I remember there was another hyped up young Portugese player couple of years ago, Fabio Paim or something. Where is he now?
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He's in Qatar. Chelsea once had him on loan for a spell. He's been at about 15 different clubs.
Paim was hyped up basically due to FM/CM. Chelsea taking him on loan probably helped that hype too.
To be fair there is every reason to believe Fábio Paim was an extremely talented player. It's a kind of Ravel Morrison situation gone really bad.
There is a Portuguese documentary about him (also on youtube, but only in Portuguese) that goes into detail into his situation. He's probably given to young kids as an example of how things can go the wrong way if you don't add discipline and commitment to your talent.
Stories buying BMW's and such with his first salary, driving it to the academy in provocative fashion whilst still two years younger than minimum driving age, with the car full of problematic young friends.
He actually comes across in that documentary as very aware of why his dreams didn't materialize and very honest. No attempts to shift the blame anywhere, just a young man that knows he missed on a big life because he didn't work hard enough and prioritized the wrong things at the wrong time.
Now he does what he can to survive, he's been everywhere, and playing for peanuts. Hopefully he is making some money in Qatar.
I really think it's a well documented case that can be awesome for young kids in the footballing world about what not to do.
I don't know him because I never followed youth football, but there seems to be a very strong consensus among informed football fans around here that he was one of the most talented players of his generation, so I reckon the hype was justified. This being the case far before his Chelsea loan spell, which I think already came when he was in his downward spiral.
There is a Portuguese documentary about him (also on youtube, but only in Portuguese) that goes into detail into his situation. He's probably given to young kids as an example of how things can go the wrong way if you don't add discipline and commitment to your talent.
Stories buying BMW's and such with his first salary, driving it to the academy in provocative fashion whilst still two years younger than minimum driving age, with the car full of problematic young friends.
He actually comes across in that documentary as very aware of why his dreams didn't materialize and very honest. No attempts to shift the blame anywhere, just a young man that knows he missed on a big life because he didn't work hard enough and prioritized the wrong things at the wrong time.
Now he does what he can to survive, he's been everywhere, and playing for peanuts. Hopefully he is making some money in Qatar.
I really think it's a well documented case that can be awesome for young kids in the footballing world about what not to do.
I don't know him because I never followed youth football, but there seems to be a very strong consensus among informed football fans around here that he was one of the most talented players of his generation, so I reckon the hype was justified. This being the case far before his Chelsea loan spell, which I think already came when he was in his downward spiral.
He's probably not doing too badly in Qatar. I am friends with Quincy Owusu-Abeiye and I remember he was getting paid close to £70,000 a week to play out there for a while (or so I was told anyway).
Well, Quincy Owusu-Abeiye is an international footballer with some experience in decent teams in top-flight leagues, and played in one of Qatar's best clubs.
I'll watch the documentary again when I have time, to be sure my memory isn't playing tricks on me, but I have an idea that not too long ago Fábio Paim was playing (or just training?) for free in a second or third division Portuguese team, so it's a completely different situation. He never really played at the highest level. Also, he joined a much smaller club in Qatar, one I'm not even sure is in the top division right now.
Probably better than washing toilets or the like, or else he wouldn't go there, but I doubt the money he's making is anywhere close what the average European footballer earns there.
I'll watch the documentary again when I have time, to be sure my memory isn't playing tricks on me, but I have an idea that not too long ago Fábio Paim was playing (or just training?) for free in a second or third division Portuguese team, so it's a completely different situation. He never really played at the highest level. Also, he joined a much smaller club in Qatar, one I'm not even sure is in the top division right now.
Probably better than washing toilets or the like, or else he wouldn't go there, but I doubt the money he's making is anywhere close what the average European footballer earns there.
New Bruma: Manchester United aim to beat City and Liverpool to Sporting Lisbon teen
23 Apr 2013 22:30
New Premier League champions counting on relationship with club that previously sold them Cristiano Ronaldo and Nani to seal the deal
Sir Alex Ferguson is trying to steal a march on Manchester City and Liverpool and snap up Sporting Lisbon teenager Bruma.
Manchester United boss Ferguson has had glowing reports on the 18-year-old forward - whose full name is Armindo Tue Na Bangna - and is now considering making a cut-price £3million offer.
