Bruno-Eriksen

is Casemiro enough to be able to support both Eriksen and Bruno together? hopefully so, it's good to have them both in the team, but we can't keep being overrun in midfield as much as Arsenal managed.
Eriksen is this team's Scholes and praise doesn't come higher. What a player he is. I didn't fully realise until now.

It's the speed that partnerships are forming that gets me. You have varane-martinez, Eriksen-Bruno. Just need to see some of the same on the wings now.
 
My point was that we can't rely on having luck with the refereeing. On another day, the VAR ref doesn't see it worth calling.
The fact that foul wasnt seen by the ref but by the VAR doesn't mean we relied on luck with refereeing. It's a strange logic honestly.
 
There are people against this from nothing other than an ideological perspective. At the end of the day the likes of City and Barcelona have been fielding midfields like this for ages.

Casemiro will bed in nicely at the base of midfield and, in most matches, Eriksen and Bruno will work together well. They both work hard and they both cover ground. At times, Bruno will drift wide and we’ll pack the midfield with one of McTominay and Fred, but this suggestion from some that Eriksen and Bruno in tandem is a no-go is something Ten Hag clearly doesn’t believe.

Is it really any different to Scholes in midfield and Rooney at #10? I don’t recall that being much of an issue back in the day.

People here still get petrified of a "lack of physicality" in the middle of the park but we aren't fecking Stoke City. Like you said, technique > physical attributes all day when it comes to midfielders in a well oiled side as long as every player is putting in the appropriate defensive effort off of the ball. Eriksen to his credit has run as much as anyone in the team, which is why the midfield has worked so far.

People also need to realize that part of why it looks as though we are "losing the midfield battle" during games is because we lack a striker and keeper that can retain possession on either end of the pitch. DDG tends to boot it long, and Rashford as everyone knows isn't much of a striker and damn sure isn't a "hold up play" type. When you are ceding possession often when the ball comes into either of those two under pressure, then you won't be able to dominate the ball throughout games against top sides and you're forced to become more transition oriented (which is fine, but it's why some think we are playing Ole ball when we clearly aren't).
 
When player should have shot but didnt its a half chance at most. Only true chances they had is Martinelli header and his shot from a dead angle which De Gea saved with his foot.

If you choose to define it that way, cool. I would just point out though that, by this logic, if the ball rolls slowly across to a player totally unmarked 3 yards in front of an empty goal, but they trip over their own feet instead of getting a shot off, it would only count it as a half chance. Personally I would judge how good a chance is based on the quality of the opportunity in the first place, not what the player did with it.
 
Saliba chance 0.2 xG
Odegaard chance 0.3 xG
Saka 4 chances 0.4 xG
Martinelli chance 0.1 xG

Overall
1.8 - 1.3 in Utd's favour according to fbref.
1.47 - 1.52 in Arsenal's favour accoring to xG Philosophy.
How is Odegaard chance only 0.3 xG and Saka's only 0.4 xG. I woul've have thought open net chances would've been over 0.5 xG at least.
 
If you choose to define it that way, cool. I would just point out though that, by this logic, if the ball rolls slowly across to a player totally unmarked 3 yards in front of an empty goal, but they trip over their own feet instead of getting a shot off, it would only count it as a half chance. Personally I would judge how good a chance is based on the quality of the opportunity in the first place, not what the player did with it.
Well we'll have to disagree with that one.
 
I prefer it to Fernandes-Pogba but we’re going to struggle against teams who park the bus. No control.
 
Saliba chance 0.2 xG
Odegaard chance 0.3 xG
Saka 4 chances 0.4 xG
Martinelli chance 0.1 xG

Overall
1.8 - 1.3 in Utd's favour according to fbref.
1.47 - 1.52 in Arsenal's favour accoring to xG Philosophy.

How the funk is xG Philosophy giving 1.47?

Antony was a 1 on 1, Rashford a 1 on 1, Rashford second a 2 on 1.
That’s ignoring the Bruno one on one also.

fecking bizarre.
 
How is Odegaard chance only 0.3 xG and Saka's only 0.4 xG. I woul've have thought open net chances would've been over 0.5 xG at least.
xG models aren't perfect since there will always be variables that can't be accounted for. But in general the reality is that what we consider "good chances" get missed more often than we think. You would think something like penalties has a very high xG but they are only worth 0.75 in most models.

