pascell
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Why are we struggling though, in your view? If it's not that the managers not good enough, what is it?Yes it's a crazy world of toddlers having strops because Liverpool are on top and we are struggling.
Why are we struggling though, in your view? If it's not that the managers not good enough, what is it?Yes it's a crazy world of toddlers having strops because Liverpool are on top and we are struggling.
You really think that's the only problem?Why are we struggling though, in your view? If it's not that the managers not good enough, what is it?
So much talk here, are there any links to him?
Absolutely not but a hefty contribution to the overall problem.You really think that's the only problem?
If we had Leicester's players, we'd all be up in arms about how much lack of quality there is within the squad. It just shows how important a good manager/coach is.
I remember a few Leicester fans saying on here that we bought the worse defender of their CB pair and that Evans was better, and they got mocked on here and called WUMs.They sold Maguire for 80 and don't look affected at all, maybe look even better. Credits to Rodgers for that.
This. We should all praise Ole for keeping us clear of relegation.United without De Gea and Pogba is just relegation quality. Would prefer Leicester squad.
He has no loyality Liverpool. They treated him like crap. He own them nothing.
Maguire’s an excellent centre back. He’s just in come into a team in the dumps. He’s been one of the better onesI remember a few Leicester fans saying on here that we bought the worse defender of their CB pair and that Evans was better, and they got mocked on here and called WUMs.
Doesn't look like they were WUMing.
Genuine question, if we sacked Solskjaer and replaced him with Rodgers, would we be in the top four at the end of the season with our squad? I can see why people want Solskjaer out, but I do worry if we get a new manager in and don’t change the set up he has to work with we won’t be massively better off.Okay. I think what we can both agree on is that Leicester should be ashamed. Sacking Puel without giving him at least 3 years is a disgrace and will absolutely have a negative long term impact.
I remember a few Leicester fans saying on here that we bought the worse defender of their CB pair and that Evans was better, and they got mocked on here and called WUMs.
Doesn't look like they were WUMing.
He wouldn’t get top 4 now since we are 10 points off it but if Rodgers was here and Ole there we would finish ahead of them and if had a whole season I think we’d squeeze top 4Genuine question, if we sacked Solskjaer and replaced him with Rodgers, would we be in the top four at the end of the season with our squad? I can see why people want Solskjaer out, but I do worry if we get a new manager in and don’t change the set up he has to work with we won’t be massively better off.
I think we are in a situation where Ole simply cannot continue anymore unless our target is top half of the table. We are 11 games in and 10 points off TOP 4 already. Remember when fans were unhappy when we finished 19pts off City? Well, now with Ole in charge it's very likely we will finish 30 points off TOP 4. If we played a decent football while creating chances to score you could argue that maybe, just maybe he can turn it around. However during his tenure here he has showed absolutely nothing and we are worse right now than when he took over. So my thinking is - get rid as it's simply can not go on anymore, get an interim in and for feck sakes, DO NOT OFFER A PERMANENT JOB BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON. Then make a decision in the summer. Keeping Ole in charge is basically giving up at this point.Genuine question, if we sacked Solskjaer and replaced him with Rodgers, would we be in the top four at the end of the season with our squad? I can see why people want Solskjaer out, but I do worry if we get a new manager in and don’t change the set up he has to work with we won’t be massively better off.
United without De Gea and Pogba is just relegation quality. Would prefer Leicester squad.
That’s true actually, it would be fairier if he had a season.He wouldn’t get top 4 now since we are 10 points off it but if Rodgers was here and Ole there we would finish ahead of them and if had a whole season I think we’d squeeze top 4
Jonny Evans is not a spectacular, eye catching CB but is a very steadying influence on everyone around him. Soyunco has credited him with helping his game get better. We got him for 4 mill when W Brom got relegated and he has been a steal.I remember a few Leicester fans saying on here that we bought the worse defender of their CB pair and that Evans was better, and they got mocked on here and called WUMs.
Doesn't look like they were WUMing.