City, Liverpool and Bayern Munich have all been scouting Bruma, but new Premier League champions United believe their strong connections with the Portuguese club, who previously sold them Cristiano Ronaldo and Nani, will help their chances.
Sporting Lisbon are likely to have to sell some of their biggest assets and promising youngsters after running into financial problems.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz2RM1MpbTE
23 Apr 2013 22:30
New Premier League champions counting on relationship with club that previously sold them Cristiano Ronaldo and Nani to seal the deal
Sir Alex Ferguson is trying to steal a march on Manchester City and Liverpool and snap up Sporting Lisbon teenager Bruma.
Manchester United boss Ferguson has had glowing reports on the 18-year-old forward - whose full name is Armindo Tue Na Bangna - and is now considering making a cut-price £3million offer.
City, Liverpool and Bayern Munich have all been scouting Bruma, but new Premier League champions United believe their strong connections with the Portuguese club, who previously sold them Cristiano Ronaldo and Nani, will help their chances.
Sporting Lisbon are likely to have to sell some of their biggest assets and promising youngsters after running into financial problems.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz2RM1MpbTE
He looks like the middle ground between Anderson and Nani.
So fat and with an evil head?
Not the 17.6 million Arruda was crying about 2 years back?
Has anyone watched this kid at the U20's?
Has scored 5 in 3 games.
Has scored 5 in 3 games.
Yeah he's having a great tournament and has a few assists aswell. The youngest member of the Portugal team and yet the one they look to all the time says a lot about how good he is
sign him.
He's so good, they are now calling Ronaldo 'The Old Bruma'.
I hope Sporting gets him to renew his contract and profit something with an inevitable sale. I'm not really sure what happened but they're on the verge of losing an academy player with tremendous potential and not making a single euro with him.
Last night there was an attempted kidnap of Bruma by Juve Leo (Sporting fans) at the hotel where he lives. We have registered a complaint (with the police), and we have been informed it was done at the behest of Sporting’s management.
Apparently Sporting fans tried to kidnap him. This could lead to a cancellation of his contract at Sporting due to the severity of the act by the fans. Ridiculous.
Apparently Sporting fans tried to kidnap him. This could lead to a cancellation of his contract at Sporting due to the severity of the act by the fans. Ridiculous.
feck me. Any sympathy I had for Sporting's plight has just gone out the window. Sign him up Moyesey.
Wow, that's creepy. He's likely to be off to Porto, isnt it?
Haha we should have done the same with Ronaldo!
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Sign him. Sign anyone.
Bruma's agent seems like a crook of the highest order. He's full of contradictions. Keeps saying that Bruma is a free player and that is contract is not valid. He's been saying it for weeks. Trying to use it as a leverage to get a better renewal than what the kid is worth. At the same time keeps saying there have been offers from Chelsea and Galatasaray. Why are they making offers if he's a free player? He doesn't allow Bruma to negotiate with the club and the club doesn't want to negotiate with him. Being that Bruma (from the few times I've seen him talk) seems to have an IQ of 70 it's somewhat hard to know if the agent is taking advantage of Bruma or if Sporting is trying to take advantage of Bruma.
I don't think anyone tried to kidnap him. All points to some more idiotic fans trying to approach him and "convince" him to go and talk to the president. They certainly wouldn't be acting in behalf of Sporting's best interests, just some Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime trying to scare him out of their own will. Didn't you lot had a similar problem when Rooney was renewing, with some shady characters around his house.
I don't think anyone tried to kidnap him. All points to some more idiotic fans trying to approach him and "convince" him to go and talk to the president. They certainly wouldn't be acting in behalf of Sporting's best interests, just some Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime trying to scare him out of their own will. Didn't you lot had a similar problem when Rooney was renewing, with some shady characters around his house.
Oh that? Nahhhhhh man, that was just pizza & Chinese take-away delivery guys being over-worked from all the orders Rooney was putting in at that time... Poor feckers!
