And it seems like someone from Adidas runs his Instagram account.
Brands: JLINGZ, JJO, Fierce, AM9, JM8, Paul Pogba Collection
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And it seems like someone from Adidas runs his Instagram account.
I think so too. Nothing wrong with Pogba's brand stuff in my opinion, part an parcel of being a highly popular footballer. We've had players doing that sort of stuff since Best.
Wrong.
Mismanagement and incompetence at board level is why we are so shit... Players don't go out on the pitch aiming to be shit, they just ain't good enough for the level we as fans hold the club to.
I for one ain't bothered what they do in their free time as I have previously stated I doubt they have any or very little input here anyhow.
What I don't understand the "it is a short career argument"
Back in the 80's/90's I would have understood that as wages were a lot less and after football they slid off into bankruptcy fairly often but these days? They are multi millionaires before the age of 21 so it ain't like they rely on the extra income but it is their choice and they are free to make it.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I firmly believe that elite athletes get to where they are through total focus, determination and zealot-like dedication.
I've no problem with players diversifying their financial interests but I just can't understand or get on-board with the mentality of someone like Jesse Lingard or Anthony Martial who think people care enough about 'them' to buy an item of clothing just because it's their clothing range.
Your Lebron James example doesn't work because we've virtually all agreed there's nothing wrong with players diversifying once they have achieved excellence in their field and are looking past their retirement e.g. Beckham, Ronaldo etc...
I live in fecking Stretford. I can see Old Trafford from my bedroom window.
I don't think there's a problem with players doing this, since they're probably not in control, the problem is the bunch of "business people" that gather around and lead them to this ventures, for that people (maybe friends, family, or indecent businessman, who knows) their priority is to milk as much money from the players as they can, and that usually goes against every right decision that should be made having their club in mind, too much individuality and "everyone for himself" in a dressing room isn't a good combination.
Some other players like Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra, or Pogba probably have the experience and maturity to deal with bad influences and know which steps are the right ones, in part because they probably were fleeced by some con-man in the past and learnt from it.
I don't want to judge Martial, Lingard or Lukaku on a personal level, but, as a whole, a bunch of young players involved in those ventures might burn some of them down, and distract them from their job.
Jesé, Balo or Icardi are some of the players that have lost a better career by focusing too much on their product side, instead of their job.
Some other players like Suarez, Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra, or Pogba probably have the experience and maturity to deal with bad influences and know which steps are the right ones, in part because they probably were fleeced by some con-man in the past and learnt from it.
I don't want to judge Martial, Lingard or Lukaku on a personal level, but, as a whole, a bunch of young players involved in those ventures might burn some of them down, and distract them from their job.
Jesé, Balo or Icardi are some of the players that have lost a better career by focusing too much on their product side, instead of their job.
What?!
First of all, you tell me to ‘eat shit’. Then you call me ‘dim-witted’ and ‘low-life’ and ultimately a racist. And that is how you speak to me about having the moral high ground. Come off of it.
These young men make millions of pounds every year, there is zero need for them to spend time and focus on designing clothes or perfume, it’s just vanity.
You mention lebron James, the man is one of the best basketball players ever, he has earned the right to do these things. The same goes for Messi or Ronaldo.
Alexis Sanchez earns 400-500 grand a week, but has the gall and clear lack of focus to flaunt this perfume ad to the world when he’s being outplayed by championship players.
Lukaku and martials running stats! Jesus. Fergie would have chucked these lads out instantly. Lingard reminds me of a worse version of lee sharpe and Fergie had zero time for him.
We’re a shambles, and the sooner fans realise half our players are living in cloud cuckoo land the better.
Most importantly, my comments have nothing to do with these players colour and I am reporting you for implying that I’m racist. If I was a Leicester fan I’d be shaking my head at Christian Fuchs as well.
How do we all feel about these? Are they the epitome of everything that's wrong with our club? Or are they a healthy interest outside of football?
