
The fun-part was that there were so many pundits using Delph as proof that loyalty still existed in football
Ndombele in at Spurs. Mate, 65 million.
Haven't seen much of him but his goal return was great last season so I do think he would be good. I wouldn't be all that dissapointed if we didn't sign him though, for whatever reason.
I have not seen any official confirmation of that. Levy investing 65m in a player would be something, I would say that though.
SSN. saying it all day.They broke transfer record. Turn it on and see.
I trust Sky as much as the Sun or the Mail tbh. Not saying its not going to happen but so far the only one I have seen confirmed for Spurs is some 18-year old Leeds-kid. We will see I guess.
He has been shown around the training ground by Poch apparently, unless something drastic like Madrid coming in at the last minute it looks likely he’ll be a Spurs player next season.
Sky and the Sun has the same owner, no?
Didnt Walt Disney buy Sky from under Murdochs nose? Ah, does not matter, OT.
L'Equipe are reporting that he wants to join but has not agreed personal terms and the clubs are not in agreement over the fee. Aulus wants 80 million and Levy is offering 65 plus some add ons and haggling continues. They are estimating the deal getting done within the next 10 days but it does open the door for someone else to jump in if they want to meet the asking price.
What’s the source?
Did this speech about loyalty in football by turning down City to stay at Villa, about a week later he decided to join City anyway
EDIT: actually was longer than a week, the interview in question:
Yep that one wins. What a CnutA few dodgy websites.
I guess this lad is a very good player, even though slightly overrated a bit. Personally I think we are missing a trick not going for Donny van de Beek, who would also be cheaper.
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