We had some fans burning stuff outside his house if I recall correctly. Obviously it wasnt extreme enough because Rooney has done it again
I never liked this kind of thing. A player like him should at least be allowed to sign with the club that 'raised' him and allow the fans to experience the quality of the player. This kind of tapping up really does seem a bit 'wrong'
Chelsea sniffing around apparently. Agents should be banned from representing players until the age of 21 imo
hang on isnt bebe the next ronaldo
yes because if at 21 you don't consider yourself experienced enough in matters such as sponsorship and endorsement deals, negotiating an employment contract quite possibly in a foreign language, organising a move abroad with such things as housing schooling of children and ensuring your money is invested in a tax efficient way that suits your personal needs you should get an agent... but fek 20 year olds and younger let their clubs rip em off????
Haven´t been following his career at Galatasaray but he was highly rated here at Sporting. I suppose he didn´t have the best season since he got seriously injured there but the previous lack of playing time won´t help his evolution. I´m not surprised Mónaco is after him since Leonardo Jardim knows him well. Don´t know if Bruma will make it though. One of the best talents coming out of our academy, very technical, skilled and pacy winger but his mentality is very poor. Having crooks as agents (who live at his expenses) doesn´t help either. It was a shame he wanted to leave. In the few games he played for our main team, he was very good and you could see that he is very talented. But now we are back in the Champions League and have Nani, so i don´t really care about Bruma.
Drama much? PFA appointed reps can do it
but could they do it as well?
Would a young footballer earning thousands of pounds a week use a court appointed lawyer to defend them or would they hire top legal counsel - given how many have gotten into legal scrapes over the years it would seem the latter.
If I had somebody negotiating a deal potentially worth millions that would involve me potentially moving and up routing my life and family I would want it to be the best person possible - and somebody I picked.
My point was nothing to do with the young players ability to be responsible or not. It was to keep agents away from them until a certain age. Too many young players make the big move too early and it rarely works out.
Agreed. I don´t doubt that some agents do a meritorious work but the vast majority is absolute scum. In this specific case, both Bruma agents decieved him, claiming his contract with Sporting was invalid and influenciated him to go for the money rather than taking the sensible choice of evolving in a safe enviroment.
The courts, the league and the federation ended up deciding in favour of Sporting but the trust between the player and the club was gone. Our President ended up selling him for 10 millions plus objectives and our financial interests were secured. What happened to Bruma´s career wasn´t what the player expected and it was thanks to his greedy agents. Financially Bruma got pay with a big signing bonus and a decent wage and the agents who contributed with nothing to his career (he was sleeping at our academy and under strict guidance from our world class academy coaches) also got a good percentage of the deal. In football terms Bruma rarely played under Mancini, failed to settle at Turkey and got a serious injury preventing him from his main objective of settling at our national team and going to the Brazil WC.
It´s all speculative but i have no doubt, if he stayed at Sporting (barring injury) he would be better off. We had a very good stable team last year, who finished second and achieved Champions League qualification. If we compare with another player with good potencial (Carvalho), we can see how it was good for him to stay at Sporting instead of forcing a move like Bruma. Now Carvalho is playing in the Champions League, went to the Brazil World Cup, is a highly rated player and is attracting interest from better and bigger clubs than Galatasaray. Of course Bruma is earning more than Carvalho at the moment but i sincerily doubt it will be for long. Like our Academy head scout Aurélio Pereira usually says to youth rank players, "patience is a virtue and if you work hard and stay humble, good things will happen".
Didnt his agent also take two of his clients Cassama and Sambu who were very highly rated in the Sporting academy and move them to Porto's academy out of spite after the Bruma deal.
There are two versions. The one you just mentioned and the one by our President saying that we weren´t interested in renewing their contracts because of their demands and the fact that they were represented by those crooks. We are currently trying to erradicate Cátio Baldé´s influence on our youth ranks and i believe there´s just one or two guinean players left. We have plenty of players as good or if not better than those two, it was no loss.
ah right thanks for the info. They both seem to be highly rated with Cassama captaining Portugal under 17s and Sambu playing a year above his age group with Portugal last season so you must have some very good players coming through if thats the case.
I´m saying they were no loss at the moment. If they end up having careers like Ronaldo or Figo of course it´s a loss. But since they are very young (and represented by those crooks) there´s also a possibility they end up a failure like Paím. Also Porto isn´t exactly known for giving chances to youth players, so it will be harder for them to reach the main team. We have plenty of other african, brazilian and portuguese talents in our academy.
Good to hear hopefully you'll have a bright future then. Ive always had a soft spot for Sporting since I first saw Quaresma and then Ronaldo playing for them