JLINGZ
Jesse Lingard's clothing line. Launched in December of 2018 after we battered Fulham at home and just before the game against Liverpool. Did he time the launch to get maximum exposure? Knowing United vs Liverpool is world wide news? Should he have been focused on the game instead of having a clothing line distraction going on in the background? Let's see what Gary Neville and Roy Keane think:
My burning question is who is the target audience? It's not rival fans, it's not United fans and no school kid is running around a play ground wanting to be the next Jesse Lingard...
https://jlingz.com/
JJO
Alexis Sanchez clothing brand. Launched after the 3-2 away defeat to Brighton, a game in which Sanchez himself did not play due to injury. Sanchez later deleted the Tweets promoting the brand after a huge fan backlash questioning his commitment to the team and the timing of the launch.
Fierce
Romelu Lukaku's limited edition cologne, available at Abercrombie and Fitch. Released April 29th after the 4-0 away defeat to Everton and draw to Chelsea, effectively ending United's chance for a top 4 finish. Currently still advertised on his Twitter feed but has come in for a torrent of abuse from fans. Comments such as:
"Does each spray only last for 20 mins before running out of strength and fading completely??"
AM9
Anthony Martial's brand name, release just before Zlatan arrived and he became AM11, which apparently upset him to no end. The brand was also released with a website that tracks all Martial's stats for club and country, a live CV if you will, very much focused on the Frenchman and his achievements.
You can also buy phone cases peripherals with AM9 branding on them.
JM8
Perhaps more innocent than the rest, Juan Mata keeps a blog on his personal website about his trails and tribulations as a footballing millionaire. To be fair to Mata, he uses his position to try and change the world for good and shed awareness on important ventures. Mata also started a charity that gives up 1% of his (and other footballers who sign up) salary to people in need.
https://juanmata8.com/en/
Paul Pogba Adidas Collection
One of many of Paul Pogba's promotional campaigns regarding one of his sponsors. Adidas now have a Pogba inspired clothing line, with more on the way. To be fair, a World Cup winner will always sell things, especially in France.
https://www.adidas.com/us/paul_pogba
I'm not sure how others feel but for me, we have a group of players who think they've made it and use United as a platform for their own personal interests. They're either poorly advised or they believe their own hype.
My own reply to Lukaku:
*Edit/Update --- Honourable mentions
#TC23
The man, the myth, the legend. Tom Cleverly set up the TC23 brand during an injury lay off after playing a mere 5 games for the United first team.
Tom came in for an abundance of stick which saw him leave Twitter and shut the brand down in the end.
Tom says he did it for charity and had no desire to pursue the branding until later in his career, a career that never developed into what it promised to be at the beginning.
Interestingly, the TC23 website is now gone and redirects to a Japanese porn site when you try to visit it. You've been warned but I have no doubt some of you will still try...
Here's an article regarding the branding and how it was received back in 2012: http://therepublikofmancunia.com/tom-cleverley-the-brand/
Jess Lingard's 'brand' is more than a bit embarrassing. For one he looks like a bit of a dickhead along with the other chap in the publicity for it - and no, I don't dislike him - and most importantly, brands depend on successful associations. As Jess hasn't done much in that way for the past few seasons, I doubt anybody sees his clothing line and wants to be associated with it because of his performance on the pitch.
Lukaka's cologne is more understandable. It's not so patently over-ambitious as a clothing line and he's trying to establish himself at United.
I don't begrudge Pogba his Adidas clothing line - he's one of their biggest names and unlike Jess Lingard he's a well-acknowledged winner. Including an inspiring World Cup champion. He has well defined associations of success.
Anthony Martial needs to understand that having his own brand means nowt without some genuine identifying qualities of success. I actually like the lad and think he could do much better under Ole.
Juan Mata's fine. I don't understand the sniping at him that goes on among some caf members. As for Tom Cleverly - Tom who? Again, I have nothing against Tom and I thought the media going off at him because he was at a dance club after England lost a crucial game and went home was just petty. However, what has he achieved to have his own brand?
As for Sanchez - he should be the poster boy for a new cologne/clothing/accessory line that is called 'Underachieving Mercenary.'