Okay but given a full season do you think Rodgers would get top 4 with our squad?I think we are in a situation where Ole simply cannot continue anymore unless our target is top half of the table. We are 11 games in and 10 points off TOP 4 already. Remember when fans were unhappy when we finished 19pts off City? Well, now with Ole in charge it's very likely we will finish 30 points off TOP 4. If we played a decent football while creating chances to score you could argue that maybe, just maybe he can turn it around. However during his tenure here he has showed absolutely nothing and we are worse right now than when he took over. So my thinking is - get rid as it's simply can not go on anymore, get an interim in and for feck sakes, DO NOT OFFER A PERMANENT JOB BEFORE THE END OF THE SEASON. Then make a decision in the summer. Keeping Ole in charge is basically giving up at this point.
I mean that's just not true and plenty of people didn't want Evans sold. He showed plenty of signs of being good enough for us and there's nothing to suggest Evans at 29 years old would've "crumbled" like you say he did when he was here when he was younger.Have you forgotten that Evans used to play for us and crumbled under the pressure of being a senior centre back, played like crap and was sold because of it?
No, VVD's an excellent center back. Laporte's an excellent center back. Maguire's... good, a minor, incredibly expensive upgrade on what we already had.Maguire’s an excellent centre back. He’s just in come into a team in the dumps. He’s been one of the better ones
Yes.Okay but given a full season do you think Rodgers would get top 4 with our squad?
I bet Rodgers would be licking his lips at our squad if fans really think that, it would take him about 4-5 games to start getting loads more out of our lot, and we start seeing the clubs go in different directions.
I am not an Ole basher, but it is so blatantly obvious that Rodgers is getting way more from his players than Ole is, the quality of the two squads is not much different, it's just Rodgers has his playing to the absolute maximum they're capable of, whilst we're left been told we need to give Ole years before he can be expected to do that with ours.
Fair enough, I hope you’re right since Solskjaer likely won’t be here for too long given the results.Yes.
Yes.
And you are underrating.then you are overrating our players so much.
I mean that's just not true and plenty of people didn't want Evans sold. He showed plenty of signs of being good enough for us and there's nothing to suggest Evans at 29 years old would've "crumbled" like you say he did when he was here when he was younger.
No, VVD's an excellent center back. Laporte's an excellent center back. Maguire's... good, a minor, incredibly expensive upgrade on what we already had.
We bought Leicester’s best defender for a record fee yet they look better and we look worse. Are team isn’t great but you are underrating them it’s top 6 sidethen you are overrating our players so much.
Why are we struggling though, in your view? If it's not that the managers not good enough, what is it?
He’s a serious upgrade on what we had. Comparison with Laporte is tough, when we lose or at best draw if we concede a single goal. With City’s possession I’d look a decent centre back for themNo, VVD's an excellent center back. Laporte's an excellent center back. Maguire's... good, a minor, incredibly expensive upgrade on what we already had.
you bought the one with the most hype and the better footballer but not the best defenderWe bought Leicester’s best defender for a record fee yet they look better and we look worse. Are team isn’t great but you are underrating them it’s top 6 side
He had a poor year under LvG like many others but he's arguably more proven at the top level than Maguire is and has been better for Leicester than Maguire was and is better than Maguire so far this season so really.. what's so outlandish about what I said considering Maguire has been largely underwhelming since he came here himself?He crumbled because the going got tough and he went hiding. After Fergie retired his form went down the toilet especially after Rio and Vida left and he was LVG’s ‘no 1 CB’. Look at the thread from when he left, the majority realised he wasn’t good enough and wished him well on his journey.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/jonny-evans-west-brom-player.408682/
Ok I still think it is better than Evans but I agree to disagree. Would you agree as a Leicester fan that our teams shouldn’t be 10 points apart and that is down to the manager(though I think your team is slightly better).you bought the one with the most hype and the better footballer but not the best defender
I really would like to know who in our starting 11 would get in Leicester starting 11. You can not name De Gea and Pogba.
He really isn't but whatever you think.He’s a serious upgrade on what we had. Comparison with Laporte is tough, when we lose or at best draw if we concede a single goal. With City’s possession I’d look a decent centre back for them
And you are underrating.
given the way you're playing we should be 6 points further apart then we are, we completely messed it up at your placeOk I still think it is better than Evans but I agree to disagree. Would you agree as a Leicester fan that our teams shouldn’t be 10 points apart and that is down to the manager(though I think your team is slightly better).