How the funk is xG Philosophy giving 1.47?

Antony was a 1 on 1, Rashford a 1 on 1, Rashford second a 2 on 1.
That’s ignoring the Bruno one on one also.

fecking bizarre.
This is only my personal speculation but,

Antony had an xG of 0.3 from his one chance. My guess is Ramsdale made it look easier than it was by diving to the right against a left footer.

Rashford had an xG of 0.8 combined from his two chances.
Since Bruno the assister only has an xA of 0.2, it means his first chance was quite difficult with a maximum xG of 0.2
His second chance therefore would've been around 0.6 xG. I thought it would be higher because he's shooting into an open goal but it must have something to do with the fact that he only had a split second to get the shot off before the defender was onto him.

Bruno's chance was 0.3 xG. I think this one is fair.

https://fbref.com/en/matches/61ddafa5/Manchester-United-Arsenal-September-4-2022-Premier-League
 
I’m pretty confident that by the end of the season ETH comes to his senses to figure out that our most balanced midfield is Caseimiro- Fred - Eriksen. Bruno is an attacking player and not a midfielder.
 
Casemiro can be the one man DM to prevent them being outmuscled by teams trying to play like thugs. If thats not enough then just play 4 of them together. Eriksen, Fred/Scott, Casemiro in midfield and move Bruno higher up either as AM or false 9.
 
They combined well but I still don't think they should both play together, within a midfield 3... At least in the 'bigger games' - too easily outrun/dominated and we'll struggle to control games.

Look at the difference as soon as Fred came on, more legs, pressing intensity and they couldn't pass through us as easily. Made even more solid with Casemiro sitting.

If they're both going to play, in big games anyway, I think we need to sacrifice a winger and set up similar to the last 15 minutes yesterday... Bruno playing wide and then a midfield of Casemiro, Eriksen & one of Mctominay/Fred.
100% this, I would be very surprised if our coaching staff can’t see this. I guess ETH is just sticking for now to what gets the points on the board even if it’s a gamble to play the way we do.
 
Martinelli is a simple save , come on now. Saliba isn't a clear chance either. Defender trying a left footed show - would love to know the xG for that.

So not exactly "lot" of chances as OP said? 2 -3 chances , the whole game?

Simple save, or header not quite good enough? Saliba I agree on, we got a lot of bodies in the way, although he could have gone for the far post. The Odegard chance was nailed on though, he completely shanked it. Saka maybe a half chance, due to the angle.

So yeah, with that and the (correctly) disallowed goal, at least three.
 
I’m pretty confident that by the end of the season ETH comes to his senses to figure out that our most balanced midfield is Caseimiro- Fred - Eriksen. Bruno is an attacking player and not a midfielder.
'come to his senses' :lol: I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing better than you do, mate! I'm sure you didn't mean that disparagingly but it comes across that way. We've just beaten Liverpool and Arsenal, have 4 wins on the bounce and the Bruno - Eriksen tandem in particular has been integral throughout (as well as McTominay, though you'd expect £55m man Casemiro to come in at some point). It's just odd that you are so confident you know what our best midfield set up is despite ten Hag's current one working so well.
 
is Casemiro enough to be able to support both Eriksen and Bruno together? hopefully so, it's good to have them both in the team, but we can't keep being overrun in midfield as much as Arsenal managed.
To be fair, Arsenal overun a lot of teams in midfield, they tend to try and work the ball through midfield and slip little passes into Martinelli, Saka and Jesus inside the box, I thought we played them quite well. Eriksen and McTominay for the main part covered well around our box, and Bruno pressed well.
They did create several very good chances, which I would have expected them to, but I believe they only had three on target.
It's always been the same for Arsenal, style wise their football is fantastic, but they just don't seem to be able to score those goals that their play possibly deserves, but putting the ball in the back of the net is what it's all about, eg Chelsea last night.
 
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I’m pretty confident that by the end of the season ETH comes to his senses to figure out that our most balanced midfield is Caseimiro- Fred - Eriksen. Bruno is an attacking player and not a midfielder.
Looks like ETH wants to go through a painful learning curve.
 
Today isn't the day to make any big statements about what does and doesn't work in the main.

I doubt even if we'd put a block of Fred, McTom and Casemiro in there we'd have got much of a better result.