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Right, it’s not like they’re any part of the reason the club is going through a bad time. As the actual players who play on the pitch they’re giving their all and doing a fantastic job. It’s all the managers and boards fault
Enough experience to know you're completely talking out the side of your neck. A £45 hoodie high end? Clueless.State of this.
Come on then expert, what experience do you have?
We've established that you know nothing about market research nor statistically relevant sample sizes. Stick to web development in Denmark or whatever it is you do.
I never said anyone made a conscious decision to target them b/c of their race. In fact, I think most of it largely subconscious. I also don't view it as racism, just plain old idiocy from xenophobic sports fans. So I'm not sorry that one sentence triggered you, but ultimately I'm not surprised given your general cluelessness throughout this thread. "North American's" (whatever the hell that distinction means since Canada and the US are very different attitudes towards race) aren't focused on race it's just a larger part of the history of the US, so people are more aware. But again I'm not sorry you are triggered. That's your issue.
If you don't care about them that's your prerogative, but there are kids and others who look up to them. If they believe there is a market for their clothes why can't they pursue that business interest?
One of the reasons famous people start clothing lines is b/c in the apparel industry one of the largest costs is marketing. The cost per acquisition of a customer can be extremely high b/c of the competition, but if you are famous with a lot of social media followers, your cost per acquisition (of a customer) should be much lower. Not saying I would do it, or it's a winning strategy, but there is strategy behind the thinking. This is the same reason why Nike, Adidas, UnderArmor sponsor individual athletes.
Lebron James actually diversified before he "achieved excellence" in basketball. He formed is sports marketing company a after coming to the NBA.
I'm fed up of footballers launching fashion brands, why not something more useful and practical?
Jesse Lingard endorsed De-icer
Alexis Sanchez brands of dog food.
Martial's motor oil.
Jesse Lingard endorsed De-icer
Alexis Sanchez brands of dog food.
Martial's motor oil.
It was problematic in terms of perception. Sir Alex quite reasonably didn't want one of his key players to be spending so much energy running off to Europe and around the UK for photo-shoots etc as he was a footballer first, model second.
It was also an issue of media attention - you can't complain of media intrusion as Becks and Victoria did when you re-invented your image after the World Cup debacle in France with the encouragement of your partner and that meant pushing yourself as a brand in tandem with your pop star partner. Becks also did photo sessions outside of the UK where he unauthorisedly used the England shirt for his own personal enrichment in product promotion - it's just the FA was too weak to haul him over the coals for it as he was St Beckham, English Captain at the time.
However, unlike all of the players pictured Becks had the character to continually produce on the pitch and keep his disagreements with Alex Ferguson muted until he wanted to go to Real Madrid and then had his publicists leaking stuff.
No, it's called diversifying your business interests (whether you think it's a wise investment or not).
It's called understanding that a career of footballer is short and they should have other sustainable revenue streams by the time they retire.
It's called understanding that they are marketable and have a social media reach that can be monetized.
Lebron James started is sports marketing company a year or so after he entered the NBA, but that is moot. Who are we to tell someone when they can have business interests outside of football until we think they are good enough? Sports fans are truly deluded.
I actually never implied you are a racist. Reread my post again. I just expressed that I wasn't surprised that the criticism was largely target towards young, rich minorities.
I apologize for telling you to eat shit, but I'm definitely not sorry you're triggered.
Must be difficult going through life being obsessed about the personal lives of footballers...
Doesn't Pogba have a brand of vodka or something out in France? Sure I saw that he'd brought something out there a few years ago.
Absolutely. I love American basketball and Lebron James' story is absolutely inspiring. From a single parent family, moved from place to place in low income neighbourhoods, no Dad around, got into basketball but was good at other sports, found his niche playing school basketball, made his way to the very top through a combination of nature's physical gifts and a dedicated mum plus his own drive.
He has less championship rings than Jordan but his record is nearly as good with 3 rings and other achievements too numerous to list, and in fact he has always made his teams over-achieve. He brought Cleveland its only title and has always been the bane of other teams.
Some think he is the GOAT of NBA. I agree.
James was a phenomenon the first time he played an NBA game and he is a great example of a professional sportsman in charge of his own destiny. He has always been in demand and has the outstanding record of continual excellence. And he has continually voiced his desire for other African American and minority pro sportspeople/entertainers etc to take control of their own financial destinies.
James' charitable enterprises are legendary in Akron his birthplace and other areas of Cleveland. Especially for but not only for minorities. He's never played for Boston Celtics but I love and respect this man.
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It be weird if he did since he more than likely does not drink.
No because I don't do a job that requires total dedication like theirs should. It's just not comparable for myriad reasons. Every player should aim to be as dedicated to their craft as CR9.
How many average to good players at other clubs have as many "brands". It would be interesting to know.
The point is, you become a world class athlete first, THEN you make your branding because everyone knows who you are, everyone knows that you stand for greatness, success, dedication, blah blah blah and you're proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Jordan, Woods, CR9... If you're a fecking chancer who's stealing a living at Manchester United, you should wind your neck in.
If they had any shame they'd be embarrassed to be so shit yet trying to promote themselves as a brand. Success first, brand later. Most of this lot have been badly advised imo.
They have a short career, precisely why they don't need to be doing anything else outside of it. They'll have the rest of their lives and mountains of cash to do whatever the feck they want to do when they retire.
Being a premier athlete is about focus and dedication. Even 1% loss is enough to tip the balance out of your favour. This lot remind me of the fecking spice boys from Liverpool. And what did they win?
1) ex-footballers weren't really paid anywhere near the sums they are today.
2) players get a lot more support regarding finances, finance managers are employed nowadays far more than else.
3) the sums they earn now, they can be set for life. Making a clothing brand that will probably be disbanded inside 24 months having made a small loss isn't going to "see them into retirement".
4) If they don't spend idiotic amounts of money and expect to be able to do that when they stop earning the same amount of money, then I hope they go bankrupt.
5) it's about using your profile which you only have through being a United player that gets you the platform to create a crap clothing line. No one cares about Lössl creating a sneaker, because he plays for Huddersfield. They are using United, if they played for Sociedad no one would notice or care and they'd have a small etsy shop because it was a hobby.
You might be used to being ripped off, most of us don't pay £45 for a hoodie.
We've also established you have zero experience outside of your American bubble. Stick to basketball.
Not triggered, not even bothered what a stranger on the internet thinks.
I've not even bothered read that last paragraph, it's a waste of my time to read something that someone has assumed without basis in an attempt to derail a thread and make it all about them and their issues. All I will say is that the fact you jumped to this being a race issue as your first port of call says more about you than anyone else in here.
Again, not in the slightest bit obsessed with anything, that's your assumption.
He is a world cup winner, kind of understandable really.
What have they earned? They've committed most of their lives to working towards carving out a professional career, and their families have sacrificed a lot as well. Its anything but luck that they are playing for the biggest club on earth. Let them create their brands, its their life not yours. Hate on them all you want, but the club is paying them those figures, the coaches and managers are selecting them, even their national teams. They can do whatever the feck they want
You guys are acting like these player's lives revolve around football. I can't understand grown men hating on other grown men for their business ventures outside their professional careers. You can blame the players for whats going on at the club, but we've had 5 managers since Fergie, and we have an incompetent board and CEO, the blame is not solely on the players. I don't give a shit what they do outside football, its their life not mine, and good for them I say.
People forget how hard it is to make it at a club like Manchester United. People need to look up and see what players who were on Pogba and Lingard's youth cup winning team are up to now.
This. A plethora of youth players who were 'destined' for greatness over the last decade are not even playing top flight football right now, so even making it at a bottom premier league side takes a lot.
Why should it? I assume because they make a lot of money? What constitutes total dedication? They honour the contract that their given and technically 'totally' dedicate themselves to that. What they do out of that contract does not break their dedication to it.
Football is a short career so from a business perspective it makes sense on players using their profile to market products.
The key word is "profile" if they are underperforming ultimately they will be moved on, this will undoubtedly upset the value on their respective businesses (especially materialistic goods).
It's no different to how the club will lose new younger fans over the next 5 years if we cannot ascertain any success on the field.
The key word is "profile" if they are underperforming ultimately they will be moved on, this will undoubtedly upset the value on their respective businesses (especially materialistic goods).
It's no different to how the club will lose new younger fans over the next 5 years if we cannot ascertain any success on the field.
And they can be criticised for it. The cringe level of Jesse Lingard is off the charts. A nothing player, who gives nothing on the pitch. Lingard is more concearned with his brand. He’s a social media personality that happens to be in the united dressing room instead of being a united player that happens to have a social media account.
People act like fecking idiots, they get called out for it. The fact he’s not even performing for us underlines the fact he’s not good enough, and worse he’s not interested in being good enough. They all get paid to play football and entertain the paying masses. They get paid to do that, and we pay to watch. We don’t pay to watch a bunch of cnuts suck on the likes of social media platforms and jerk themselves off about how fantastic they are. If Lingard or anyone else wants to be beckham, or ronaldo the first fecking thing is to do the work on the pitch. Ronny looks every bit the knob Lingard does, the difference is he gives his all on the pitch. Lingard does that, no one gives a feck what else he does.
Do match going fans not deserve the best efforts of the players the pay to see? What about all the sky subscriptions? Do we pay for sky movies to watch brad Pitt mumbling through his dialogue in fight club looking disinterested? No, we do not. So why in the sweet feck would or should we pay to watch millionaires fanny about for 90 minutes? Imagine travelling around Europe watching these cnuts jog around not caring? Earned it? They only thing they’ve earned is ridicule that comes with being shit. And trying to pass yourself off as ronaldo, when you have all the footballing ability of a wank sock is always going to draw the wrong kind of attention.
Not hating on anyone. They’re professionals on mega money contracted to an elite sports team. Yet we’re here questioning wether some of these guys are trying hard enough. Playing in league 1 in front of 3k fans the bare minimum is to give your all, yet at Manchester United we’ve got players who can’t be bothered to track back.
It’s definitely not solely on the players but they have to take a certain amount of responsibility for their performances. I want Manchester United to do well as much as anyone but I just don’t see it happening with these players
Can you honestly say they have lived up to their contract? If doing the bare minimum is all that’s required then we deserve to become the relegation fodder we appear destined to be.
It's cringey.
Jlingz. Tc23. They'd be out of business in a few year. They believe their own hype. Their product only relies on their brand. Nobody in their right mind would buy jlingz or tc23 for an inflated price. Some die hard teenage fans here and there perhaps.
Jlingz. Tc23. They'd be out of business in a few year. They believe their own hype. Their product only relies on their brand. Nobody in their right mind would buy jlingz or tc23 for an inflated price. Some die hard teenage fans here and there perhaps.
I really do not think you can question Lingard's effort on the pitch. You ca definitely question his quality but, not his effort.
They’re contracted to train, play and commit to certain media. They do that. I assume they have bonuses for assists and goals etc, if they don’t achieve it then they don’t get bonuses. If the CL contract thing is true then they’ll be docked some money for that. To my knowledge no United player this season has breached the terms of their contract.
You give a player a bigger or better contract as a reward but they have no obligation to play amazingly, it’s just morally questionable. I do not think that players such as Rashford and Lingard aren’t trying though.
That's total bullshit, you don't know his level of concern unless you can see what's in his mind. He didn't just hop into the United dressing room, he was rewarded that privilege after years of hard work. Lingard has been a part of United since he was 7. Do you know his journey and what he had to go through to break into the first team? You can criticize his efforts on the pitch all day, but that has nothing to do with his personal and business life which he is entitled to and again which he has earned.
Sounds like pure hatred and jealousy. Do you know his following? What does any of this have to do with with anything? Sounds like you're hoping he fails.
Bullshit, utter bullshit. I don’t need see inside a guys head. I can see his level of commitment in his actions. Ya know, with my eyes!
I think they're implying the perception this kind of behaviour brings. Sometimes it's not what it is that's important, it's what it looks like it is that takes priority.